2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

[AirP.]

Miami has built quite the team on mid first draft picks.

Theyve also swung and missed on every trade target.

The problem theyve created of wanting to spend all your assets on a target then having to pay them is an archaic way of thinking they need to remedy.

It'll be interesting what you think in 2-3 seasons when all the youth will be demanding money for their 2nd contracts... nearly all at once while still having Bam and Herro on near max or max contracts. Herro's got all the leverage for his next contract. I don't see Miami being a contender with Bam and Herro as max (or even close to max) players for Miami.

[AirP.]

I would suspect Butler is putting this out there to let them know he'll resign with them which might make deciding to try to trade for him an easier decision.

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[DayofMourning]

Miami has built quite the team on mid first draft picks.

Theyve also swung and missed on every trade target.

The problem theyve created of wanting to spend all your assets on a target then having to pay them is an archaic way of thinking they need to remedy.

It'll be interesting what you think in 2-3 seasons when all the youth will be demanding money for their 2nd contracts... nearly all at once while still having Bam and Herro on near or just max contracts. Herro's got all the leverage for his next contract.

They can want it, but that mindset will likely lead to them getting it elsewhere. Cant play role players premium contracts. Pay those to your real stars. Keep drafting until someone stands out.

[AirP.]

Miami has built quite the team on mid first draft picks.

Theyve also swung and missed on every trade target.

The problem theyve created of wanting to spend all your assets on a target then having to pay them is an archaic way of thinking they need to remedy.

It'll be interesting what you think in 2-3 seasons when all the youth will be demanding money for their 2nd contracts... nearly all at once while still having Bam and Herro on near or just max contracts. Herro's got all the leverage for his next contract.

They can want it, but that mindset will likely lead to them getting it elsewhere. Cant play role players premium contracts. Pay those to your real stars. Keep drafting until someone stands out.

You're looking at a future when this team will be paying Bam and Herro max money (until Bam is moved in a year or 2), the future isn't looking bright, it's looking like Beal's Washington Wizards except without the high draft pick misses. Hopefully Miami can get at least 1 future possible top 10 (hopefully top 3) pick out of Butler.

BTW, this team loves to overpay it's own players, Martin almost got overpaid but his agent screwed that up. This FO said no to Vincent for 11 mil a year and a year later sent a 1st to pay Rozier nearly 25 mil a year.

[AirP.]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if we start hearing rumors of Philly getting into the Butler trade mix, Morey tried to get him in Houston and he's highly creative with making trades.

[oreon]

It'll be interesting what you think in 2-3 seasons when all the youth will be demanding money for their 2nd contracts... nearly all at once while still having Bam and Herro on near or just max contracts. Herro's got all the leverage for his next contract.

They can want it, but that mindset will likely lead to them getting it elsewhere. Cant play role players premium contracts. Pay those to your real stars. Keep drafting until someone stands out.

You're looking at a future when this team will be paying Bam and Herro max money (until Bam is moved in a year or 2), the future isn't looking bright, it's looking like Beal's Washington Wizards except without the high draft pick misses. Hopefully Miami can get at least 1 future possible top 10 (hopefully top 3) pick out of Butler.

BTW, this team loves to overpay it's own players, Martin almost got overpaid but his agent screwed that up. This FO said no to Vincent for 11 mil a year and a year later sent a 1st to pay Rozier nearly 25 mil a year.

Then just rebuild. The problem with this FO is they drink their own culture cool aid. Culture is important but at the end of the day elite talent is what wins you multiple championships. The best way to get elite talent is draft. Between Bam, Herro and Butler Heat can get 6-8 first round picks back. They may not be the best ones, but you can use them to move up the draft if you need to. But FO has to be willing to be really bad for 3-4 seasons.

[AirP.]

They can want it, but that mindset will likely lead to them getting it elsewhere. Cant play role players premium contracts. Pay those to your real stars. Keep drafting until someone stands out.

You're looking at a future when this team will be paying Bam and Herro max money (until Bam is moved in a year or 2), the future isn't looking bright, it's looking like Beal's Washington Wizards except without the high draft pick misses. Hopefully Miami can get at least 1 future possible top 10 (hopefully top 3) pick out of Butler.

BTW, this team loves to overpay it's own players, Martin almost got overpaid but his agent screwed that up. This FO said no to Vincent for 11 mil a year and a year later sent a 1st to pay Rozier nearly 25 mil a year.

Then just rebuild. The problem with this FO is they drink their own culture cool aid. Culture is important but at the end of the day elite talent is what wins you multiple championships. The best way to get elite talent is draft. Between Bam, Herro and Butler Heat can get 6-8 first round picks back. They may not be the best ones, but you can use them to move up the draft if you need to. But FO has to be willing to be really bad for 3-4 seasons.

The FO has gone down a youth movement path, something Riley would have never done before this last half decade being a fringe contender, that's exactly what he did and with that, lessened Miami's chances to contend the last half decade when they made the finals twice and the ECF 3 times. Miami has been rebuilding if you hadn't noticed, it's something some of us have been saying for years.

[Seabass777]

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Well said by Shams.

We had the opportunity to get Kyrie when his stock was at an all time low because of his scandal, but we passed him up, (he ends up still producing at a high level and making the Finals)

We weren’t able to close the deal for Lillard after him strong arming the Blazers demanding only US, like cmon.

We couldn’t get KD, because of lack of assets understandable.

And we could have gotten Bradley Beal to add to this current core of Jimmy, Bam, and Tyler, but we wanted him to waive his no trade clause first?? Really?? Straight up incompetence.

I don’t blame Jimmy, at all the front office really dropped the ball in the Jimmy Era, I hope we learn from this and do better moving forward, in this next phase of the Bam Tyler Herro build.

[twix2500]

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Well said by Shams.

We had the opportunity to get Kyrie when his stock was at an all time low because of his scandal, but we passed him up, (he ends up still producing at a high level and making the Finals)

We weren’t able to close the deal for Lillard after him strong arming the Blazers demanding only US, like cmon.

We couldn’t get KD, because of lack of assets understandable.

And we could have gotten Bradley Beal to add to this current core of Jimmy, Bam, and Tyler, but we wanted him to waive his no trade clause first?? Really?? Straight up incompetence.

I don’t blame Jimmy, at all the front office really dropped the ball in the Jimmy Era, I hope we learn from this and do better moving forward, in this next phase of the Bam Tyler Herro build.

You were not getting Beal without giving up Herro.

[Seabass777]

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That was really weird. I remember when the Kyle Lowrey trade rumors were happening the Heat made a public statement denying those rumors.

But with Jimmy no formal public statement denying it was made.

[AirP.]

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Well said by Shams.

We had the opportunity to get Kyrie when his stock was at an all time low because of his scandal, but we passed him up, (he ends up still producing at a high level and making the Finals)

We weren’t able to close the deal for Lillard after him strong arming the Blazers demanding only US, like cmon.

We couldn’t get KD, because of lack of assets understandable.

And we could have gotten Bradley Beal to add to this current core of Jimmy, Bam, and Tyler, but we wanted him to waive his no trade clause first?? Really?? Straight up incompetence.

I don’t blame Jimmy, at all the front office really dropped the ball in the Jimmy Era, I hope we learn from this and do better moving forward, in this next phase of the Bam Tyler Herro build.

You were not getting Beal without giving up Herro.

Beal said he called Miami up to say he'd come to Miami and Miami never got back with him or Washington. I think they could have gotten him quite cheaply since Phoenix got him for cheap.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Payton(expiring)
Looney(expiring)
Kuminga(restricted)
Wiggins

2027 1st rd pick

51.0 million

for

Butler
J Rich(expiring)

51.8 million

*Looney, Payton, J Rich, and Kuminga= 27.7 million that could be rerouted to a 3rd team to give Miami a player they want or more assets.

[Seabass777]

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Seems like warriors or bust unless some dark horse jumps in

Give me the Warriors deal. We get Wiggins who would fit in perfectly as an athletic 3&D wing, and we get draft pic compensation.

Herro
Duncan
Wiggins
Bam
Ware

Trade Rozier for Lonzo and a draft pick, and have a potential lineup of:

Ball
Herro
Wiggins
Bam
Ware

[oreon]

You're looking at a future when this team will be paying Bam and Herro max money (until Bam is moved in a year or 2), the future isn't looking bright, it's looking like Beal's Washington Wizards except without the high draft pick misses. Hopefully Miami can get at least 1 future possible top 10 (hopefully top 3) pick out of Butler.

BTW, this team loves to overpay it's own players, Martin almost got overpaid but his agent screwed that up. This FO said no to Vincent for 11 mil a year and a year later sent a 1st to pay Rozier nearly 25 mil a year.

Then just rebuild. The problem with this FO is they drink their own culture cool aid. Culture is important but at the end of the day elite talent is what wins you multiple championships. The best way to get elite talent is draft. Between Bam, Herro and Butler Heat can get 6-8 first round picks back. They may not be the best ones, but you can use them to move up the draft if you need to. But FO has to be willing to be really bad for 3-4 seasons.

The FO has gone down a youth movement path, something Riley would have never done before this last half decade being a fringe contender, that's exactly what he did and with that, lessened Miami's chances to contend the last half decade when they made the finals twice and the ECF 3 times. Miami has been rebuilding if you hadn't noticed, it's something some of us have been saying for years.

C'mon, now. That take make 0 sense. Herro is the only starter under 25. Jovic and Ware barely get minutes. They traded for Rozier. And before that had that trade for Iguodala and before that they traded for Lowry.
Just because they haven't gone all in, doesn't mean they are rebuilding. That's factually not true at all

[oreon]

Well said by Shams.

We had the opportunity to get Kyrie when his stock was at an all time low because of his scandal, but we passed him up, (he ends up still producing at a high level and making the Finals)

We weren’t able to close the deal for Lillard after him strong arming the Blazers demanding only US, like cmon.

We couldn’t get KD, because of lack of assets understandable.

And we could have gotten Bradley Beal to add to this current core of Jimmy, Bam, and Tyler, but we wanted him to waive his no trade clause first?? Really?? Straight up incompetence.

I don’t blame Jimmy, at all the front office really dropped the ball in the Jimmy Era, I hope we learn from this and do better moving forward, in this next phase of the Bam Tyler Herro build.

You were not getting Beal without giving up Herro.

Beal said he called Miami up to say he'd come to Miami and Miami never got back with him or Washington. I think they could have gotten him quite cheaply since Phoenix got him for cheap.

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Beal is the worst contract in the league. Miami made the right decision there

[DayofMourning]

I dont want ANY big money tied up at the end of the year if we move Butler. We have proven we get these deals and are stuck with them till they run out. No more please. Please. Pleeeeeeeease.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[AirP.]

Beal is the worst contract in the league. Miami made the right decision there

As a 3rd option absolutely, he'd have been the first maybe second option, if you look at what he's done this year with KD or Booker out (moving him to 2nd option, which I posted a couple weeks ago) he does much better with the ball in his hands more. Roles matter. Is his contract bad, sure but he'd probably be much more productive in Miami. Also, Miami would have Beal instead of say... Rozier and whoever else they had to move to make the trade work, possibly Robinson but Miami would have wanted a good cheaper player in return at that time.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m on Jimmy’s side in this, the FO has failed Jimmy Bam and Spo in maximizing what’s around them and not getting them the additional guy they needed to get over the top.

That being said, I don’t want anyone getting clock on my team that doesn’t want to be here and doesn’t have a future here. Sit him and find a trade partner. The sooner the better and teams looking for him should prefer him sitting out as well considering he’s injury prone

[AirP.]

I dont want ANY big money tied up at the end of the year if we move Butler. We have proven we get these deals and are stuck with them till they run out. No more please. Please. Pleeeeeeeease.

You probably won't, but what you're not understanding is that you won't get to use that free'd up money, Miami's not just in the tax but the 1st apron, the FO has to get under the tax for the next 2 years. It's quite possible Miami doesn't move Butler and lets him walk for nothing and doesn't really add anyone, and it's possible the roster you see now without Butler is the same one you'll be seeing for the next 2 seasons (minus Rozier after next season).