Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread

[IceColdCubano]

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Give Tatum and Brown Jimmy and Bam's supporting cast with Mazulla and they probably have zero ECF appearances during that time frame


Okay I'm just being a hater. Tatum + Brown with a mediocre cast and coach would still wreak havoc.

If you give the Boston Celtics duo our supporting cast, they will still be propped up as a top tier contender along with Milwaukee just because of the Boston Media. We will always get undersold no matter what unless Miami has a clear top 1 & 2 players on the same team like back when we had Lebron and Wade.

[Umbooki]

All this Harden stuff is exactly why you don’t trade for him. Unless he’s 100% committed, dude is gonna bug out and go rogue.

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Id put my money against this take. I liked the Heats supporting cast better than the Celtics. Celtics playmaking outside of Tatum and Brown is almost nonexistent. I dont see Timelord or Horford buying in and its not guaranteed the rest of the roster fits well with our requirement. Heat system might seem plug and play but its not.Only guy from the Celtics not named Tatum or Brown that fits would have been Grant Williams.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Id put my money against this take. I liked the Heats supporting cast better than the Celtics. Celtics playmaking outside of Tatum and Brown is almost nonexistent. I dont see Timelord or Horford buying in and its not guaranteed the rest of the roster fits well with our requirement. Heat system might seem plug and play but its not.Only guy from the Celtics not named Tatum or Brown that fits would have been Grant Williams.

White Smart Horford Grant would’ve been seamless fits lol Rob Williams backing up Bam would’ve been huge. Their supporting cast **** on Miamis tbh

[IceColdCubano]

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Id put my money against this take. I liked the Heats supporting cast better than the Celtics. Celtics playmaking outside of Tatum and Brown is almost nonexistent. I dont see Timelord or Horford buying in and its not guaranteed the rest of the roster fits well with our requirement. Heat system might seem plug and play but its not.Only guy from the Celtics not named Tatum or Brown that fits would have been Grant Williams.

White Smart Horford Grant would’ve been seamless fits lol Rob Williams backing up Bam would’ve been huge. Their supporting cast **** on Miamis tbh

Miami would still struggle to score at times just as now, I just think defensively we would be straight clamps. Like your not scoring on this team clamps. Wed be top 1 ranked defense by a large margin, wed be the worst matchup in basketball against teams who put up lots of points.

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Interesting side bit, Boston homer Bill Simmons recently ranked Butler and Bam as a better duo than Tatum and Brown.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Good lord, season not even started yet and Tyler already has his usual lower body injury

[KingDavid]

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Good lord, season not even started yet and Tyler already has his usual lower body injury

Eh, it's a thigh bruise. Anyone in the league can get those from a flying knee. Thankfully it isn't something broken like before.

[AirP.]

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Good lord, season not even started yet and Tyler already has his usual lower body injury

Eh, it's a thigh bruise. Anyone in the league can get those from a flying knee. Thankfully it isn't something broken like before.

And it's preseason, may even be an excuse to get a look at some other players on offense instead of Herro taking a ton of shots, might be why Butler's been out too. Miami still needs to know the pecking order of the guys near the end of the rotation.

[eddieheatfan]

nice start by the heat

[VaDe255]

Poole looks like he's going to score around 30 ppg this season.

Still difficult to believe GSW paid to trade him to the Wizards and it is going to look like one of those really silly trades.

Wizards should be fun to watch and will be putting up tons of points with virtually no defense at all.

[IceColdCubano]

Poole looks like he's going to score around 30 ppg this season.

Still difficult to believe GSW paid to trade him to the Wizards and it is going to look like one of those really silly trades.

Wizards should be fun to watch and will be putting up tons of points with virtually no defense at all.

Yeah, hell average 30ppg this year or more for sure. He makes scoring look so easy, wonder why certain players can just put up 40 points or more in 2 quarters, on 19 shots and we think the world of Herro who will put up 30 points on 25 shots in an entire game. Lets see if he proves us wrong, but for most of us our standard here Herro putting up 20ppg on just good efficiency.

[greg4012]

J Rich already being injured sheds light on the real concern that this roster only has one true guard/point of attack defender currently (we don't want to tax Jimmy in such a role and Bam is doing everything on defense

[Heat_team02]

I predict Diallo & Hampton (injury) will be the final cuts.

[AirP.]

Poole looks like he's going to score around 30 ppg this season.

Still difficult to believe GSW paid to trade him to the Wizards and it is going to look like one of those really silly trades.

Wizards should be fun to watch and will be putting up tons of points with virtually no defense at all.

What? Washington fans may be heading towards another era of bad team but [insert new scorer] got 30. I don't know, maybe it's because being a greedy scorer (especially in preseason when it shouldn't matter) can have negative effects for team play. The below clip's context is...

1. Avdija a minute earlier had a fast break that he gave up the ball to a wide-open Poole for a 3 which is the right play (Poole made the shot).

2. This play also was a somewhat fast break, Ryan Rollins drove to the basket, collapsing the defense leaving Poole and Avdija open at the 3pt line at opposite sides of the top of the key, the pass goes out to Poole who was 5 feet beyond the arc and the defender recovered off Rollins to contest Poole. Avdija, WIDE OPEN where a skip pass would have gotten him an open 3 wasn't even considered, Poole had already decided what he was going to do which was... a shot fake to get the defender up, take a dribble forward and then take a step back 3(which he did make) but it was not the right play and this kind of **** will cause problems for Washington. R.Rollins seeing that Poole wasn't passing cleared out to open up the lane but all it did was clog up the passing lane to Avdija.

Oh, by the way Washington had the numbers with only 4 defenders back on defense. What a stupid situational play (that did work but normally shouldn't)... and this was a preseason game, gotta get those points!

There is a reason why GS wanted him gone, he's very greedy and now has a big contract so unless he's a dominate #1 option (which would justify his play) he's probably going to destroy whatever team he plays for. I get it if you like scorers, but if you like winning your scorer better be able to do that almost every single night with the other team's top defender on him.

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Here's him talking to Avdija (not sure when, wouldn't be surprised if it was soon after that play). I don't think Washington cares too much about winning.

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[MiamiLoyal926]

Poole looks like he's going to score around 30 ppg this season.

Still difficult to believe GSW paid to trade him to the Wizards and it is going to look like one of those really silly trades.

Wizards should be fun to watch and will be putting up tons of points with virtually no defense at all.

What? Washington fans may be heading towards another era of bad team but [insert new scorer] got 30. I don't know, maybe it's because being a greedy scorer (especially in preseason when it shouldn't matter) can have negative effects for team play. The below clip's context is...

1. Avdija a minute earlier had a fast break that he gave up the ball to a wide-open Poole for a 3 which is the right play (Poole made the shot).

2. This play also was a somewhat fast break, Ryan Rollins drove to the basket, collapsing the defense leaving Poole and Avdija open at the 3pt line at opposite sides of the top of the key, the pass goes out to Poole who was 5 feet beyond the arc and the defender recovered off Rollins to contest Poole. Avdija, WIDE OPEN where a skip pass would have gotten him an open 3 wasn't even considered, Poole had already decided what he was going to do which was... a shot fake to get the defender up, take a dribble forward and then take a step back 3(which he did make) but it was not the right play and this kind of **** will cause problems for Washington. R.Rollins seeing that Poole wasn't passing cleared out to open up the lane but all it did was clog up the passing lane to Avdija.

Oh, by the way Washington had the numbers with only 4 defenders back on defense. What a stupid play situational play (that did work but normally shouldn't)... and this was a preseason game, gotta get those points!

There is a reason why GS wanted him gone, he's very greedy and now has a big contract so unless he's a dominate #1 option (which would justify his play) he's probably going to destroy whatever team he plays for.

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Heat basketball is all about sharing the ball. Herro plays within that system. When he gets a bit greedy, we get upset. When he is passive, we knock him for not being more assertive on offense. What I saw this preseason is that he was more decisive with less probing and over dribbling.

How would Poole do in our system? Would he manage Spo’s style better than Herro?

[AirP.]

Heat basketball is all about sharing the ball. Herro plays within that system. When he gets a bit greedy, we get upset. When he is passive, we knock him for not being more assertive on offense. What I saw this preseason is that he was more decisive with less probing and over dribbling.

How would Poole do in our system? Would he manage Spo’s style better than Herro?

Don't lead me down this road, Herro is a lot greedier than you want to admit. He's taken more shots per game each of the last 2 season than any season Butler has ever had and because of the in-game Miami announcers, once in a while we get to hear about Spoelstra having conversations about Herro's shot selection. If he played Klay's type of offensive game, he'd probably be an all-star with that 3pt shot and not being affected by late game situations. Herro has some really nice strengths; I just don't think they're being utilized properly up to the end of last season.

[Daffy]

Heat basketball is all about sharing the ball. Herro plays within that system. When he gets a bit greedy, we get upset. When he is passive, we knock him for not being more assertive on offense. What I saw this preseason is that he was more decisive with less probing and over dribbling.

How would Poole do in our system? Would he manage Spo’s style better than Herro?

Don't lead me down this road, Herro is a lot greedier than you want to admit. He's taken more shots per game each of the last 2 season than any season Butler has ever had and because of the in-game Miami announcers, once in a while we get to hear about Spoelstra having conversations about Herro's shot selection. If he played Klay's type of offensive game, he'd probably be an all-star with that 3pt shot and not being affected by late game situations. Herro has some really nice strengths; I just don't think they're being utilized properly up to the end of last season.

If Butler wanted more shots or even it Spo wanted Herro to shoot less what do you think would happen?

[VaDe255]

Poole looks like he's going to score around 30 ppg this season.

Still difficult to believe GSW paid to trade him to the Wizards and it is going to look like one of those really silly trades.

Wizards should be fun to watch and will be putting up tons of points with virtually no defense at all.

What? Washington fans may be heading towards another era of bad team but [insert new scorer] got 30. I don't know, maybe it's because being a greedy scorer (especially in preseason when it shouldn't matter) can have negative effects for team play. The below clip's context is...

1. Avdija a minute earlier had a fast break that he gave up the ball to a wide-open Poole for a 3 which is the right play (Poole made the shot).

2. This play also was a somewhat fast break, Ryan Rollins drove to the basket, collapsing the defense leaving Poole and Avdija open at the 3pt line at opposite sides of the top of the key, the pass goes out to Poole who was 5 feet beyond the arc and the defender recovered off Rollins to contest Poole. Avdija, WIDE OPEN where a skip pass would have gotten him an open 3 wasn't even considered, Poole had already decided what he was going to do which was... a shot fake to get the defender up, take a dribble forward and then take a step back 3(which he did make) but it was not the right play and this kind of **** will cause problems for Washington. R.Rollins seeing that Poole wasn't passing cleared out to open up the lane but all it did was clog up the passing lane to Avdija.

Oh, by the way Washington had the numbers with only 4 defenders back on defense. What a stupid situational play (that did work but normally shouldn't)... and this was a preseason game, gotta get those points!

There is a reason why GS wanted him gone, he's very greedy and now has a big contract so unless he's a dominate #1 option (which would justify his play) he's probably going to destroy whatever team he plays for. I get it if you like scorers, but if you like winning your scorer better be able to do that almost every single night with the other team's top defender on him.

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Here's him talking to Avdija (not sure when, wouldn't be surprised if it was soon after that play). I don't think Washington cares too much about winning.

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Washington was set up to tank when they traded Beal/KP, not sure where you are going with your post.
What they got in the end for Beal and his NTC was this (after all the flipping was done):

- Poole, Rollins, Shamet
- 7 SRP
- 4 FRP swaps w/PHX
- 1 protected FRP (2030) from GSW

Thats actually insane and part of it was GSW making a hilariously bad trade in my view.

Poole is fun to watch (and I don't care about him making the "correct play" when he produces highlight reel palys instead).
Wizards gonna be fun to watch, with games potentially just ending up with 240+ point totals.
Nobody over there cares about winning right now and that is fine, get a few good picks, stack up trade assests and try to figure out what you have later. What Wizards FO is doing looks plenty good to me.