Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[3ballbomber]

Spoiler:

Just saw the PG press conference... Jimmy says his ankle is fine and had 0 effect on his play

what? more "nobody cares" stuff or is he serious

He's not serious. Jimmy doesn't like to make any excuses, he's always going to say he was healthy. He said this in the game after he injured it too.

To anyone watching Jimmy play it was obvious he was injured and playing through it.

If absolutely nothing will be revealed about what was truly wrong w/ Jimmy & have us all in a permanent state of bafflement & perplexity I will go completely crazy for the rest of my life

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Totes understand toughness & honor but eventually some sort of explanation/elaboration is needed because if "he's fine" then he choked & we know Jimmy doesn't choke. If it were a normal game, or even the 1st round ok fine.....but it was the NBA bloody Finals. We need more information....

[powerball1373]

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Hope you’re ready to pay the tax Micky!!

Anybody saying the money works right now in the trade checker because they can match salaries has absolutely no idea how the money works. Micky's money has never worked this way. We are not going to be a super tax team or a repeater tax team in the future. It's fan wishful thinking.

MWP dropping too many uncomfortable truth bombs in this thread. The trade machine is both the best and worst thing - keeps fans engaged, but produces a bunch of hopium-fueled trades that never happen - how many people had the Goebert, KD, Wiseman/GP2, Westbrook/DLo, Kyrie, or Rui trades fired up in the ol' trade machine beforehand? Anyone?

Most of the ones posted remind me of trading basketball cards with friends as a kid. "What if I give you these cards I don't really want (but you should want them!) for your cards that I want! The price guide says they're about equal value, so it's totally fair! Trust me bro!"

[dean456]

i cant believe that people want kevin love back knowing that he's on his last legs as a basketball player.

do you guys seriously think that he can endure another 82 game season?

I don't think it's about him coming back and having a solidified playing role.

The fact that he came in and our season seemingly turned around and we made a pretty historical playoff run shows that he has value as a locker room precense.

Robinson mentioned this in the podcast he did with JJ Reddick during the playoffs saying that Love brought a whole new energy to the locker room and the group started having a lot more fun.

You bring Love back on a 2yr vet min contract which for him would be roughly 3mil and use him as a PF/C insurance in case someones resting or injured.

This is especially important next season because UD is also retiring. So his precense in the locker room will be valuable.

[3ballbomber]

It's getting real f*ckin tiring. It irks the f*ck outta me. That fat tub of lard lucked out vs a depleted & hobbled opponent. Pat needs to re-up, finally bolster this team w/ the necessary needed upgrade....Kyrie, Lillard, Beal IDGAF.......hopefully meet those showboating, undeserving f*cksin the finals & rip out their shearts the way we shld've the 1st time had Jimmy been healthy. Sack of potato needs to be taught a lesson.

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[Daffy]

"He also has a 15% trade kicker, though his salary in 2023/24 will likely be above the league-wide max, so that kicker wouldn’t be applied."

Yeah I believe this is correct. So would this mean Beal's trade kicker would be waived?

What would be the league wide max salary? Steph would be earning 51.9mil next season so would that mean Washington would need to pay the difference 5.2mil? Or would it be based on 10+yr max in 2023-2024 which is basically what Beal is currently getting?

Yes, it would be waived. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I fully understand the cap, so I won't be able to answer your 2nd paragraph. Sorry man.

[Timantha]

Stop getting scared about the trade kicker stuff with Beal's contract. He's already making the max, so the trade kicker is invalid. Beal doesn't have to waive it or anything. His salary can't go any further up. If it ever did go up, Washington would be paying it not us. It's only there in case the cap spikes from a new media deal. It's also a nice fancy thing to put into a max contract, so fans are like woww fancy. Trade kickers are more useful for mid-tier players. Ex) Caleb Martin has a 15% trade kicker, so if we trade him his salary goes up 15% and Miami would pay that extra amount

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[dean456]

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Hope you’re ready to pay the tax Micky!!

Anybody saying the money works right now in the trade checker because they can match salaries has absolutely no idea how the money works. Micky's money has never worked this way. We are not going to be a super tax team or a repeater tax team in the future. It's fan wishful thinking.

MWP dropping too many uncomfortable truth bombs in this thread. The trade machine is both the best and worst thing - keeps fans engaged, but produces a bunch of hopium-fueled trades that never happen - how many people had the Goebert, KD, Wiseman/GP2, Westbrook/DLo, Kyrie, or Rui trades fired up in the ol' trade machine beforehand? Anyone?

Most of the ones posted remind me of trading basketball cards with friends as a kid. "What if I give you these cards I don't really want (but you should want them!) for your cards that I want! The price guide says they're about equal value, so it's totally fair! Trust me bro!"

We already in a situation where we are an above upper tax apron team if we fill out a team.

Only way Micky is getting out of that is if he
- Doesn't re-sign any free agents Strus/Gabe/Yurt
- Waive's and stretches Oladipo
- Trades Martin for cap room/pick.
- Signs 6 remaining roster spots to Vet Min/Undrafted guys.

With that we'd only just get below the upper apron and Micky would still be paying a near 30mil tax bill.

We'd be replacing 3 starting players with vet min/undrafted guys.

If Micky plans to go that route, I'd honestly prefer he blow up the team and rebuild if that's the case. No point trying to compete if that's what we doing after getting to the finals.

[3ballbomber]

All this sh*t talk has to have reached Butler & his camp. I hope he comes back w/ a bigger chip on his shoulder.

If Jimmy is serious about sniffing a title and is smart, he'd have learned from history & start wearing a damn ankle brace like Curry did after so many turns. If we go deep & he twists it again w/ no protection i'm not going to feel sorry for him. He needs to do all he can to protect his ankles.

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[3ballbomber]

I absolutely agree w/ JJ. The big-3 era did not just negatively influence the NBA but it influenced domestic & youth leagues negatively around the globe. As a youth coach here in Australia i was completely irritated w/ so many kids wanting to team up to stack their teams after seeing what Miami did in 2010. Every other team had to do the same just to keep up. It was horrible. We've now since put by-laws in place to prevent this bullsh*T frm happening again.

JJ mentions 2010 obviously speaking about the Big-3. Ironically we're the same team wanting to land Dame, though this time we've built our roster the right way. Hopefully we have accumulated enough karma points to wash away the sins of the past.

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[Timantha]

[dean456]

Okay I have been thinking about possibilities that wouldn't put us above the second tax apron and still improve the team. Here is what I came up with.

We would have to trade our 2023 pick along with Robinson to a team with cap room to absorb his salary.

We could trade Duncan and #18 to SA for cash and #32 or #44.

We waive and stretch Oladipo.

We re-sign Gabe to a 3yr 27mil deal starting at 8.8mil

Then trade Herro, Lowry, 2028FRP for Beal and Morris.

Re-sign Love for Vet min

Re-sign Yurt for Vet min

target a backup SG for the vet min - Matisse Thybulle or Josh Okogie.

Draft a PG or a SF/PF with #32 or #44

Bring back Cain/Robinson and another 2-way guy from undrafted pool.

Gabe/Morris/#32
Beal/Thybulle/Cain
Butler/Highsmith/Undrafted
Martin/Jovic/Love
Bam/Yurt/Robinson

That would keep us below the second tax apron. Bench scoring would be a little suspect but they would be solid defensively and we'd have more star power that we can stagnate with those guys. Got to hope Jovic gives us a spark.

[iamoti]

Okay I have been thinking about possibilities that wouldn't put us above the second tax apron and still improve the team. Here is what I came up with.

We would have to trade our 2023 pick along with Robinson to a team with cap room to absorb his salary.

We could trade Duncan and #18 to SA for cash and #32 or #44.

We waive and stretch Oladipo.

We re-sign Gabe to a 3yr 27mil deal starting at 8.8mil

Then trade Herro, Lowry, 2028FRP for Beal and Morris.

Re-sign Love for Vet min

Re-sign Yurt for Vet min

target a backup SG for the vet min - Matisse Thybulle or Josh Okogie.

Draft a PG or a SF/PF with #32 or #44

Bring back Cain/Robinson and another 2-way guy from undrafted pool.

Gabe/Morris/#32
Beal/Thybulle/Cain
Butler/Highsmith/Undrafted
Martin/Jovic/Love
Bam/Yurt/Robinson

That would keep us below the second tax apron. Bench scoring would be a little suspect but they would be solid defensively and we'd have more star power that we can stagnate with those guys. Got to hope Jovic gives us a spark.

We need to keep either Robinson or Strus. Gabe will get more on the open market. Pass on Thybulle he is terrible. Also Beal's contract is a major red flag. One of the worst contracts in the league.

Nr.1 option get Lillard. If we strike out i would go on a different route.

- get Lopez with the MLE
- let Strus walk
- resign Gabe up to 3/36 po last year
- Lowry + Jovic + picks for either Siakam or OG
- Oladipo + pick for Delon Wright
- resign Love vet min
- get Dragic as 3rd string pg for vet min

we roll with:

Vincent/DWright/Dragic
Herro/Robinson
Butler/Highsmith
Siakam or OG/Martin/Love
Bam/Lopez

You got everything in that lineup



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[unowen85]

Unless the consensus is that the Heat majorly fleeced the Wizards in the trade for Beal, then it’s a bad one. Riley gave scraps for Butler and Beal isn’t better than Butler.

[dean456]

Okay I have been thinking about possibilities that wouldn't put us above the second tax apron and still improve the team. Here is what I came up with.

We would have to trade our 2023 pick along with Robinson to a team with cap room to absorb his salary.

We could trade Duncan and #18 to SA for cash and #32 or #44.

We waive and stretch Oladipo.

We re-sign Gabe to a 3yr 27mil deal starting at 8.8mil

Then trade Herro, Lowry, 2028FRP for Beal and Morris.

Re-sign Love for Vet min

Re-sign Yurt for Vet min

target a backup SG for the vet min - Matisse Thybulle or Josh Okogie.

Draft a PG or a SF/PF with #32 or #44

Bring back Cain/Robinson and another 2-way guy from undrafted pool.

Gabe/Morris/#32
Beal/Thybulle/Cain
Butler/Highsmith/Undrafted
Martin/Jovic/Love
Bam/Yurt/Robinson

That would keep us below the second tax apron. Bench scoring would be a little suspect but they would be solid defensively and we'd have more star power that we can stagnate with those guys. Got to hope Jovic gives us a spark.

We need to keep either Robinson or Strus. Gabe will get more on the open market. Pass on Thybulle he is terrible. Also Beal's contract is a major red flag. One of the worst contracts in the league.

Nr.1 option get Lillard. If we strike out i would go on a different route.

- get Lopez with the MLE
- let Strus walk
- resign Gabe up to 3/36 po last year
- Lowry + Jovic + picks for either Siakam or OG
- Oladipo + pick for Delon Wright
- resign Love vet min
- get Dragic as 3rd string pg for vet min

we roll with:

Vincent/DWright/Dragic
Herro/Robinson
Butler/Highsmith
Siakam or OG/Martin/Love
Bam/Lopez

You got everything in that lineup

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Options are limited for guys who would be getting the Vet Min that could potentially contribute to this roster. Thybulle definitely has his flaws but I think he is someone Miami can mold. He's a solid defender and could be a decent 3 and D guy with the right development.

Another guy I'd be interested on taking a flyer on if Portland don't pick him back up and if there isn't much interest around the league is Cam Reddish. If he moves this offseason it would be his 4th team in 4yrs. So I could see him seeing Miami as a destination that could give him the structure to unlock some potential and give him an opportunity to improve his image.

We are not getting Brook Lopez for the MLE and he's definitely not coming here to play off the bench for a discount. We only have access to the 6.8mil MLE unless we shed like 20mil of salary to get access to the full MLE 12mil. I think Lopez will get at least 20mil easily on the open market.

Not sure I'd like what it would cost to acquire Siakam or OG but wouldn't be mad at it for the right price.

I'd be down for Dragic as a 3rd string. He was always a good locker room guy.

Delon Wright would be a nice backup option. I wouldn't give up a pick for him though, even if they take Oladipo back. Wright is on an expiring deal. Trading a FRP for probably 1yr rental would be bad asset management. For a 2nd maybe but we only have 2nds in 2026 and 2029

[SA37]

Not sure on the precise numbers, but if Miami trades for Beal, Herro and Robinson both have to go (although not necessarily in the same trade).

If Windhort is correct and Beal's trade value is much lower than one would think, Miami might be able to get away with a trade like the following:

Miami gets: Beal and Kispert

Wizards get: Lowry, Kennard, and 2023 pick and 1-2 pick swaps

Memphis gets: Duncan Robinson and a pick (from Miami)


Miami could then turn around package Herro, Jovic and Oladipo elsewhere. Maybe to Atlanta for Collins and Bogdanovic?

Re-sign Vincent and Love


Bam / Zeller?
Collins / Love
Butler / Martin / Highsmith
Beal / Kispert
Vincent / Bogdanovic


Maybe to Charlotte for PJ Washington and Rozier?

Bam / Zeller?
Washington / Love
Butler / Martin / Highsmith
Beal / Kispert
Vincent / Rozier

[MettaWorldPanda]

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I like the Marks trade cause it will be easier to dump Lowry’s deal. Taking Lowry out means no Monte Morris though. I’ll take either variation.

[dean456]

Unless the consensus is that the Heat majorly fleeced the Wizards in the trade for Beal, then it’s a bad one. Riley gave scraps for Butler and Beal isn’t better than Butler.

Honestly I think the Herro, Lowry and future FRP for Beal and Monte Morris or Delon Wright makes the most sense from what I have seen.

I don't think that would be an awful trade. Beal's contract is an albatross, his production has been down from his peak in recent years and Miami would also be inheriting his no trade clause with that contract so we'd be locked in. But I think there's a very good chance that when Beal's on a team that's competing he'll get his play back to where it was a few years ago.

To me essentially its trading your young talent in Herro and a future pick for a guy that fits your timeline to win now. Lowry would be a throw in as we likely wouldn't be committed to him past next season.

It would be similar to the trade we made for Jimmy when he came here. Richardson, Whiteside, Harkless and a future FRP for Butler and Myers Leonard

[eddieheatfan]

i cant believe that people want kevin love back knowing that he's on his last legs as a basketball player.

do you guys seriously think that he can endure another 82 game season?

I don't think it's about him coming back and having a solidified playing role.

The fact that he came in and our season seemingly turned around and we made a pretty historical playoff run shows that he has value as a locker room precense.

Robinson mentioned this in the podcast he did with JJ Reddick during the playoffs saying that Love brought a whole new energy to the locker room and the group started having a lot more fun.

You bring Love back on a 2yr vet min contract which for him would be roughly 3mil and use him as a PF/C insurance in case someones resting or injured.

This is especially important next season because UD is also retiring. So his precense in the locker room will be valuable.

i see your point. however, i'm doubtful about him being effective from now on. some ppl here claim that he steals rebounds from bam and to an certain extent that its true. i want bam to get more rebounds since rebounding is really an issue with this team as currently construed.

lets see what happens.

[dean456]

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I like the Marks trade cause it will be easier to dump Lowry’s deal. Taking Lowry out means no Monte Morris though. I’ll take either variation.

Depends how responsive Wizards would be to taking on Duncan's salary. As a rebuilding team I feel like they'd prefer the expiring money.

Not going to be much easier to trade Lowry for cap space, basically we are dealing with 5 teams, Houston, Utah, San Antonio, Pistons and OKC who would have the cap room required to absorb Lowry's contract. Would likely still cost us a pick to do that. Probably more cleaner to include Lowry in the Beal deal and get a player back we can use.

Will say though if we somehow end up trading both Herro and Robinson while losing Strus to FA. That's going to be a lot of specialist shooting we'll be lacking even if it means bringing in Beal. Hopefully he makes up for what we'd be lacking.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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I like the Marks trade cause it will be easier to dump Lowry’s deal. Taking Lowry out means no Monte Morris though. I’ll take either variation.

Depends how responsive Wizards would be to taking on Duncan's salary. As a rebuilding team I feel like they'd prefer the expiring money.

Not going to be much easier to trade Lowry for cap space, basically we are dealing with 5 teams, Houston, Utah, San Antonio, Pistons and OKC who would have the cap room required to absorb Lowry's contract. Would likely still cost us a pick to do that. Probably more cleaner to include Lowry in the Beal deal and get a player back we can use.

Will say though if we somehow end up trading both Herro and Robinson while losing Strus to FA. That's going to be a lot of specialist shooting we'll be lacking even if it means bringing in Beal. Hopefully he makes up for what we'd be lacking.

I think if all these moves are made and the salary dumping with the full intentions of resigning Vincent and Strus