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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#981 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu May 12, 2022 5:50 am

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twix2500 wrote:They still want to trade Jimmy. They were just talking about cashing out on trading Jimmy while his stock is high. And to be real, there were a lot of Heat fans who didn't want to trade for Jimmy.

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On a positive note post gm int. Jimmy was asked about Herro getting a lot of attention, double teams & blitzes. Jimmy stated Herro is doing a great job of accepting the blitz & making good reads/plays out of them. He then adds how tough it is to be blitz all the time but said he looks at it as a compliment that you're a very good player if they're constantly sending 2 players @you. In classic Butler form says he mustn't be very good player since they're not doing it to him but he'll take it & ends w/ "keep doubling Tyler" :lol:

An interesting comment that indicates just how dangerous Philly thinks Tyler is to throw couple of bodies at him all series but not Jimmy. Jimmy then feasting on the attention Tyler is receiving. Yet here we are discussing Tyler trade scenarios :-?


Doc Rivers then put himself in hot water w/ Heat fans after saying how Jimmy has been vry comfortable this series & he may have to do something he doesn't want to do. Interesting if they'll now throw numerous bodies @Jimmy instead in gm6 & wether that will help open up Herro's game. One things for certain they will change coverage for Jimmy. Hopefully Herro gets free & explodes to shut fickle fans up for a bit.


Some of them aren't fans. Not Heat fans anyway, just fans of one player on the Heat (who isn't even an all star, so it makes the obsession even more bizarre).

But funny enough, the bold is what I was talking about when it came to giving complete context to Tyler's performance in the game thread. He is actually seeing more pressure than Jimmy. Some actual fans want to hold it against him to say "oh look, teams have finally started to game plan for him and now he's useless". But that's not the case. He's been game planned for since after the bubble. He's just getting blitzed and giving the ball up. If even Jimmy can admit that, just imagine how pointless it is to take seriously the posters who don't recognize it. Then player fans want to ignore context just to look for anything to discredit him while giving passes to players who aren't even being guarded period on offense, let alone double coverage or single coverage like Tyler and JB.

I do want more from Tyler, but more so I want him to attack when he does have the opportunity. Sometimes he's passive even when he has an opening. And that is not acceptable regardless of how he's being guarded. This is the playoffs, there's making the correct read to pass and then there's flat out passiveness. He was passive in quite a few games and that deserves to be called out. I also think he can try to attack inside and draw fouls with the overplaying. And of course during the off season he'll need to put on weight so its not as easy to play him this way. But all the hyperbole is just that from biased fans, and nonsense ramblings from delusional player fans.


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Post#982 » by harlem_ball » Thu May 12, 2022 6:19 am

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Post#983 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Thu May 12, 2022 2:20 pm

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On a positive note post gm int. Jimmy was asked about Herro getting a lot of attention, double teams & blitzes. Jimmy stated Herro is doing a great job of accepting the blitz & making good reads/plays out of them. He then adds how tough it is to be blitz all the time but said he looks at it as a compliment that you're a very good player if they're constantly sending 2 players @you. In classic Butler form says he mustn't be very good player since they're not doing it to him but he'll take it & ends w/ "keep doubling Tyler" :lol:

An interesting comment that indicates just how dangerous Philly thinks Tyler is to throw couple of bodies at him all series but not Jimmy. Jimmy then feasting on the attention Tyler is receiving. Yet here we are discussing Tyler trade scenarios :-?


Doc Rivers then put himself in hot water w/ Heat fans after saying how Jimmy has been vry comfortable this series & he may have to do something he doesn't want to do. Interesting if they'll now throw numerous bodies @Jimmy instead in gm6 & wether that will help open up Herro's game. One things for certain they will change coverage for Jimmy. Hopefully Herro gets free & explodes to shut fickle fans up for a bit.


Some of them aren't fans. Not Heat fans anyway, just fans of one player on the Heat (who isn't even an all star, so it makes the obsession even more bizarre).

But funny enough, the bold is what I was talking about when it came to giving complete context to Tyler's performance in the game thread. He is actually seeing more pressure than Jimmy. Some actual fans want to hold it against him to say "oh look, teams have finally started to game plan for him and now he's useless". But that's not the case. He's been game planned for since after the bubble. He's just getting blitzed and giving the ball up. If even Jimmy can admit that, just imagine how pointless it is to take seriously the posters who don't recognize it. Then player fans want to ignore context just to look for anything to discredit him while giving passes to players who aren't even being guarded period on offense, let alone double coverage or single coverage like Tyler and JB.

I do want more from Tyler, but more so I want him to attack when he does have the opportunity. Sometimes he's passive even when he has an opening. And that is not acceptable regardless of how he's being guarded. This is the playoffs, there's making the correct read to pass and then there's flat out passiveness. He was passive in quite a few games and that deserves to be called out. I also think he can try to attack inside and draw fouls with the overplaying. And of course during the off season he'll need to put on weight so its not as easy to play him this way. But all the hyperbole is just that from biased fans, and nonsense ramblings from delusional player fans.


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Post#984 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Thu May 12, 2022 2:59 pm

Not to get too far ahead of myself but Bud allowing Boston to play Lopez off the court might be a positive development for us. To me, the rim protecting duo of Lopez/Giannis is the most formidable aspect of Milwaukee, if they're willing to match small with us then it's a whole other ballgame

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Post#985 » by al bondiga » Thu May 12, 2022 8:29 pm

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al bondiga wrote:of course Jimmy is a unique player for Miami but I think the max per year should only be reserved for All-Star starters.

come contract time you never know who is going to perform for real, that is why athlete salaries are so fkdup in comparison to real people, so I guess that is why they are not considered real people...jeje

but that is capitalism at its finest
yeah wiggins is not even close to an Elite player ...this season he started in his team but most seasons he shouldn't, I have hope still for him, he is long and with good athleticism but doesn't look very smart, he could become a solid 4th or 5th wheel

Wiggins was an all star starter this season and he I think he wouldn't qualify as an elite player.

Your general point, though, I do agree with.

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Post#986 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri May 13, 2022 5:39 am

The biggest question emerging from this run is this -

Do we have a player, ANYONE - that can step up offensivly and help Jimmy carry the load?

Herro looked ready in the regular season, but not so much in the playoffs.
Bam seems to be taking a step back with his agression.
Dipo doesn't seem ready for such a big role.


And if we don't have that player, can we pull off a champinship with the combination of Bam/Herro/Dipo/Strus stepping up in diffrent games?
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Post#987 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri May 13, 2022 5:55 am

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Post#988 » by marson » Fri May 13, 2022 6:08 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:The biggest question emerging from this run is this -

Do we have a player, ANYONE - that can step up offensivly and help Jimmy carry the load?

Herro looked ready in the regular season, but not so much in the playoffs.
Bam seems to be taking a step back with his agression.
Dipo doesn't seem ready for such a big role.


And if we don't have that player, can we pull off a champinship with the combination of Bam/Herro/Dipo/Strus stepping up in diffrent games?


Yes, it's possible. 2014 Spurs basically did this to us. They didn't even rely on a single guy to carry to load.

It can be anyone from Strus/Dipo/Herro and Lowry. And that's why it's quite tricky for the other team to gameplan, anyone can have a good shooting night and we don't rely on a real 2nd option. Doc's gameplan was to stay on our shooters and let Jimmy do his thing and he failed on that :lol:
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Post#989 » by 3ballbomber » Fri May 13, 2022 6:21 am

RexBoyWonder wrote:The biggest question emerging from this run is this -

Do we have a player, ANYONE - that can step up offensivly and help Jimmy carry the load?

Herro looked ready in the regular season, but not so much in the playoffs.
Bam seems to be taking a step back with his agression.
Dipo doesn't seem ready for such a big role.


And if we don't have that player, can we pull off a champinship with the combination of Bam/Herro/Dipo/Strus stepping up in diffrent games?


Diff match-ups for diff series - I'm sure there will be certain players that will step up the next round. Hell Duncan may even show up & break some record. You just nor know. Herro cld study tapes, figure things out, get loose & have a better round. It's all part of the excitement.

If Jimmy can maintain & stay consistent w/ what his been doing that helps to have a steady hand on offence throughout the PO's. He's a tough mother f*cker that competes hard in the post season. Ultimately if we can do this as a collective even better. Be one of those teams in history that did it together rather than relying on a superstar.
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Post#990 » by 3ballbomber » Fri May 13, 2022 6:36 am

was that a dig on Duncan :lol:

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Post#991 » by Wiltside » Fri May 13, 2022 6:48 am

3ballbomber wrote:was that a dig on Duncan :lol:

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Post#992 » by 3ballbomber » Fri May 13, 2022 7:16 am

Such a luxury to have the depth to fill a calibre point like Lowry & win a series & then still have the possibility to have him back close to 100% healthy :o

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Post#993 » by AirP. » Fri May 13, 2022 1:54 pm

If there's a way to get Thybulle this next off season cheap I hope Miami gets him and develops him. He's a special defensive talent that just needs a defined role and continue to work on their 3pt shot. If you can get Tucker or Butler to take him under his wing Thybulle could end up being a much better player then he currently is, I think Butler would love that guy.

No matter what, Miami HAS to continue to develop players, maybe Marcus Garrett makes a return and continues to develop for Miami. In the current era, I'd rather see Miami get flawed players who can play good to great defense and try to work on their 3pt shot(trainers, technology to help work on their shot) to be rotational role players and continue trading picks/assets for proven high level difference makers.

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Post#995 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri May 13, 2022 1:56 pm

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Post#997 » by Shewasfly » Fri May 13, 2022 2:12 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:The biggest question emerging from this run is this -

Do we have a player, ANYONE - that can step up offensivly and help Jimmy carry the load?

Herro looked ready in the regular season, but not so much in the playoffs.
Bam seems to be taking a step back with his agression.
Dipo doesn't seem ready for such a big role.


And if we don't have that player, can we pull off a champinship with the combination of Bam/Herro/Dipo/Strus stepping up in diffrent games?

I think we will have to have at least one of Bam or Herro step up in the next rounds. I don’t think their coaches will be dumb enough to let Jimmy go one on one. Even if they had that in mind they will have seen how it worked out for Philly and have rethought it by now. I think they will blitz him like they did Tyler this series. Jimmy will still get his bc he’s also great off ball, but it’ll be a change. Tyler will have to win his matchup and that will be extremely hard because both Boston and the Bucks have elite one on one defenders they can still put on him to try to slow him while doubling Jimmy. I’m hoping (yes perhaps foolishly) Bam will be the one to shock us all. I think he has a better chance of consistently getting his against Lopez or Williams/Horford than Tyler against Holiday or Tatum/Brown
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Post#998 » by AirP. » Fri May 13, 2022 2:25 pm

ORTG-DRTG after 2 rounds(11 games).
Duncan keeps falling with every minute he plays.

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Player            ORtg DRtg ORtg-DRtg
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P.J. Tucker       140  106         34
Omer Yurtseven    136  107         29
Jimmy Butler      129  101         28
Duncan Robinson   130  110         20
Bam Adebayo       121  102         19
Haywood Highsmith 121  111         10
Max Strus         114  105          9
Dewayne Dedmon    106  104          2
Victor Oladipo    102  103         -1
Gabe Vincent      103  106         -3
Tyler Herro       101  105         -4
Kyle Lowry        94   104        -10
Caleb Martin      74   100        -26
Markieff Morris   0    103       -103
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Post#999 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Fri May 13, 2022 2:54 pm

Zaslow going on about how the Miami Heat have been an absolute gift for South Florida sports over the past 25 years. Couldn't agree more

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Post#1000 » by DayofMourning » Fri May 13, 2022 3:02 pm

BenoUdrihFTL wrote:Zaslow going on about how the Miami Heat have been an absolute gift for South Florida sports over the past 25 years. Couldn't agree more

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Thank goodness for him. He's brought credibility and structure to the organization.

Would love to see this team get him another ring. From the Dion Waiters led going nowhere teams to championship contenders. They were counted out by almost everyone.

I'm a lucky sports fan. I became a Heat fan because I was a player fan of Alonzo. Little did I know Miami would turn out to be one of the NBA's model franchises.

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