Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread

Mars · Post #941 » by **Mars** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:34 am

A healthy, fit, fully engaged Wade is the equivalent of an impact off-season signing.

CablexDeadpool · Post #942 » by **CablexDeadpool** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:25 am

Pure_Basketball wrote:They're cheap for a reason, stats show that about 5% or less pan out to be in the NBA for longer than 2 years. Vets can be had for the veteran minimum, which is anywhere from 1 milllion to 1.5 million. They can actually help us compete for the title this year, and whilst I think Lebron will stay, winning a title potentially could be the difference in him staying or going.

And Danny Creen is a second round pick that almost won the FMVP. And most Basketball players don't stay in the league long it's a 15 man roster. And 2nd round picks aren't guaranteed so they are easy to cut.

Point is the Heat tied up all their money in Haslem, Mike Miller and Joel Anthony...players that rarely play. Pretty much paying them show up 10 games out of the season.

Then you have Ray Allen and Shane Battier that played a lot.

Then the Heat has James Jones and Varnado that easily can do what Joel Anthony and Mike Miller does for millions less.

You act like a vet is gonna put the Heat over the top when the only thing that put the Heat over the top is Lebron. Take Lebron out and the Heat are probably a 2nd round exit team at best. The roster is pure nepotism,most of these guys wouldn't even have jobs or paid as much as they are if it wasn't for Miami.

Truth is, most free agents outside of Lebron and Bosh seem to not want to come to Miami, nobody is knocking on the Miami Heat doors, nobody wants to take a pay cut and it probably has do with the nepotism, the lack of money, the strict offensive and defensive system and the fact it is pretty much a retirement home for players over 32.

weouthere · Post #943 » by **weouthere** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:21 am

MartyCONLONNN wrote:^ There's not really any moves to make... try and sign Odom or Oden. It's going to take Haslem a while to get back to consistent playing after surgery, especially since he's already so inconsistent and on the downswing. That being said, I'm surprised so many people on here are still crying about another center when a clearer need is a 4 so we don't overplay Battier & Bron there throughout the regular season.. preferably a versatile one that can play D, rebound and do a little of everything on offense.

That's why I wanted Kirilenko.. but anyways I'd be ecstatic if we pulled both of those guys into the family, though I could easily see us missing out on both. Our squad now with Birdman for a full season is definitely good enough either way!

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Cloud765 · Post #944 » by **Cloud765** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:09 am

Mars wrote:A healthy, fit, fully engaged Wade is the equivalent of an impact off-season signing.

Agree! Let's hope we get Wade in an 09'-esque prove-people-wrong mode :pray:

ReturnofMVP3 · Post #945 » by **ReturnofMVP3** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:13 am

Antwan Jamieson off the bench for Bosh? He could be everything we wanted Reshard to be :lol:

Pure_Basketball · Post #946 » by **Pure_Basketball** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:27 am

ReturnofMVP3 wrote:Antwan Jamieson off the bench for Bosh? He could be everything we wanted Reshard to be

But 95% chance he's Lewis 2.0... Do not want.

BIRDMAN BIRDMAN · Post #947 » by **BIRDMAN BIRDMAN** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:08 am

Anyone here imagining a bigger role for Rashard next season?

I mean, he didn't exactly live to most expectations last season obviously, but in his defense, last year was basically his shaking off rust year. I still feel he could be somewhat a decent contributor for us and not some guy who just warms the bench.

RexBoyWonder · Post #948 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:58 am

^ Hopefully Lewis can bounce back some.

Out problem is that Miller, Battier, Lewis, JJ are all basically the same player : shooters that can't create for themselfs and arn't big and strong enough to really play the PF spot against quality big players.

What we need is a power player that likes to bang, we need more diversity and balance in this roster.

Mugiwara · Post #949 » by **Mugiwara** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:58 am

Cloud765 wrote:
Mars wrote:A healthy, fit, fully engaged Wade is the equivalent of an impact off-season signing.

Agree! Let's hope we get Wade in an 09'-esque prove-people-wrong mode

we get that and it's ova'

Zasterror · Post #950 » by **Zasterror** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:54 pm

Mars wrote:A healthy, fit, fully engaged Wade is the equivalent of an impact off-season signing.

This.
If Wade has relatively healthy season (72+ games played) and is healthy by the time of the Playoffs, then no team has a chance.

orangeparka · Post #951 » by **orangeparka** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:35 pm

Man, I know we've been spoiled the past couple of offseasons with Battier and Allen, but I'm really going to be disappointed if we don't get either Dalembert, Oden or some impact player with our MMLE.

fast-break · Post #952 » by **fast-break** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:52 pm

Zasterror wrote:
Mars wrote:A healthy, fit, fully engaged Wade is the equivalent of an impact off-season signing.

This.
If Wade has relatively healthy season (72+ games played) and is healthy by the time of the Playoffs, then no team has a chance.

Those are the same big IF's we've heard for the past 2 years...

No surgery this off season...and he'll be a year older. I'm not sure a 10lb drop can cure being injury prone.

DWadeno3 · Post #953 » by **DWadeno3** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:17 pm

fast-break wrote:
Zasterror wrote:
Mars wrote:A healthy, fit, fully engaged Wade is the equivalent of an impact off-season signing.

This.
If Wade has relatively healthy season (72+ games played) and is healthy by the time of the Playoffs, then no team has a chance.

Those are the same big IF's we've heard for the past 2 years...

No surgery this off season...and he'll be a year older. I'm not sure a 10lb drop can cure being injury prone.

They are not big IFs. Wade started to battle knee issues towards the end of the 11/12 season which are common for athletes in his mold. He then played through the pain and had surgery in the summer of 12. Given that he's older and has already had a knee surgery, his recovery took a little longer, causing him to not be in ideal shape towards the start of the 12/13 season. He worked his way back in there and was in great condition towards the middle of the season.
He then suffered a bone bruise, which can happen to anybody, but instead of resting it right away, he opted to push through it, adding further damage to his knee. That damage ended up being so bad that it wasn't possible to have him fully recovered come playoff time, especially given the timing of the injury. He then banged that exact knee again and, since it was banged up already, the situation only become worse. Unlike his structural damage, this was a common situation that just wasn't handled well.

A full of season of just knee treatment instead of surgery can be huge for a guy in his position. I don't see any reason to doubt him though. He's bounced back several times and even Kobe Bryant had a rough season the year after he had arthroscopic knee surgery the summer before. At that age and with the mileage you have, you don't recover from it that quickly. Similar to Wade, Kobe also lost weight on top of having Orthokine therapy the summer after and looked great this season. I don't see any reason why Wade couldn't go through the same process.

shanedude · Post #954 » by **shanedude** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:36 pm

Does anyone else feel Wade's ball handling has really dropped off? Dude used to be elite, could cross you up three ways to Sunday. Now he's merely very good at it.

Duane · Post #955 » by **Duane** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:42 pm

Wade had a bone bruise. It was a fluke injury. No guarantee it'll happen again.

fast-break · Post #956 » by **fast-break** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:45 pm

DWadeno3 wrote:
fast-break wrote:
Zasterror wrote:
This.
If Wade has relatively healthy season (72+ games played) and is healthy by the time of the Playoffs, then no team has a chance.

Those are the same big IF's we've heard for the past 2 years...

No surgery this off season...and he'll be a year older. I'm not sure a 10lb drop can cure being injury prone.

They are not big IFs. Wade started to battle knee issues towards the end of the 11/12 season which are common for athletes in his mold. He then played through the pain and had surgery in the summer of 12. Given that he's older and has already had a knee surgery, his recovery took a little longer, causing him to not be in ideal shape towards the start of the 12/13 season. He worked his way back in there and was in great condition towards the middle of the season.
He then suffered a bone bruise, which can happen to anybody, but instead of resting it right away, he opted to push through it, adding further damage to his knee. That damage ended up being so bad that it wasn't possible to have him fully recovered come playoff time, especially given the timing of the injury. He then banged that exact knee again and, since it was banged up already, the situation only become worse. Unlike his structural damage, this was a common situation that just wasn't handled well.

A full of season of just knee treatment instead of surgery can be huge for a guy in his position. I don't see any reason to doubt him though. He's bounced back several times and even Kobe Bryant had a rough season the year after he had arthroscopic knee surgery the summer before. At that age and with the mileage you have, you don't recover from it that quickly. Similar to Wade, Kobe also lost weight on top of having Orthokine therapy the summer after and looked great this season. I don't see any reason why Wade couldn't go through the same process.

So... Next season after 2 years straight of injuries...more mileage and a year older its unlikely to happen again...? Even the surgically repaired knee that was feeling good in March gave him problems in the post season too. This isn't "bad luck" for 2 years straight... It really sounds like D Wade just has bad knees.

Nothing wrong with optimism...but I'll believe it when I see it.

fast-break · Post #957 » by **fast-break** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:51 pm

shanedude wrote:Does anyone else feel Wade's ball handling has really dropped off? Dude used to be elite, could cross you up three ways to Sunday. Now he's merely very good at it.

Oh yeah...it's called decline.

But not "done".

DWadeno3 · Post #958 » by **DWadeno3** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:52 pm

fast-break wrote:So... Next season after 2 years straight of injuries...more mileage and a year older its unlikely to happen again...? Even the surgically repaired knee that was feeling good in March gave him problems in the post season too. This isn't "bad luck" for 2 years straight... It really sounds like D Wade just has bad knees.

Nothing wrong with optimism...but I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm not surprised the surgically repaired knee started to give him trouble too. If you have pain in one knee, you'll start favoring the other one, causing more pressure than normal on it.
Nonetheless, as I've stated months ago already, a summer dedicated to extended therapy on his knees can be extremely helpful. He's really only had one summer since his knees started acting up badly and that was last year, which was mainly spent on recovering from surgery. With the medical methods that are available today, there are plenty of opportunities to strengthen your knees again. As I pointed out, Kobe had similar issues and was able to overcome those.

It's fair enough to wait and see though. I for one am glad to see him not only evaluate treatment options but also reduce weight which has been long overdue. It may not sound like a lot, but your knees will thank over the course of a long season.

@shanedude and fast-break: When your knees are bad, your ball handling is automatically affected, that's common sense. You're not gonna be able to bend the knees properly when making a move, thus causing you to not get low enough and lose control of the ball. You don't just lose those skills. If you look at his highlights from game 4, you'll see a lot of very good ball handling:

[YouTube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGXpu8uOgcI[/YouTube]

Knees are a killer in a sport like basketball. When they're hurt, your entire game is f***ed.

hra8700 · Post #959 » by **hra8700** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:56 pm

I am still shocked that Riley plans to keep miller and not use the mini mid. We absolutely should have amnestied miller and signed kirilenko for the mini mid instead of the nets, he is a near perfect player for this team.

Right now the no. 1 offseason priority should be Greg Oden. If we have to pay the mini-mid, we should obviously amnesty miller to make it happen.

I think signing metta world peace at the min now that he's amnestied (if he clears waivers) is a no brainer. We can alternate battier and mwp at the 4 all season, since Haslem will be questionable off knee surgery (plus a stretch 4 as a fit is much better than playing haslem).

Big Dee Chi-Born · Post #960 » by **Big Dee Chi-Born** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:26 pm

I think that Riley simply doesn't want to put one of the best shooters in the world out on the open market. I think they'll just pay the penalty and keep premium shooting around LeBron. It's time to see if Dalembert is indeed committed to winning this go 'round. I'm just not sold on Odense being able to make multiple jumps and efforts after so many devastating injuries.