Random Thoughts XIX

Bishop45 · Post #961 » by **Bishop45** » Sat May 9, 2020 12:26 pm

Don't mind ppl not wearing masks, but can't square with ppl protesting masks and stay-at-home measures. It's stupid and wreckless at best. Part of me wish some of them actually understood what a government that prioritized freedom over public health actually looked like

Root of the protests aren't about freedom though, you can see just by looking at the Maga Maggots carrying Trump flags and swastikas. Partisan political theatre, wodies would protest clean water if it was framed a partisan issue

HeatFanLifer · Post #962 » by **HeatFanLifer** » Sat May 9, 2020 7:32 pm

Bishop45 wrote:Don't mind ppl not wearing masks, but can't square with ppl protesting masks and stay-at-home measures. It's stupid and wreckless at best. Part of me wish some of them actually understood what a government that prioritized freedom over public health actually looked like

Root of the protests aren't about freedom though, you can see just by looking at the Maga Maggots carrying Trump flags and swastikas. Partisan political theatre, wodies would protest clean water if it was framed a partisan issue

Problem with our current political environment is there’s nutbags, zealots, and fanatics out there who constantly push for attention. Those intense people are then supported by people who promote them with biased media and bashing anyone who opposes them. This bashing includes giving attention to the most crazy people on the dissent side. Can’t run a functional political system where people believe someone who disagrees with something is crazy.

goodboy · Post #963 » by **goodboy** » Sat May 9, 2020 8:33 pm

Watch on YouTube

how did i not know about this

Bishop45 · Post #964 » by **Bishop45** » Sat May 9, 2020 11:17 pm

HeatFanLifer wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Don't mind ppl not wearing masks, but can't square with ppl protesting masks and stay-at-home measures. It's stupid and wreckless at best. Part of me wish some of them actually understood what a government that prioritized freedom over public health actually looked like

Root of the protests aren't about freedom though, you can see just by looking at the Maga Maggots carrying Trump flags and swastikas. Partisan political theatre, wodies would protest clean water if it was framed a partisan issue

Problem with our current political environment is there’s nutbags, zealots, and fanatics out there who constantly push for attention. Those intense people are then supported by people who promote them with biased media and bashing anyone who opposes them. This bashing includes giving attention to the most crazy people on the dissent side. Can’t run a functional political system where people believe someone who disagrees with something is crazy.

I agree on some points, but I don't see any rational/logical room to allow ppl protesting health measures during a pandemic to argue. Disagreeing is fine, but protesting is inherently political and both extreme and silly when you're talking about public health. There is no country if we decide elicit freedoms are more important than public health

Also it's hard to ignore the crazy protesters when they're usually the larger faction within' the group- that being Trump supporters carrying agitprops, the people out there with swastikas and nazi symbolism aren't there coincidently either; I don't judge the group by them but I wonder what they're doing out there protesting

Diakamawatane · Post #965 » by **Diakamawatane** » Sat May 9, 2020 11:56 pm

Been away for a while working in the frontlines. Hopefully, you guys are doing good. Can't wait to watch some Heat basketball again.

Post #966 » by **IggieCC** » Sun May 10, 2020 12:40 am

Diakamawatane wrote:Been away for a while working in the frontlines. Hopefully, you guys are doing good. Can't wait to watch some Heat basketball again.

Spoiler:

HeatFanLifer · Post #967 » by **HeatFanLifer** » Sun May 10, 2020 1:22 am

Bishop45 wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Don't mind ppl not wearing masks, but can't square with ppl protesting masks and stay-at-home measures. It's stupid and wreckless at best. Part of me wish some of them actually understood what a government that prioritized freedom over public health actually looked like

Root of the protests aren't about freedom though, you can see just by looking at the Maga Maggots carrying Trump flags and swastikas. Partisan political theatre, wodies would protest clean water if it was framed a partisan issue

Problem with our current political environment is there’s nutbags, zealots, and fanatics out there who constantly push for attention. Those intense people are then supported by people who promote them with biased media and bashing anyone who opposes them. This bashing includes giving attention to the most crazy people on the dissent side. Can’t run a functional political system where people believe someone who disagrees with something is crazy.

I agree on some points, but I don't see any rational/logical room to allow ppl protesting health measures during a pandemic to argue. Disagreeing is fine, but protesting is inherently political and both extreme and silly when you're talking about public health. There is no country if we decide elicit freedoms are more important than public health

Also it's hard to ignore the crazy protesters when they're usually the larger faction within' the group- that being Trump supporters carrying agitprops, the people out there with swastikas and nazi symbolism aren't there coincidently either; I don't judge the group by them but I wonder what they're doing out there protesting

Good study for you to read if interested:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5646348/#!po=0.595238

Bishop45 · Post #968 » by **Bishop45** » Sun May 10, 2020 1:47 am

HeatFanLifer wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:
Problem with our current political environment is there’s nutbags, zealots, and fanatics out there who constantly push for attention. Those intense people are then supported by people who promote them with biased media and bashing anyone who opposes them. This bashing includes giving attention to the most crazy people on the dissent side. Can’t run a functional political system where people believe someone who disagrees with something is crazy.

I agree on some points, but I don't see any rational/logical room to allow ppl protesting health measures during a pandemic to argue. Disagreeing is fine, but protesting is inherently political and both extreme and silly when you're talking about public health. There is no country if we decide elicit freedoms are more important than public health

Also it's hard to ignore the crazy protesters when they're usually the larger faction within' the group- that being Trump supporters carrying agitprops, the people out there with swastikas and nazi symbolism aren't there coincidently either; I don't judge the group by them but I wonder what they're doing out there protesting

Good study for you to read if interested:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5646348/#!po=0.595238

I only read the abstract, which I believe is talking about the perception of the size of gatherings? I don't think the gatherings of protesters are large enough for the media to skew it in anyway that matters. But if they have, I'll retract the statement about the Trump supporters and stand on the point that anyone out protesting health measure's
during a pandemic is making a blunt political statement.

There are large swaths of demographics affected by the stay-at-home orders, but I've only seen the demographics that support Trump out there protesting, mainly in/near geographic subsections that support Trump... with little evidence of it elsewhere- leads me to believe the following

HeatFanLifer · Post #969 » by **HeatFanLifer** » Sun May 10, 2020 3:15 am

Bishop45 wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
I agree on some points, but I don't see any rational/logical room to allow ppl protesting health measures during a pandemic to argue. Disagreeing is fine, but protesting is inherently political and both extreme and silly when you're talking about public health. There is no country if we decide elicit freedoms are more important than public health

Also it's hard to ignore the crazy protesters when they're usually the larger faction within' the group- that being Trump supporters carrying agitprops, the people out there with swastikas and nazi symbolism aren't there coincidently either; I don't judge the group by them but I wonder what they're doing out there protesting

Good study for you to read if interested:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5646348/#!po=0.595238

I only read the abstract, which I believe is talking about the perception of the size of gatherings? I don't think the gatherings of protesters are large enough for the media to skew it in anyway that matters. But if they have, I'll retract the statement about the Trump supporters and stand on the point that anyone out protesting health measure's
during a pandemic is making a blunt political statement.

There are large swaths of demographics affected by the stay-at-home orders, but I've only seen the demographics that support Trump out there protesting, mainly in/near geographic subsections that support Trump... with little evidence of it elsewhere- leads me to believe the following

One thing about studies is they aren’t definitive. Especially in the social sciences. With that being said, it has given me something to pause and think about when I hear the media discuss the amount protestors that are advocating for something that sounds crazy. Or whether that really is what their position is.

Ever see a Promised Land with John Krasinki? Terrible movie, but he played a person protesting a natural gas company and was leading the charge against the company. He ended up being proven to be lying about his facts against the company and it largely discredited those fighting the gas company. At the end you find out he was paid by the gas company to do that. Point is, media shows people what they want them to see.

Bishop45 · Post #970 » by **Bishop45** » Sun May 10, 2020 4:21 am

HeatFanLifer wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:
Good study for you to read if interested:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5646348/#!po=0.595238

I only read the abstract, which I believe is talking about the perception of the size of gatherings? I don't think the gatherings of protesters are large enough for the media to skew it in anyway that matters. But if they have, I'll retract the statement about the Trump supporters and stand on the point that anyone out protesting health measure's
during a pandemic is making a blunt political statement.

There are large swaths of demographics affected by the stay-at-home orders, but I've only seen the demographics that support Trump out there protesting, mainly in/near geographic subsections that support Trump... with little evidence of it elsewhere- leads me to believe the following

One thing about studies is they aren’t definitive. Especially in the social sciences. With that being said, it has given me something to pause and think about when I hear the media discuss the amount protestors that are advocating for something that sounds crazy. Or whether that really is what their position is.

Ever see a Promised Land with John Krasinki? Terrible movie, but he played a person protesting a natural gas company and was leading the charge against the company. He ended up being proven to be lying about his facts against the company and it largely discredited those fighting the gas company. At the end you find out he was paid by the gas company to do that. Point is, media shows people what they want them to see.

Yea' I get that, I always take things with a grain of salt as media literacy may be the most important device of our time. Logically, I can't vouch for folks protesting during a pandemic

HeatFanLifer · Post #971 » by **HeatFanLifer** » Sun May 10, 2020 4:26 am

Bishop45 wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
I only read the abstract, which I believe is talking about the perception of the size of gatherings? I don't think the gatherings of protesters are large enough for the media to skew it in anyway that matters. But if they have, I'll retract the statement about the Trump supporters and stand on the point that anyone out protesting health measure's
during a pandemic is making a blunt political statement.

There are large swaths of demographics affected by the stay-at-home orders, but I've only seen the demographics that support Trump out there protesting, mainly in/near geographic subsections that support Trump... with little evidence of it elsewhere- leads me to believe the following

One thing about studies is they aren’t definitive. Especially in the social sciences. With that being said, it has given me something to pause and think about when I hear the media discuss the amount protestors that are advocating for something that sounds crazy. Or whether that really is what their position is.

Ever see a Promised Land with John Krasinki? Terrible movie, but he played a person protesting a natural gas company and was leading the charge against the company. He ended up being proven to be lying about his facts against the company and it largely discredited those fighting the gas company. At the end you find out he was paid by the gas company to do that. Point is, media shows people what they want them to see.

Yea' I get that, I always take things with a grain of salt as media literacy may be the most important device of our time. Logically, I can't vouch for folks protesting during a pandemic

I agree with ya. I think 99% of America does too. My point is, we have no idea whether that’s actually what is occurring.

Bishop45 · Post #972 » by **Bishop45** » Sun May 10, 2020 5:06 am

HeatFanLifer wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:
One thing about studies is they aren’t definitive. Especially in the social sciences. With that being said, it has given me something to pause and think about when I hear the media discuss the amount protestors that are advocating for something that sounds crazy. Or whether that really is what their position is.

Ever see a Promised Land with John Krasinki? Terrible movie, but he played a person protesting a natural gas company and was leading the charge against the company. He ended up being proven to be lying about his facts against the company and it largely discredited those fighting the gas company. At the end you find out he was paid by the gas company to do that. Point is, media shows people what they want them to see.

Yea' I get that, I always take things with a grain of salt as media literacy may be the most important device of our time. Logically, I can't vouch for folks protesting during a pandemic

I agree with ya. I think 99% of America does too. My point is, we have no idea whether that’s actually what is occurring.

I don't know if there is an alternate cause, but the folks protesting stay-at-home orders/distancing is who I mean

goodboy · Post #973 » by **goodboy** » Sun May 10, 2020 5:41 am

Watch on YouTube

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goodboy · Post #974 » by **goodboy** » Sun May 10, 2020 5:46 am

Watch on YouTube

chills

1:16 thing he does with his entrances will always be embedded in my mind, with his goat entrance/attire.

HeatFanLifer · Post #975 » by **HeatFanLifer** » Sun May 10, 2020 6:50 am

goodboy wrote:
Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Just incase you were curious, which I’m sure you are, this exists:

Spoiler:

goodboy · Post #976 » by **goodboy** » Sun May 10, 2020 6:54 am

BaffLer · Post #977 » by **BaffLer** » Sun May 10, 2020 6:38 pm

Happy Mother's Day!

:hug:

Bishop45 · Post #978 » by **Bishop45** » Sun May 10, 2020 9:56 pm

Lil' surprised at Sweden

Read on Twitter

HeatFanLifer · Post #979 » by **HeatFanLifer** » Mon May 11, 2020 12:16 am

Bishop45 wrote:Lil' surprised at Sweden

Read on Twitter

Sweden put in no restrictions what so ever.

What exactly are those best practices? CDC guidance? WHO? China health department?

WHO is advising against wearing a mask unless you are sick.

Bishop45 · Post #980 » by **Bishop45** » Mon May 11, 2020 1:14 am

HeatFanLifer wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Lil' surprised at Sweden

Read on Twitter

Sweden put in no restrictions what so ever.

What exactly are those best practices? CDC guidance? WHO? China health department?

WHO is advising against wearing a mask unless you are sick.

I'm guessing it's an amalgamation of all the more relevant tactics to date from various experts. WHO's correct in saying that only the sick need masks, but with the rate of asymptomatic carriers- the CDC's recommendation of wearing one anyway is probably the more preemptive way to go

Read on Twitter

I don't wear a mask outside all the time, but I can see that it's necessary