2020 NBA Draft - We have a FRP!....for now

[MettaWorldPanda]

Immanuel Quickley bandwagon since day 1.

I like him panda, But do you like him at #20?

He seems like the perfect second round guy, but a bit small and lacking some explosiveness if you plan to play him at SG.

Then Again, I thought Bam and Hero were a big reach too.

He’s a PG. Was one of the top PG’s in the country coming to KY. Calipari needed him to play a role in KY. Heat love that about KY players. He’s a light’s out shooter and a perfect compliment to Herro defensively in the backcourt. Butler is our point forward and needs abundance of shooters surrounding him. Quickley is getting better and all you need to hear is how Calipari talks about him. Compares him in line with Murray and SGA. Calipari has earned that type of capital with me.

“Kentucky coach John Calipari compared Quickley to Denver Nuggets guard Jamal Murray, a breakout star in the NBA playoffs that saw several former Wildcats excel and Anthony Davis win the first NBA championship for a former Calipari player”

“Most of the [mock draft] guys only saw him last year,” Sodipo said. “They forget he was a pass-first point guard all his life. He just had to adjust to playing off the ball at Kentucky and he made the best of it. And now he’s a better all-around player than can play on it and off it.”

Sodipo added: “This young man is built for the modern-day NBA. Excellent defender, top-notch shooter, high basketball IQ, great teammate that can play on or off the ball and [he’s] a better person. He will out-perform many players who will be drafted ahead of him.”

[RexBoyWonder]

Immanuel Quickley bandwagon since day 1.

I like him panda, But do you like him at #20?

He seems like the perfect second round guy, but a bit small and lacking some explosiveness if you plan to play him at SG.

Then Again, I thought Bam and Hero were a big reach too.

He’s a PG. Was one of the top PG’s in the country coming to KY. Calipari needed him to play a role in KY. Heat love that about KY players. He’s a light’s out shooter and a perfect compliment to Herro defensively in the backcourt. Butler is our point forward and needs abundance of shooters surrounding him. Quickley is getting better and all you need to hear is how Calipari talks about him. Compares him in line with Murray and SGA. Calipari has earned that type of capital with me.

“Kentucky coach John Calipari compared Quickley to Denver Nuggets guard Jamal Murray, a breakout star in the NBA playoffs that saw several former Wildcats excel and Anthony Davis win the first NBA championship for a former Calipari player”

“Most of the [mock draft] guys only saw him last year,” Sodipo said. “They forget he was a pass-first point guard all his life. He just had to adjust to playing off the ball at Kentucky and he made the best of it. And now he’s a better all-around player than can play on it and off it.”

Sodipo added: “This young man is built for the modern-day NBA. Excellent defender, top-notch shooter, high basketball IQ, great teammate that can play on or off the ball and [he’s] a better person. He will out-perform many players who will be drafted ahead of him.”

well, that sounds good.

But honestly I'm very warry of drafting non PG's and assume they can play PG. Some guys are just undersized SG's and always will be. It's not easy to make that shift from a pure scorer to distributor mode.

You can't teach court vision, A true PG is just a natural floor general. Quickley doesn't have a great A/T ratio, which is also worrisome.

IF he really can play full time PG, then I'm all over him. At PG he has great size, can be a great defender, and fits better here.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Wouldn't draft Jalen Smith over Desmond Bane at 20, he's too skinny.

Who cares if he's skinny? Are we playing prime Shaq?

Give me the shot blocking mobile big with a 3 point shot to put next to Bam - that's the perfect guy for us.

I hate Bane BTW. I can just tell be the way he moves he'll struggle on the next level.

Weight matters in the NBA. How many starting centers as small as Smith are good defenders? Also, he's not mobile.

So just by looking at the way a player moves you can tell how good they'll be at the next level ?

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Wouldn't draft Jalen Smith over Desmond Bane at 20, he's too skinny.

Wouldn't draft Desmond Bane over Jalen Smith at 20, he's too short.

Not even the same thing. Bane has good size to play SG or SF. Jalen Smith is built like a PF but will probably be best playing against centers.

[DayofMourning]

Just draft a bunch of guys, train them up good and let's see who rises to the top.

If we ended up drafting Nnaji and IQ I'd drop a deuce.

[DayofMourning]

Wouldn't draft Jalen Smith over Desmond Bane at 20, he's too skinny.

Wouldn't draft Desmond Bane over Jalen Smith at 20, he's too short.

Not even the same thing. Bane has good size to play SG or SF. Jalen Smith is built like a PF but will probably be best playing against centers.

Smith will probably max out at 240 and have a great physique. The league is going smaller, not bigger. His size isn't an issue for me.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Wouldn't draft Desmond Bane over Jalen Smith at 20, he's too short.

Not even the same thing. Bane has good size to play SG or SF. Jalen Smith is built like a PF but will probably be best playing against centers.

Smith will probably max out at 240 and have a great physique. The league is going smaller, not bigger. His size isn't an issue for me.

Every team doesn't play a 6-8 guy at center. Even some power forwards in the league are bigger and stronger than he is. You think he's going to be a plus-defender?

[DayofMourning]

Not even the same thing. Bane has good size to play SG or SF. Jalen Smith is built like a PF but will probably be best playing against centers.

Smith will probably max out at 240 and have a great physique. The league is going smaller, not bigger. His size isn't an issue for me.

Every team doesn't play a 6-8 guy at center. Even some power forwards in the league are bigger and stronger than he is. You think he's going to be a plus-defender?

Well, if big and strong was an indicator of success then a lot of guys would have dominated the league. Hes a skilled player. Find a role and let him flourish in it. Basketball is a lot more than height weight requirements and isolated one on one matchups. Smith projects pretty well next to Bam in a team concept.

[twix2500]

I'm not at all against drafting Smith, but I feel some want him because he more willing to just to stand at the point. Thats fine, even thou I want a more well rounded offense player. One deminsional is not something I prefer.

What I do question is his defensive potential. Who is Smith built to defend? Giannis, Lebron, Jaylen Brown, Simmons or Embiid? What power forward or center is he capable of giving problems? I want someone who can't relieve Bam from some of his defensive responsibilities.

I look at Smith and he moves like he is 7'1 but is only 6'9 or 6'10. Robert Horry was 100x more athletic until he got old.

Kind of remind me of TJ Leaf who had the size and was athletic enough in college but was physically outclassed when he got to the NBA.

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[twix2500]

Wouldn't draft Jalen Smith over Desmond Bane at 20, he's too skinny.

Who cares if he's skinny? Are we playing prime Shaq?

Give me the shot blocking mobile big with a 3 point shot to put next to Bam - that's the perfect guy for us.

I hate Bane BTW. I can just tell be the way he moves he'll struggle on the next level.

Weight matters in the NBA. How many starting centers as small as Smith are good defenders? Also, he's not mobile.

So just by looking at the way a player moves you can tell how good they'll be at the next level ?

I don't care about role playing starting centers. What star bigs can he defend. We better not draft Smith to defend Thies lol

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Just draft a bunch of guys, train them up good and let's see who rises to the top.

If we ended up drafting Nnaji and IQ I'd drop a deuce.

Damn that looks so nice.

[Seabass777]

Rex mentioned a prospect by the name of Patrick Williams being Kawhi Leonard lite, and I agree. His measurements are great 6-8, 225lbs, and a 7 foot wing span. I like his game ALOT.

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[Feel_the_Heat15]

Smith will probably max out at 240 and have a great physique. The league is going smaller, not bigger. His size isn't an issue for me.

Every team doesn't play a 6-8 guy at center. Even some power forwards in the league are bigger and stronger than he is. You think he's going to be a plus-defender?

Well, if big and strong was an indicator of success then a lot of guys would have dominated the league. Hes a skilled player. Find a role and let him flourish in it. Basketball is a lot more than height weight requirements and isolated one on one matchups. Smith projects pretty well next to Bam in a team concept.

Big and strong is an indicator for success though. How many of the top centers are big and strong? How many of the top centers are small and weak? A better fit next to Bam would be a player like Marc Gasol who's a very diverse defender. Just because Smith can shoot 3s doesn't mean he's BPA or he's guaranteed to be a good player. Markkanen is one of the best 3-point shooting big men in the NBA but he's not a very good player.

[Wiltside]

With respect to the “do we take Quickley at #20?”

My view is you take the guy you want when it’s your pick. If we value him at #20 and have him as our BPA, back ourselves in. Who cares if others think it’s a reach?

Whether Quickley truly becomes a ball handling pure PG is almost irrelevant to me. We have Butler, Bam, Dragic and Herro as our predominant ball handlers. Potentially Giannis too in a years time (or another Max FA). Quickley can at minimum play spot minutes as primary ball handler, but is already well equipped to defend PG’s and play off ball as a sniper.

If he’s spending a lot of time alongside Herro, that’s great. He can defend the primary guard offensive threat and allow Herro the easier matchup where possible.

I just don’t like being cute with a pick. Take the guy we think is best player available, fits our ethos and work ethic (culture, if you will) and has an identifiable role in the NBA.

That’s why I like Quickley and it’s also why I like Bane. I think they both have a clear role at the next level that doesn’t solely revolve around them having the ball in their hands.

[twix2500]

I think I am officially on the Cole Anthony bandwagon. I initially didnt think he would be available to be able to jump on the bandwagon, but now I have a gut feeling he will. I initially thought Lewis Jr will be available but it appears he has moved up in the top ten. Maxey may have moved up as well because of agent influences. Cole Anthony might be the one that might drop.

I think he is too talented, too much pro basketball connection and experiences to pass up. I think he will develop quickly very quickly and has a high ceiling. He has been around the pro game since was a child, built relationships with players and probably knows much of the Heat organization. He can go to his father for professional advice. That is a player I am going to watch very closely to see if he is available.

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[Wiltside]

For the record, I’d be happy to also go with Cole Anthony if he’s on the board. Despite him needing the rock more than the guys I mentioned above (Quickley or Bane), Anthony was a top 5 pick earlier this year. At 20, I feel it’s worth taking the punt on the upside there. At worst, he’s a microwave bucket getter. At best? Could be legit.

I don’t expect him to be available though. Gut tells me he’ll go earlier than a lot of people or mocking so far.

[puppa bear]

I don’t expect him to be available though. Gut tells me he’ll go earlier than a lot of people or mocking so far.

If you look at the teams drafting outside the top-10, most of them already have at least one incumbent starting PG - some have 2 (eg NOP playing Ball/Jrue). It’s likely that there’s is a slew of PGs left (Lewis/Anthony/Terry/Maledon/Jones/Flynn) with only really the Magic in the position of “needing” to look towards the PG spot.
Pretty much every team has needs at wing or post that they should address unless a clear BPA is there. With the middle of this draft being so flat and deep, and there being such a strange run-in, it’s not unexpected that we could have our pick of 5 of the six listed above.

This depth of PGs makes it highly unlikely that IQ goes before 25 or so. He seems to be in that next tier after the huge block that cover the 15-30 range. Unless someone falls in love with him then he should be available somewhere early 2nd.

[RexBoyWonder]

Cole Anthony scares me as maybe being that undersized SG that isn't really a PG too. If you're this small you better be super quick or an elite shooter, is he?

[Seabass777]

Cole Anthony seems like another Shabazz Napier to me

[RexBoyWonder]

Cole Anthony seems like another Shabazz Napier to me

To be fair he's more alethic then Napier, but I'm sure how much he really implements it

Just like Tyrese Maxey, I don't see the point in these smallish guards that aren't great shooters, aren't great passers, they're just..small.