Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[SerialChiller]

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It will forever and always be…..FUXK Paul Pierce!!!!

Man I hate PP so much hahaha what a tool

[MettaWorldPanda]

Yep it’s just going to depend on who’s willing to step up to the plate. The teams that would worry me are the Net Spurs and Knicks. They have expirings and picks

Yup you nailed the big 3. Would you be willing to trade Herro and Martin for Dinwiddie, DFS, and pick?

I would definitely think about it. Would we still be sending out Lowry and pick(s) elsewhere for another upgrade? Does this put us in different conversations for a higher level star with the additional picks and expirings now? That would give us Lowry/Dinwiddie expirings and at least 4 1sts to trade

Yup this is exactly the line of thinking i just don’t think this is the organization’s style though. I’m not going to think too much about this. Riley is a softy when it comes to Tyler “smokin” Herro

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Herro’s value to Riley is a lot more than what the league is going to give. Hornets don’t want his salary and neither do the Hawks or else why would they be looking to dump better players making even less? BK could be a possibility but is Riley willing to say Herro was a mistake and cash him in for expiring's like Dinwiddie and fillers? Or maybe DFS as the other piece? That’s pretty much what were looking at

I do see Brooklyn as a good future fit if we need to reroute Herro for additional assets. That’s if they don’t buy in to Cam Thomas who is basically Herro but 2 years younger

Nets have always been the logical landing spot for Herro. I would be shocked though if Riley does something drastic like this for his boy wonder. I think he’s more likely to ask Butler if he wants to be traded next year and they reboot around the kids.

I hope he retires here but there are some good landing spots for Jimmy

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yup you nailed the big 3. Would you be willing to trade Herro and Martin for Dinwiddie, DFS, and pick?

I would definitely think about it. Would we still be sending out Lowry and pick(s) elsewhere for another upgrade? Does this put us in different conversations for a higher level star with the additional picks and expirings now? That would give us Lowry/Dinwiddie expirings and at least 4 1sts to trade

Yup this is exactly the line of thinking i just don’t think this is the organization’s style though. I’m not going to think too much about this. Riley is a softy when it comes to Tyler “smokin” Herro

Imagine

Mitchell
Duncan
Jimmy
DFS
Bam

That would be insane lol.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m not advocating for a Jimmy trade by any means, like I said I want him to retire here but if both sides did decide it was best to send him somewhere like Denver or something to win a championship the assets we would get back would make the transition into the “Bams friends power of friendship era” a lot easier. We’d have more ammo to snag Mitchell and then it’s on Mitchell and Bam to convince Tatum, Fox, or whoever to come along.

[twix2500]

Basketball-Reference Offensive Ratings

Kyle Lowry = 117
Tyler Herro = 106
Jimmy Butler = 127
Jaquez Jr = 115
Adebayo = 114
Robinson = 118

[MettaWorldPanda]

I do see Brooklyn as a good future fit if we need to reroute Herro for additional assets. That’s if they don’t buy in to Cam Thomas who is basically Herro but 2 years younger

Nets have always been the logical landing spot for Herro. I would be shocked though if Riley does something drastic like this for his boy wonder. I think he’s more likely to ask Butler if he wants to be traded next year and they reboot around the kids.

I hope he retires here but there are some good landing spots for Jimmy

Butler will be going into his age 35 year next year with his 52 mil player option looming. After Lowry is dealt and if we come up short again this year who knows what happens next year. I just don’t think Herro is getting traded being that he’s only 23 and we have alot more time to figure it out with him along the younger core. When Herro is 25 Butler will be 37 heading into his washed years. We won’t be thinking about Herro’s fit with Butler.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I would definitely think about it. Would we still be sending out Lowry and pick(s) elsewhere for another upgrade? Does this put us in different conversations for a higher level star with the additional picks and expirings now? That would give us Lowry/Dinwiddie expirings and at least 4 1sts to trade

Yup this is exactly the line of thinking i just don’t think this is the organization’s style though. I’m not going to think too much about this. Riley is a softy when it comes to Tyler “smokin” Herro

Imagine

Mitchell
Duncan
Jimmy
DFS
Bam

That would be insane lol.

Mitchell is the only feasible player that Herro gets dealt for but who knows if Cavs even interested in Herro. Maybe with Butler coming off the books somehow we can sign him as a free agent. If Butler opts out maybe they can get creative and stretch Butler’s contract out

[MettaWorldPanda]

Butler has a 52 million player option when Mitchell becomes a free agent. Duncan’s contract also has the 9 million buyout. That might be the most realistic way of getting Mitchell.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I’m not advocating for a Jimmy trade by any means, like I said I want him to retire here but if both sides did decide it was best to send him somewhere like Denver or something to win a championship the assets we would get back would make the transition into the “Bams friends power of friendship era” a lot easier. We’d have more ammo to snag Mitchell and then it’s on Mitchell and Bam to convince Tatum, Fox, or whoever to come along.

Yeah and we have JJJ ready to step into the SF role. They’ll be buzz in the offseason. I mean we are the same franchise that let our GOAT head to Chicago when we got middle aged. Butler essentially was the one who forced us to sign his old buddy Lowry for bloated money. Something that was a slap in the face to the way we handled Wade. I could understand Riley’s basketball move when it came to not paying an aging Wade bloated money but why not the same sense with Craptors Lowry. Damn

[al bondiga]

It shows what kind of person and player Paul Pierce is and was... Second-rate man. How can you feud In retirement
With u.d ... Who was just a limited power forward, Who built himself up a lot and exceeded expectations?

so Paul is Telling us... his a loser ...UD is a winner In basketball and in life... clear class and intelligence difference

[MettaWorldPanda]

We have to be very careful not being super competitive in 25 because of OKC. We want the top 14 protected pick to convey in 25 so we are not giving OKC a potential lottery pick in 26. Likely hood of Butler getting dealt next year is extremely low. We’ll ask him to work with us with his 26 player opt.

[twix2500]

Basketball-Reference Offensive Ratings 2023-24

Kyle Lowry = 117
Tyler Herro = 106
Jimmy Butler = 127
Jaquez Jr = 115
Adebayo = 114
Robinson = 118

Basketball-Reference Offensive Ratings 2023-24

Dejonte Murray = 115
D'Angelo Russell= 115
Terry Rozier = 118
Spencer Dinwiddie =119
Kris Dunn = 117
Collin Sexton = 124

[al bondiga]

Guys, ratings and stats don't mean much, Don't play the stupid game
Of numbers

By the way, I know why Everyone calls us A bandwagon fan base... We are supposed to hate Robinson half a year ago.
And now we love him?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Duncan will be making 19.4 (30) and 19.8–9.9 guaranteed (31) in the upcoming years. As we start hitting this teams second phase it makes more sense to try and free up his money then it is to deal a 23 year old Herro. It’s going to be time soon to start thinking about the second phase build.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Nets have always been the logical landing spot for Herro. I would be shocked though if Riley does something drastic like this for his boy wonder. I think he’s more likely to ask Butler if he wants to be traded next year and they reboot around the kids.

I hope he retires here but there are some good landing spots for Jimmy

Butler will be going into his age 35 year next year with his 52 mil player option looming. After Lowry is dealt and if we come up short again this year who knows what happens next year. I just don’t think Herro is getting traded being that he’s only 23 and we have alot more time to figure it out with him along the younger core. When Herro is 25 Butler will be 37 heading into his washed years. We won’t be thinking about Herro’s fit with Butler.

Herros 24th birthday was yesterday brother!!!

The great Miami Heat account admin just tried to push him to the all star game for the first time yesterday knowing he’s missed half the season, meanwhile they haven’t pushed for Bam who just feel behind KP in the fan vote lol. If I’ll give Boston credit for anything it’s gassing their players up

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yup this is exactly the line of thinking i just don’t think this is the organization’s style though. I’m not going to think too much about this. Riley is a softy when it comes to Tyler “smokin” Herro

Imagine

Mitchell
Duncan
Jimmy
DFS
Bam

That would be insane lol.

Mitchell is the only feasible player that Herro gets dealt for but who knows if Cavs even interested in Herro. Maybe with Butler coming off the books somehow we can sign him as a free agent. If Butler opts out maybe they can get creative and stretch Butler’s contract out

There are worse alternatives for the Cavs than getting Herro and 2-3 1sts tbh

[MettaWorldPanda]

Looking at Duncan’s salary figure and it’s kind of mind numbing when i hear comments like Duncan is earning his money when i see a DJM and Rozier making between 18-24 lol. Yes Duncan is having a great year but for what he brings compared to those two should only be making 10-12 million tops. Duncan makes more than Strus and tbh i would rather have Strus. It’s all feels with Duncan. Feel good story of the year and i’m proud of him. Just think his salary figure is a bit of a crutch and worth overinflated. Nobody was talking about Duncan’s worth or fit last year when he was parked on the bench while Strus was earning his deal.

[twix2500]

Guys, ratings and stats don't mean much, Don't play the stupid game
Of numbers

By the way, I know why Everyone calls us A bandwagon fan base... We are supposed to hate Robinson half a year ago.
And now we love him?

Josh Richardson = 114 OffRtg

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Looking at Duncan’s salary figure and it’s kind of mind numbing when i hear comments like Duncan is earning his money when i see a DJM and Rozier making between 18-24 lol. Yes Duncan is having a great year but for what he brings compared to those two should only be making 10-12 million tops. Duncan makes more than Strus and tbh i would rather have Strus. It’s all feels with Duncan. Feel good story of the year and i’m proud of him. Just think his salary figure is a bit of a crutch and worth overinflated. Nobody was talking about Duncan’s worth or fit last year when he was parked on the bench while Strus was earning his deal.

But from that standpoint then what is Herro worth? Duncan’s current contract or less?