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I just want to make it clear that Im not living in the past while we currently have the greatest NBA core ever assembled. I only want to bring up a troubling issue that has been a topic of conversation for 2+ years.

Dorrell wright is proving that his all around game is legit in GS, while Beas is becoming the focal point of the Minnesota offense. I am 100% happy with the way things have turned out, but the initial success of these guys concerns me about our own ability to develop young talent. Both guys have been given a chance to sink or swim, a right only extended to vets in miami, and they seem better for it. I'm not sitting here wishing that both guys were still on the team, but it kind of validates what we have been saying about player development in south florida. We have purged ourselves of all our young talent anyway, so I guess the problem has solved itself for now. Any thoughts.

To add either of these guys, you have to give up Mike Miller and Beasley.

Would you take Dorell over Miller? I wouldn't. Would you take Beasley over Haslem? I know a lot on this board would, but for this team, I wouldn't.

Wade prefers Haslem. That is why one of them is here and the other got shipped off to America's Siberia.

This is not about whether we should have kept them. This has nothing to do with our front office. WE MADE ALL THE RIGHT MOVES. I honestly wanted them gone during last offseason. I didnt shed a tear giving up Beas for a future nobody, and I didn't even notice wright was gone.

This is about why they couldnt contribute in their time here. We had two guys who are going to show that they are well above average starters, yet they were percieved as utter crap over the last two seasons.

Beasley's immaturity and self centered ways would end up being locker room poison.

Going to Minny was the best thing for him. He always wanted to be on a team were he was the man. He held a grudge that Wade was the man and not him, because he could not shine.

Thus his goals are more for the self. He is not at the level that he will do anything to win a ship.

After 7 years in the league, Wade/Bron/Bosh are at that level were all the wants is ring(s).

Beasley is not there yet.

abark please let it go. It was a tough decision for Riley to let both Wright and Beasley go. But we did replace them with legit players. The big three took less money in trade of keeping Haslem. Once we agree to keep Haslem it was time to move Beasley. It would of been great to have Beasley scoring off the bench. I cant be too greedy, it was more than I thought we could get with adding the big three and getting Halsem and Miller long term. Hell i didnt think we would get James. This is more than i dreamed of, so even thou I think Beasley is going to be a very good player Im not going to complain exception is Joel Anthony. LOL

OK I guess everyone wants to move on. I'm so satisfied with our current position that I don't mind talking about our recent failures. Other teams have watch threads for their recently released young guys. But, If none of you are curious as to why Dorrell will be a 15, 6, 3 guy this year but he wasnt **** in half a decade for us, then I'll let it go.

Wait a minute, you think Dorell's 15/6/3 in Golden State counts the same as anywhere else?

You know Monta Ellis had 48 points the other night right? Maybe we should trade Wade for him.

Really all you're doing is proving the notion that stats don't mean everything. There is such a thing as empty numbers. If either of their teams win more than 30 games, then I'll be a believer.

And again, the regular season is a couple games old.

I agree with abark, all of the young talent that we try to develop and put high expectations on flourishes when they get traded away. And to say that Beasley held a grudge on Wade because he was the man is non sense. It was more in the bounds of our organization treating the Kid with no respect what so ever when he did everything that was asked of him. I think it was more of Wade hating on Beasley and not wanting to help him then Beasley hating on Wade.. all that Michael wanted was to be acknowledge and made part of the team. Haslem was pretty much the only player that tried to help Mike out and point him in the right direction.

And the truth is, we suck at taking young players to the next level, which I believe has to do with the old school philosophy that our organization lives by.

lol at abark for bringing this up....

anyway 1/2 us us are secretly watching Beas and Dorell with their new teams too. It is what it is. im not going to talk about it.

But if i was to talk about it id say Dorell would have gotten his chance if not for the last minute to aquire Wades friend Q and gift him the starting role. Q was/is overrated and glad Orlando is dealing with that now.

Id also say Beas wasn't bad, by far our second best player that produced without a set offense or offensive plays run for him, playing out of position, and while taking the brunt of the blame for any three point shot scored against the Heat.

We could have kept him but I think Riley liked him and did him a favor. Rare for a GM to do but I really think Riley freed Beas more than anything.

Bosh (like Beas) doesnt look so good either giving him the ball on the wing all alone and telling him to create... Only superior talents like Lebron and Wade can bail a team out from that kind of offensive philosophy.

Jury is still out of DW1 and Beasley its only been a few games. Heat had to make sacrifices to make things work and things are working.

Its easier to put up numbers on the Twolves and Warriors..

But I disagree about Beasley and Wright not being good for us ..maybe they werent Carmelo 2.0 and Tmac 2.0 like people wanted , but they played well last season for us for the most part. (in the regular season)

Actually, I wouldn't mind having 25 y.o. Dorell over Mike Miller at this point.

20/5 on 55.6% FG and 64.3% 3pt Shooting.

DWright showed last season - when he was with us - what he had. That's why he got the contract offer from GS

Beas - is still a work in progress but few of us doubted he'd be good - just not the right man at the right time in Miami.

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Wait a minute, you think Dorell's 15/6/3 in Golden State counts the same as anywhere else?

You know Monta Ellis had 48 points the other night right? Maybe we should trade Wade for him.

Really all you're doing is proving the notion that stats don't mean everything. There is such a thing as empty numbers. If either of their teams win more than 30 games, then I'll be a believer.

And again, the regular season is a couple games old.

+1. Oh and didn't you watch last season because that actually was Dorell's breakout year. He finally developed into a consistent force on both ends of the court which could play decent defense, hit threes and even create a little bit off the dribble. He's not doing that many different things in Golden State except for having more playing time and possessions, due to the Warriors' higher pace, to produce.

I haven't watched a regular season game of the Wolves yet but I doubt Beasley has become a different player within one summer. Just like Dorell, he has more opportunities to produce which doesn't necessarily make him a better player than he was with us though.

Beasley drops 42... scrub

And he could have done that in Miami this season - if we let Wade go, signed no-one and made Beas the focus of the team. We wouldn't have made the playoffs of course.

I'm surprised that Abark didn't see Beas and Wright had this in them last season. Most of us saw it but we also saw that if we wanted to be a championship team then Beas had to go or be a bench player. Wright could also have been great of the bench but he'd have had to accept the min. why would he do that?

appreciate what they can do, appreciate that we can do even more without them and don't go trying to blame Riles or spo or the coaching team for something in your own head.

Beasley was an okay player for the Heat if you look at his numbers in relation to minutes he was allowed to play. However, Beasley could have been a extremely good player for the Heat his first two years - prior to the trade - if he were given more of an opportunity and allowed to play ahead of guys that he was clearly better then.

The reality is that no matter how well Beasley played he was benched by Spo. in favor of lesser players on a regular basis for large portions of games.

The difference between Beasley on the Heat and Beasley on the Wolves is opportunity. That is all. If you have watched him play this season it is obvious that he is doing the exact same things offensively but is just getting far more minutes and touches.

42 points on about 52% fg is impressive.

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Wait a minute, you think Dorell's 15/6/3 in Golden State counts the same as anywhere else?

You know Monta Ellis had 48 points the other night right? Maybe we should trade Wade for him.

Really all you're doing is proving the notion that stats don't mean everything. There is such a thing as empty numbers. If either of their teams win more than 30 games, then I'll be a believer.

And again, the regular season is a couple games old.

your stupid don nelson is there anymore so they aren't the old ill outscore you with no defense they are a good team and don't score as much whole different coach and whole new system so be clear you know nothing about basketball

Dezmondballins3 wrote:

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Wait a minute, you think Dorell's 15/6/3 in Golden State counts the same as anywhere else?

You know Monta Ellis had 48 points the other night right? Maybe we should trade Wade for him.

Really all you're doing is proving the notion that stats don't mean everything. There is such a thing as empty numbers. If either of their teams win more than 30 games, then I'll be a believer.

And again, the regular season is a couple games old.

your stupid don nelson is there anymore so they aren't the old ill outscore you with no defense they are a good team and don't score as much whole different coach and whole new system so be clear you know nothing about basketball

Well, they're still 4th at pace and 5th in the league at points per game, so while the speed of their game isn't as crazy as it was under Don Nelson, it's still amongst the fastest in the league.

It was already expected Beasley would average around 20 pts and 6-7 boards, he thrives as the first option with 20+ touches.