Izzy Gutierrez from the Herald on Lebron coming here

Post #1 » by **Lane1974** » Sat May 15, 2010 2:48 pm

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/15/1 ... #storyBody

nice column (for us)

Iputsomepantson · Post #2 » by **Iputsomepantson** » Sat May 15, 2010 3:07 pm

He does have a point, Lebron could not possibly get placed in a better situation than playing with Wade (unless the Lakers make a move).

Derrick Rose may be good, but the Bulls roster with Lebron would be no better than the Cavs roster is right now with Lebron.

Chris Bosh is also good, but he is no Wade.

So will we see Lebron come to Miami? I hope so. Lebron would make Chalmers look like Mo Williams, Wade look like Wade from 2006, and oh wait, I don't think we can assume anyone else will be on the roster next year....

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #3 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Sat May 15, 2010 4:48 pm

Iputsomepantson wrote:
So will we see Lebron come to Miami? I hope so. Lebron would make Chalmers look like Mo Williams, Wade look like Wade from 2006, and oh wait, I don't think we can assume anyone else will be on the roster next year....

DWadeno3 · Post #4 » by **DWadeno3** » Sat May 15, 2010 7:31 pm

Iputsomepantson wrote:He does have a point, Lebron could not possibly get placed in a better situation than playing with Wade (unless the Lakers make a move).

Derrick Rose may be good, but the Bulls roster with Lebron would be no better than the Cavs roster is right now with Lebron.

Chris Bosh is also good, but he is no Wade.

So will we see Lebron come to Miami? I hope so. Lebron would make Chalmers look like Mo Williams, Wade look like Wade from 2006, and oh wait, I don't think we can assume anyone else will be on the roster next year....

Wade certainly doesn't need James to look like his dominant self. He just needs to work hard enough in the offseason.

BigDaddyPR · Post #5 » by **BigDaddyPR** » Sat May 15, 2010 8:17 pm

VERY possible right now, i would say Miami is a more prob destination then NY or any other place, Cleveland imo is out of the picture unless they make some MAJOR moves this summer, NY has no talent, unless Wade and Lebron both sign with them, but Miami has a much lower state tax, and a decently big market. IF Riley decides to coach this team Wade will resign, and either Lebron, Bosh or probably Amare will end up here. And of course,, Shaq for the vets min!!

Flame away!! LOL!!

justinnum1 · Post #6 » by **justinnum1** » Sat May 15, 2010 8:42 pm

Shaq will never play a game here again, but if winning is really all that matters to lebron than Miami has to be a top consideration.

Heat3 · Post #7 » by **Heat3** » Sat May 15, 2010 9:08 pm

lol, they always say Lebron and Wade won't share the spotlight and can't play together in Miami, but there are no problems in NY LOL Finally an article on our side.

Don't see how anyone on Chicago is more desirable to play with than Wade. Sure they have a more complete team, but teaming up with Wade and possible attracting a 3rd major FA could make one of the greatest teams of all time down here!

Chosen01 · Post #8 » by **Chosen01** » Sat May 15, 2010 9:23 pm

Iputsomepantson wrote:He does have a point, Lebron could not possibly get placed in a better situation than playing with Wade (unless the Lakers make a move).

Derrick Rose may be good, but the Bulls roster with Lebron would be no better than the Cavs roster is right now with Lebron.

Chris Bosh is also good, but he is no Wade.

So will we see Lebron come to Miami? I hope so. Lebron would make Chalmers look like Mo Williams, Wade look like Wade from 2006, and oh wait, I don't think we can assume anyone else will be on the roster next year....

Ermm 08 wade is better than 06 wade, he doesn't need James for that. 06 wade was just quicker. Give Wade decent teams i have no problem saying he would avg 27 and 7.8

CoolD · Post #9 » by **CoolD** » Sun May 16, 2010 6:28 am

I kind of find it odd, not putting
Wade, Bron and Bosh.
He said,
Wade, Bron, and Amare/Or Boozer

I think Bosh wouldn't mind being the Rodman, hardly any knows him, unless you follow the NBA closely, but if Bosh comes, he woud become a household name within a minute, in that type of team.

Oh yeah I wouldn't mind Amare, but with LeBron in the picture.
Bosh probably fits a little bit better, better And1 player.
But if we don't land LeBron, and say Joe Johnson, I think Amare fits much better next to Wade and Joe.
But Bosh fits better next to bron and Wade.
But ofcourse I would even take fat lard Shaq back, if he convinces Bron to come.
Then will dump his ass after the season is over, Bron Wade and Bosh still in our team.

Iputsomepantson · Post #10 » by **Iputsomepantson** » Mon May 17, 2010 1:08 am

Come on, you're starting to debate whether 06 Wade is like 08 Wade?

How do you kill that which has no life?

Heat3 · Post #11 » by **Heat3** » Mon May 17, 2010 1:16 am

2008 Wade > 2006 Wade.

The ROY · Post #12 » by **The ROY** » Mon May 17, 2010 8:46 am

Iputsomepantson wrote:He does have a point, Lebron could not possibly get placed in a better situation than playing with Wade (unless the Lakers make a move).

Derrick Rose may be good, but the Bulls roster with Lebron would be no better than the Cavs roster is right now with Lebron.

Chris Bosh is also good, but he is no Wade.

So will we see Lebron come to Miami? I hope so. Lebron would make Chalmers look like Mo Williams, Wade look like Wade from 2006, and oh wait, I don't think we can assume anyone else will be on the roster next year....

LMAO....Derrick Rose becomes the best player he's ever played with and he gets a player in Noah who's argubly better than anyone else on the cavs.

Plus Luol, Kirk and our first all-rookie teamer in Taj Gibson?

No, I'd say we're a bit better than that Cavs team WITH Lebron

Don't kid urself

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #13 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Mon May 17, 2010 9:05 am

The ROY wrote:
Iputsomepantson wrote:He does have a point, Lebron could not possibly get placed in a better situation than playing with Wade (unless the Lakers make a move).

Derrick Rose may be good, but the Bulls roster with Lebron would be no better than the Cavs roster is right now with Lebron.

Chris Bosh is also good, but he is no Wade.

So will we see Lebron come to Miami? I hope so. Lebron would make Chalmers look like Mo Williams, Wade look like Wade from 2006, and oh wait, I don't think we can assume anyone else will be on the roster next year....

LMAO....Derrick Rose becomes the best player he's ever played with and he gets a player in Noah who's argubly better than anyone else on the cavs.

Plus Luol, Kirk and our first all-rookie teamer in Taj Gibson?

No, I'd say we're a bit better than that Cavs team WITH Lebron

Don't kid urself

Dude, there's a thousand threads about LeBron to the Bulls on your board. Not to mention Bulls fans have taken over the "LeBron thread" on the general board. You don't have to come in here and cry for attention, too.

Oh, and the way you worded that at the end was confusing, but if you're saying the Bulls right now are better than the Cavs right now, gtfo of here. You played in the playoffs, and lost 4-1.

BlueCafe · Post #14 » by **BlueCafe** » Mon May 17, 2010 10:17 am

'08 Wade was the best player on the planet. Can't wait to see that version in 2010 when all this mess is settled.

Chosen01 · Post #15 » by **Chosen01** » Mon May 17, 2010 12:52 pm

Wait What what

Rose>Mo
Delonte/Paker> Kirk
Lebron=Lebron
Jamison>Deng
Z/Shaq<Noah i guess

even though this is just on paper, Bulls would have no depth, even if you want to argue that chicago with bulls are better, it aint much at all, and I can see them losing in the 2nd round game 6-7 scenario.

Its a decent Lineup but it anything jizz over.

Now this

who cares
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Who cares <<<< this alone is jizz worthy.

HeatSince88 · Post #16 » by **HeatSince88** » Mon May 17, 2010 1:47 pm

Thing is Chosen01, we are set up no better for adding Bosh to a LeBron/Wade core than Chicago is for adding Bosh to a LeBron/Rose core.

Your scenario assumes we trade Beasley, JJ, Cook, #1 either in sign-and-trade or in a salary dump, thus enabling us to add Bosh to a Wade/LeBron core.

Likewise, Chicago can concoct a scenario where they send out some combo of Deng, and/or Hinrich, and/or picks to clear the same slot for Bosh. In fact, there's a good case to be made that Colangelo would prefer Deng and Hinrich in a sign-and-trade over Beasley plus scraps ... or that some team with cap room would prefer Deng + picks to Beasley + trash.

So we need to get out of this mindset that we're the only team that can add 2 max guys to go with our current star. We are not currently set up for that. The assumption that we CAN be set up for that if we wanted to can be made by other teams as well, like Chicago dumping Deng just like we think we can dump Beasley, JJ, and Cook.

Lord Leoshes · Post #17 » by **Lord Leoshes** » Mon May 17, 2010 2:01 pm

Wade, Bosh, & Bron are

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSCYmV3_r6k

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #18 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Mon May 17, 2010 2:02 pm

My only issue is I just don't think its going to be that easy to "dump" Deng. Essentially, Chicago is asking a team to sign Deng to a 4-year 50 million dollar deal, because that's what he's got left on his contract.

Conversely, if Miami wants to lose Beasley, Cook and their pick, they are only asking a team to take on about 14 million in guaranteed salary, including about 8 million for this upcoming season. And Beasley alone arguably has more value than Deng due to cost.

The thing is, we have a lot less money to shed than Chicago does to reach 3 max status. But I agree, its probably premature to be assuming it at this point.

EDIT: One other point to consider. If we sign one guy outright, the other guy could be signed and traded for with us going over the cap, using just say Beasley and a pick. I think a Cleveland or Toronto would be more interested in that than taking on a large contract like Deng's, but that's just my opinion.

Chosen01 · Post #19 » by **Chosen01** » Mon May 17, 2010 2:02 pm

HeatSince88 wrote:Thing is Chosen01, we are set up no better for adding Bosh to a LeBron/Wade core than Chicago is for adding Bosh to a LeBron/Rose core.

Your scenario assumes we trade Beasley, JJ, Cook, #1 either in sign-and-trade or in a salary dump, thus enabling us to add Bosh to a Wade/LeBron core.

Likewise, Chicago can concoct a scenario where they send out some combo of Deng, and/or Hinrich, and/or picks to clear the same slot for Bosh. In fact, there's a good case to be made that Colangelo would prefer Deng and Hinrich in a sign-and-trade over Beasley plus scraps ... or that some team with cap room would prefer Deng + picks to Beasley + trash.

So we need to get out of this mindset that we're the only team that can add 2 max guys to go with our current star. We are not currently set up for that. The assumption that we CAN be set up for that if we wanted to can be made by other teams as well, like Chicago dumping Deng just like we think we can dump Beasley, JJ, and Cook.

You must have not seen Deng/Kirks contracts thats the whole point. Even Chicago fans are saying their contracts are almost immovable. Beasley may have not lived up to his hype, but hes still 21 and could possibly put up Deng's production of 17 and 7 while making less money. Wizards have already stated they are interested in Beasley, as well as NO and NJ.Moving Beasley,cook,JJ, #1 is MUCH more easier to move than Deng/Kirk.

HeatSince88 · Post #20 » by **HeatSince88** » Mon May 17, 2010 2:17 pm

The Bulls can add Noah to a deal if it means getting Bosh back. And/or Taj Gibson. They can do Deng, Noah, Gibson for Bosh in order to pair him with Rose/LeBron.

No matter what scenario a Miami fan can dream up that clears us of Beasley/JJ/Cook (New Orleans taking on a salary dump? Really?) ... Chicago fans can dream up a similar scenario.

Bottom line is, neither team is set up to add both Bosh and LeBron right now, but both have a chance to if they find someone to clear another $9M+ for them. So saying "we can pair Lebron with Bosh, Chicago cannot" just isn't accurate.