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It begins - tide is shifting on perceptions of the Heat

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It begins - tide is shifting on perceptions of the Heat 

Post#1 » by mopper8 » Tue May 24, 2011 6:05 pm

Talking about how MJ would do in the modern league, Phil XI wrote:


Phil XI wrote:I remember when MJ came into the league. He was not universally loved when he came into the league and not even after he won his first ring against LA.

It was repeated awesomeness after MJ won rings that got people to appreciate him for his great basketball and hide some of the 'other stuff' alot of people said about him.

He would absolutely be bashed like today's stars and their fans and people would look for any reason to pick him apart if they were done in real-time on the web. He is probably fortunate in that regard.


I argued in another thread that if the Heat win now and continue to win, the same thing will happen. Well, its already happening, at least in its infancy stages. Enter Rick Reilly:

It tastes like Drano in my mouth, but I've got to say it: The Miami Heat are pulling off one of the greatest I Told You So's in the history of American sports.

I hate how they conspired. Hate how they manipulated. Hate how they went behind the backs of the GMs and the league and their own teammates to pull off something so audacious it threatens to ruin the very fabric of the league.

And yet they're doing the single hardest thing in sports. They're living up to the hype.

Remember how they preened and pranced at that preseason throw-up-on-your-back-teeth debutante party in July as if they were the second coming of the 1991 Chicago Bulls?

Well, so far, aren't they?

Remember how Dwyane Wade said he and LeBron James and Chris Bosh would wind up in the discussion of the "best threesome" to ever play?

Well, won't they?

Remember when Wade said we should feel "sorry" for the other teams because they'd have to guard him and James at the same time?

Look, I'd rather see Donald Trump on the $5 bill than see the Miami Heat win this championship. Three superstars colluding to win a ring would be the worst thing to happen to the NBA since The Gold Club.

But you have to admit: They've been as good as they said they were going to be. Hubris 1, Humility 0.

From the moment James took what seemed like 11 cheese-filled hours to say, "I'm taking my talents to South Beach," the mocking began from Celtic Nation to Laker Land and everywhere in between.

Remember Orlando Magic president Otis Smith saying, "I thought he was more of a competitor"?

Well, James is 10-3 in these playoffs. Is that competitive enough for you?

Remember how the critics chirped that the only way the Heat can win is if there were three balls? That NBA superstars might be able to share groupies, but not limelight?

Well James, Wade and Bosh have led the team in scoring five, five and three times, respectively, in the playoffs so far. Is that sharing enough for you?

Remember Crygate?

Remember the five-game losing streak when everybody outside the 305 area code wrung their hands with glee and kept saying, "See? See? Greed kills!"?

Well, it doesn't.

Remember when writers wailed that Erik Spoelstra, the Heat head coach who looks like he's in his first year of divinity school, was too much of a milquetoast for the Threegos and should be replaced?

Well, Spoelstra weathered it with patience and guts.

You think James was under the gun? Can you imagine the vise Spoelstra's noggin was in? With Pat Riley and his six rings two rows behind him? But he hung in, stuck with his "Trust each other" mantra and now you wonder if they named the wrong guy Coach of the Year.

Remember the James jabbing? Remember "Witless," the beer brewed to mock LeBron and his Nike "Witness" campaign?

Remember when people were saying he failed more in crunch time than soggy corn flakes? When James had to apologize to his teammates for "failing them late in games" and promised, "I won't continue to do that"?

Well, he delivered. Game 5 in the Celtics series: scored the last 10 points. Game 2 versus Chicago: nine of the Heat's last 12. Game 3 versus Chicago: two daggers late.

Remember the Bosh bashing? Remember pundits saying the former Toronto Raptors superstar would simmer and then boil over at suddenly being a third wheel? Two and a Half Men? The Third Heatle? Remember when he said he needed to start getting the rock more often and where and when he liked it?

Well, Wade and James started giving it to him and now George Harrison has two 30-point games in these playoffs alone.

So, yes, it goes down my throat like tumbleweed, but I have to eat it: The Heat were right. They've been as good as advertised.

Actually, they've been better.

You knew Miami was getting three mega-scorers on one team who were going to wear out a lot of scoreboard operators' thumbs. But what's happened instead? They've been winning it with great passing, teamwork and suffocating, selfless, you-cover-my-butt-while-I-cover-yours defense. The Psychic Helpline couldn't have predicted that.

I want to hate the Heat, want it like my next breath, but Wade is nice, James is fun, Bosh is sincere, Spoelstra is cool, Riley is brilliant, and the way they all play is so damn selfless, I can't.

I'm pissed that I can't be pissed.

And it makes me think.

Remember when James said they might win seven titles before their own personal Dream Team's days were through?

Well, that's still stupid.

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Re: It begins - tide is shifting on perceptions of the Heat 

Post#2 » by mopper8 » Tue May 24, 2011 6:09 pm

I might put that bolded part in my sig
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Post#3 » by heat in italy » Tue May 24, 2011 6:51 pm

Nice read. I hope one day we can have a good center, a defensive and 3 pt beast PG , and chemistry. By then, we can think about a 70 win season, and be in the same sentence of the 96 Bulls.
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Post#4 » by HIF » Tue May 24, 2011 7:04 pm

If we had a loss tonight and they'd all be trashing us again.
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Post#5 » by Chosen01 » Tue May 24, 2011 7:05 pm

heat in italy wrote:Nice read. I hope one day we can have a good center, a defensive and 3 pt beast PG , and chemistry. By then, we can think about a 70 win season, and be in the same sentence of the 96 Bulls.

That was an awesome read, I think people are getting to the 5th stage of grief :D .Also I honestly believe we'd hover around 65-67 wins if Wade didn't get injured in pre-season and Haslem and Miller were healthy for the season, but thats just part of the game.
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Post#6 » by rainking » Tue May 24, 2011 7:07 pm

If we do win the whole thing, there will be plenty of these 180 degree about faces from the sports media world. Jon Barry is already starting to sing a different tune after ripping us apart all year. Woj has quieted down since his onslaught of anti-LeBron articles to start the season. Simmons will write glowingly about how Wade and LeBron solved the mystical alpha dog dilemma. Also looking forward to the Whitlock article where he compares the return of Udonis to some episode of The Wire. Frankly, the only guy that will probably stand firm is Bucher. We could win the next five titles and he would still say that his sources in the league are telling him that we really aren't that great.

The sad thing is that there are so many things to celebrate about this team: Big 3 taking less money to keep UD and bring in Miller (Carmelo didn't take a penny less in his NY extension), Spoelstra working his way up the coaching ladder the hard way, UD's commitment to Miami and perseverance through injury and family deaths, Bibby giving up tons of money to join this group, Wade fighting for custody of his kids, etc. yet most in the national media have focused strictly on The Decison and The Introduction as proof that these players and this organization is somehow everything that is wrong with sports.
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Post#7 » by DWadeno3 » Tue May 24, 2011 7:19 pm

As HIF said, let us lose tonight and the tide will change quickly. This series is so far from over and even if we are to beat the Bulls, there's still Dallas waiting in the Finals. We need to win it all in order to even start changing the tide. Otherwise, everybody will have ammo against us, it's that simple.
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Post#8 » by shanedude » Tue May 24, 2011 7:22 pm

The revisionist history begins. Really, the media was on our side the WHOLE TIME guys.
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Post#9 » by mopper8 » Tue May 24, 2011 8:06 pm

shanedude wrote:The revisionist history begins. Really, the media was on our side the WHOLE TIME guys.


Not sure how you can consider this article revisionist history when the whole point is that the Heat is proving all the naysayers wrong.
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Post#10 » by Flashpoint » Tue May 24, 2011 8:36 pm

Heat fans have gotten a crash course this year in exactly how hollow and useless media slants and popular opinion can be. Those media humps can stay on their side of the line. Especially if all they can offer are vomit inducing articles like this still filled with useless rhetoric and unsubstantiated claims that shouldnt be coming from even these pseudo journalists (collusion? prove it). Lets ignore the sacrfices, lets ignore the intent, lets ignore the effort, lets ignore that good people among athletes can be rare and there are good people on this team. Spare me half assed concessions like this article tries to make. Out of context quotes and this prevailing opinion that the bad guys are winning. Just **** off.

I don't accept this bull ****. It was trendy to pile on this team, but everyone crawls back when you're winning.
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Post#11 » by 3LiftHeatCurse » Tue May 24, 2011 9:13 pm

I am -done- being annoyed with the media.

I am going back to the feeling I had on July 8th when LeBron said "I'm taking my talents to South Beach"

Remember it? It's time for me to revel and laugh at all the haters. I'm not going to sport any "U MAD?" sigs, but the "feeling" is back. Laugh and point at the haters while we watch our beloved Heat. The 06 championship was special, but this is going to be a very special title as well for long time Heat fans.

I will NOT let the sad pathetic haters annoy me anymore. LAUGH AND POINT, FELLAS!
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Post#12 » by Iputsomepantson » Tue May 24, 2011 10:03 pm

I didn't care what the media said when they hated on the Heat and I don't care now.
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Post#13 » by coolnerd88 » Tue May 24, 2011 10:04 pm

If we lose tonight............we'll go back to getting fired on by the media

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Post#14 » by Dr Positivity » Tue May 24, 2011 10:54 pm

I wrote my Heat hater giving them credit post after the 2nd rd... if you're interested: http://asubstituteforwar.com/2011/05/14 ... #more-1960
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Post#15 » by shanedude » Tue May 24, 2011 10:56 pm

mopper8 wrote:
shanedude wrote:The revisionist history begins. Really, the media was on our side the WHOLE TIME guys.


Not sure how you can consider this article revisionist history when the whole point is that the Heat is proving all the naysayers wrong.


Yeah I didn't mean this article. I'm saying that if we win the chip, the Jon Barrys of the world will be saying that they knew all along Miami was going to win.
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Post#16 » by Smash3 » Tue May 24, 2011 10:58 pm

Don't worry another loss tonight and they'll be all over us again :lol:
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Post#17 » by StrawberryShake » Tue May 24, 2011 11:20 pm

i also made mental notes of those who doubted the heat and hated all season long. hopefully if we win the title they should be pointed out and mocked if they decide to turn and give us credit. i will not accept praises from guys like barkley and barry. all they have done this season is trash the heat and its fanbase. like eddie house said MIDDLE FINGER UP TO ALL THE HATERS and if they want to start liking us well then heres another one.


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Post#18 » by Iputsomepantson » Tue May 24, 2011 11:37 pm

StrawberryShake wrote:i also made mental notes of those who doubted the heat and hated all season long. hopefully if we win the title they should be pointed out and mocked if they decide to turn and give us credit. i will not accept praises from guys like barkley and barry. all they have done this season is trash the heat and its fanbase. like eddie house said MIDDLE FINGER UP TO ALL THE HATERS and if they want to start liking us well then heres another one.


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Post#19 » by Rican_MagicFan » Wed May 25, 2011 6:11 am

DonT worry guys my hate will always be here it will never leave even if u win 7 titles like lebron promised :D but but but i only dont like the heat cuz i think lebron is dumb and its not because of what he did last year ive hated him since he was with Cleavland with that said bye heat fans
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Post#20 » by Rican_MagicFan » Wed May 25, 2011 6:13 am

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StrawberryShake wrote:i also made mental notes of those who doubted the heat and hated all season long. hopefully if we win the title they should be pointed out and mocked if they decide to turn and give us credit. i will not accept praises from guys like barkley and barry. all they have done this season is trash the heat and its fanbase. like eddie house said MIDDLE FINGER UP TO ALL THE HATERS and if they want to start liking us well then heres another one.


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