Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3

[DJ_3_Ball]

Duncan would probably get Joe Harris type of money so I certainly sure Heat can match. And a rebuilding team would totally waste money for a 5/100 since Dunc is more of a system guy and he would not carry a team as a 2nd option or whatsoever. Heat will surely be over the cap if they can sign Kawhi or Lowry while matching any qualifying offer for Duncan anyway.

Just looked up the Joe Harris contract. That is a good template I think.

I agree about Duncan not being a good fit for a rebuilding team. I'm thinking he'd work very well with Luka on the Mavs. We cleared out a lot of cap space for Giannis this summer (like the Heat), and we could give Robinson a very attractive offer (if we don't wind up signing THJ for a hefty contract). I think Robinson would be absolutely lethal with Luka finding him so many quality looks, and it would make teams really second guess doubling Luka.

Makes sense what you're saying about the Heat going over the cap to match Duncan's offer sheet. Although, timing is important. Remember how Kawhi held the entire NBA hostage 2 years ago? Say the Mavs & Robinson agree to an offer sheet right away, and Miami only has what 72 hours to match? But, Kawhi isn't going to make his decision for another 10 days. What do the Heat do then?

[marson]

Duncan would probably get Joe Harris type of money so I certainly sure Heat can match. And a rebuilding team would totally waste money for a 5/100 since Dunc is more of a system guy and he would not carry a team as a 2nd option or whatsoever. Heat will surely be over the cap if they can sign Kawhi or Lowry while matching any qualifying offer for Duncan anyway.

Just looked up the Joe Harris contract. That is a good template I think.

I agree about Duncan not being a good fit for a rebuilding team. I'm thinking he'd work very well with Luka on the Mavs. We cleared out a lot of cap space for Giannis this summer (like the Heat), and we could give Robinson a very attractive offer (if we don't wind up signing THJ for a hefty contract). I think Robinson would be absolutely lethal with Luka finding him so many quality looks, and it would make teams really second guess doubling Luka.

Makes sense what you're saying about the Heat going over the cap to match Duncan's offer sheet. Although, timing is important. Remember how Kawhi held the entire NBA hostage 2 years ago? Say the Mavs & Robinson agree to an offer sheet right away, and Miami only has what 72 hours to match? But, Kawhi isn't going to make his decision for another 10 days. What do the Heat do then?

This is the job for our Front office to decide. But for me, I would wait for Kawhi any day of the week if he becomes available and explore his free agency.

And really depends what happened in your series, let's say if they get bounced out early then there is chance that Kawhi Leaves. So priority is still a whale over Robinson for me.

[DJ_3_Ball]

This is the job for our Front office to decide. But for me, I would wait for Kawhi any day of the week if he becomes available and explore his free agency.

And really depends what happened in your series, let's say if they get bounced out early then there is chance that Kawhi Leaves. So priority is still a whale over Robinson for me.

I'm kinda with ya there. There's only so many top 10 players in the league. If you have a legit shot at Kawhi, you gotta take it.

Plus, while Duncan Robinson is elite, it's still a bigger priority for a team like Dallas with a playmaker like Luka. You look at THJ, he was a career 34% 3pt shooter before joining the Mavs. Now, two seasons at 39%. Or Jae Crowder with PHX this year. Career 34% 3pt shooter, but 38% this year with CP3.

Miami doesn't really have a playmaker like that to give a shooter a bump, so you can "replace" Robinson, if you had to with another high percentage 3pt shooter, who likely wouldn't shoot it quite as well as Robinson but might bring something else to the table like better passing, rebounding, etc.

[marson]

This is the job for our Front office to decide. But for me, I would wait for Kawhi any day of the week if he becomes available and explore his free agency.

And really depends what happened in your series, let's say if they get bounced out early then there is chance that Kawhi Leaves. So priority is still a whale over Robinson for me.

I'm kinda with ya there. There's only so many top 10 players in the league. If you have a legit shot at Kawhi, you gotta take it.

Plus, while Duncan Robinson is elite, it's still a bigger priority for a team like Dallas with a playmaker like Luka. You look at THJ, he was a career 34% 3pt shooter before joining the Mavs. Now, two seasons at 39%. Or Jae Crowder with PHX this year. Career 34% 3pt shooter, but 38% this year with CP3.

Miami doesn't really have a playmaker like that to give a shooter a bump, so you can "replace" Robinson, if you had to with another high percentage 3pt shooter, who likely wouldn't shoot it quite as well as Robinson but might bring something else to the table like better passing, rebounding, etc.

Yes different priorities for each team. I believe we can always find the right shooter for this team. We also have Struss who is bit good defender than Dunc and can somehow fill the gap (just needs playing time). So I'm not too worried for Duncan scenario as long as we can find the next whale for this team.

[Flash4thewin]

This is the job for our Front office to decide. But for me, I would wait for Kawhi any day of the week if he becomes available and explore his free agency.

And really depends what happened in your series, let's say if they get bounced out early then there is chance that Kawhi Leaves. So priority is still a whale over Robinson for me.

I'm kinda with ya there. There's only so many top 10 players in the league. If you have a legit shot at Kawhi, you gotta take it.

Plus, while Duncan Robinson is elite, it's still a bigger priority for a team like Dallas with a playmaker like Luka. You look at THJ, he was a career 34% 3pt shooter before joining the Mavs. Now, two seasons at 39%. Or Jae Crowder with PHX this year. Career 34% 3pt shooter, but 38% this year with CP3.

Miami doesn't really have a playmaker like that to give a shooter a bump, so you can "replace" Robinson, if you had to with another high percentage 3pt shooter, who likely wouldn't shoot it quite as well as Robinson but might bring something else to the table like better passing, rebounding, etc.

Yes different priorities for each team. I believe we can always find the right shooter for this team. We also have Struss who is bit good defender than Dunc and can somehow fill the gap (just needs playing time). So I'm not too worried for Duncan scenario as long as we can find the next whale for this team.

But honestly what connection do we have to Kawhi? He and his crew want nothing of our so called culture. He left the Spurs to live the good life in LA. Kawhi is currently more of a diva than Lebron in his prime here. He will take days off left and right to be ready for the playoffs. I just don’t see it.

[marson]

I'm kinda with ya there. There's only so many top 10 players in the league. If you have a legit shot at Kawhi, you gotta take it.

Plus, while Duncan Robinson is elite, it's still a bigger priority for a team like Dallas with a playmaker like Luka. You look at THJ, he was a career 34% 3pt shooter before joining the Mavs. Now, two seasons at 39%. Or Jae Crowder with PHX this year. Career 34% 3pt shooter, but 38% this year with CP3.

Miami doesn't really have a playmaker like that to give a shooter a bump, so you can "replace" Robinson, if you had to with another high percentage 3pt shooter, who likely wouldn't shoot it quite as well as Robinson but might bring something else to the table like better passing, rebounding, etc.

Yes different priorities for each team. I believe we can always find the right shooter for this team. We also have Struss who is bit good defender than Dunc and can somehow fill the gap (just needs playing time). So I'm not too worried for Duncan scenario as long as we can find the next whale for this team.

But honestly what connection do we have to Kawhi? He and his crew want nothing of our so called culture. He left the Spurs to live the good life in LA. Kawhi is currently more of a diva than Lebron in his prime here. He will take days off left and right to be ready for the playoffs. I just don’t see it.

Maybe because he wanted Jimmy in the first place before PG.

But yeah, I kinda agree with you that the Heat culture may not appeal him and his uncle. But adding Kawhi just simply solves a lot of our issues and can be instant contender right away, so we always have to leave the door open.

[Kobewade11]

Maybe because he wanted Jimmy in the first place before PG.

I wouldn't read much into that. Kawhi was hell bent on going to LA and just wanted any sucker to tag along. KD turned him down, Jimmy wanted to be his own man, and he had to settle for PG. Naturally he tried KD and Jimmy first because they were actually free agents.

[puppa bear]

Maybe because he wanted Jimmy in the first place before PG.

I wouldn't read much into that. Kawhi was hell bent on going to LA and just wanted any sucker to tag along. KD turned him down, Jimmy wanted to be his own man, and he had to settle for PG. Naturally he tried KD and Jimmy first because they were actually free agents.

I think people are looking in the wrong direction here. If Clips get torn down, PG will be the piece that is to be had cheaply. Replacing Ariza with PG would elevate us, and allow us to resign Dipo, Nunn & Robinson. We’re still missing that lead scorer, unless Dipo regains his form, but we have 3 two-way players at the pointy end of our talent pool.

[contract]

I know that after game 1 vs the Bucks some people were ready to throw a pile of money at Robinson, but we should remember that despite his accuracy and his ability to occasionally go off, he averages 13 points a game and he was our 6th leading scorer. He was tied for 5th last season. In other words, he's a 27 year old specialist. More Kyle Korver than Klay Thompson. We may regret not paying him, but we'll regret it more if we do.

[KingDavid]

Kawhi, Dipo, and Jimmy. The defense would be abusive

[HeatIn5]

Throw a max at John Collins

[MettaWorldPanda]

Throw a max at John Collins

Hawks not letting him go. Feel like realistic option is maybe a S&T with Chicago for Markkannen. Maybe sending S&T Nunn and someone else. Another option is Lowry and Ibaka free agency package deal. Herro looks like he’s getting dealt once Robinson is resigned. Feel like we resign Oladipo for super cheap and rehab to Timmy Hardaway status. Strus will be the cheap placeholder at backup SG.

[AirP.]

Throw a max at John Collins

That means releasing cap holds, Atlanta matches and then Miami is even more screwed. Not a great move with 2 of the next 3 1st round Miami picks with other teams.

[Flash4thewin]

Throw a max at John Collins

That means releasing cap holds, Atlanta matches and then Miami is even more screwed. Not a great move with 2 of the next 3 1st round Miami picks with other teams.

Aren't our cap holds basically Dragic and Iguodala? I understand wanting Dragic back but not Iguodala

[DJ_3_Ball]

I know that after game 1 vs the Bucks some people were ready to throw a pile of money at Robinson, but we should remember that despite his accuracy and his ability to occasionally go off, he averages 13 points a game and he was our 6th leading scorer. He was tied for 5th last season. In other words, he's a 27 year old specialist. More Kyle Korver than Klay Thompson. We may regret not paying him, but we'll regret it more if we do.

If I'm a Heat fan, I'd feel the same. For Robinson to be at his best and to be worth a hefty 18-20 mil/year contract, he needs a special playmaker who can create clean looks for him. There's only a few of those guys in the league, Harden, LeBron, Luka, Trae Young, CP3, etc. Spoelstra does a great job finding Duncan looks off handoffs & designed plays, but it's not the same.

I'm hoping my Mavs can pry Robinson away, but if we didn't have Luka, I wouldn't want to pay a premium price for him. The Korver analogy is pretty spot on imo.

[Shootit]

Yea, I'm not feeling giving Robinson a big deal. Loved that we found him/developed him to be this 3 point sniper but if there are some teams that want to give him big money let him walk.

[contract]

I know that after game 1 vs the Bucks some people were ready to throw a pile of money at Robinson, but we should remember that despite his accuracy and his ability to occasionally go off, he averages 13 points a game and he was our 6th leading scorer. He was tied for 5th last season. In other words, he's a 27 year old specialist. More Kyle Korver than Klay Thompson. We may regret not paying him, but we'll regret it more if we do.

If I'm a Heat fan, I'd feel the same. For Robinson to be at his best and to be worth a hefty 18-20 mil/year contract, he needs a special playmaker who can create clean looks for him. There's only a few of those guys in the league, Harden, LeBron, Luka, Trae Young, CP3, etc. Spoelstra does a great job finding Duncan looks off handoffs & designed plays, but it's not the same.

I'm hoping my Mavs can pry Robinson away, but if we didn't have Luka, I wouldn't want to pay a premium price for him. The Korver analogy is pretty spot on imo.

I can't imagine a scenario where Robinson is worth $18 million to $20 million a year. He's not going to be one of your 3 or 4 best players. Paying him that much is signing up to pay the luxury tax every year.

[contract]

Kawhi, Dipo, and Jimmy. The defense would be abusive

If they could all play at once.

[contract]

Throw a max at John Collins

Hawks not letting him go. Feel like realistic option is maybe a S&T with Chicago for Markkannen. Maybe sending S&T Nunn and someone else. Another option is Lowry and Ibaka free agency package deal. Herro looks like he’s getting dealt once Robinson is resigned. Feel like we resign Oladipo for super cheap and rehab to Timmy Hardaway status. Strus will be the cheap placeholder at backup SG.

Markkannen??? Good god, not another high priced beta!

[DJ_3_Ball]

I know that after game 1 vs the Bucks some people were ready to throw a pile of money at Robinson, but we should remember that despite his accuracy and his ability to occasionally go off, he averages 13 points a game and he was our 6th leading scorer. He was tied for 5th last season. In other words, he's a 27 year old specialist. More Kyle Korver than Klay Thompson. We may regret not paying him, but we'll regret it more if we do.

If I'm a Heat fan, I'd feel the same. For Robinson to be at his best and to be worth a hefty 18-20 mil/year contract, he needs a special playmaker who can create clean looks for him. There's only a few of those guys in the league, Harden, LeBron, Luka, Trae Young, CP3, etc. Spoelstra does a great job finding Duncan looks off handoffs & designed plays, but it's not the same.

I'm hoping my Mavs can pry Robinson away, but if we didn't have Luka, I wouldn't want to pay a premium price for him. The Korver analogy is pretty spot on imo.

I can't imagine a scenario where Robinson is worth $18 million to $20 million a year. He's not going to be one of your 3 or 4 best players. Paying him that much is signing up to pay the luxury tax every year.

The Mavs have been paying THJ that much & most Mavs fans are in love with THJ. Duncan is a much better shooter than THJ, and they're comparable elsewhere.

I agree it's a lot of money, but teams set aside a lot of cap space for Giannis & other big name FAs this summer, and the FA pool is shallow. Some team is going to pay him. If it's 5 for 100 or something like that, it won't look too bad by year 4 with the cap continually going up.