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Way to many of us are giving our ideas about the team with out having a clue on the cap rules.
This is from another forum. I made a new topic but MODS feel free to merge this where ever you think it belongs.

( Posted by Vinylman )
Here's the breakdown. The new CBA put in a rule that if you use the 5M dollar MLE to sign a FA and go into the 74M luxury tax you will not be able to sign anymore players. Not even at minimum.

Essentially if i'm not being completely clear, if we use the 5M dollar MLE we set a hard cap for ourselves at 74M. The reason other are contemplating cutting Miller is because it would allow us to use that space to sign a free agent, re-sign Chalmers, sign Cole and fill out the roster with minimum guys (assuming it doesn't cross the 74M)

Now if we use the mini MLE designed for teams in the luxury tax we would be allowed to spend 3M on a FA, sign Chalmers, Cole and minimum guys to fill out the roster regardless of the cap (no 74M hard cap in place)

That is also the reason you are hearing lots about sign and trades in the forum because it would allow us to fill our needs without having to sacrifice the full 5M mle.

Recap

Full MLE at 5M: Hard cap at 74M

Mini MLE at 3M: Can spend past the 74M threshold to sign own players and minimum FA.

*Obviously at 3M our FA agent options at center dwindle substantially.

Understand?

Im not saying your wrong, but i cant see the league not allow a team to sign minimum players. That cant be true, that mean preseason you cant sign players to try out, or if a player gets injured you just undermanned. The official cap rules havent been release right?? And what benefit does it give to the league to prevent teams from signing minimium players?

twix2500 wrote:Im not saying your wrong, but i cant see the league not allow a team to sign minimum players. That cant be true, that mean preseason you cant sign players to try out, or if a player gets injured you just undermanned. The official cap rules havent been release right?? And what benefit does it give to the league to prevent teams from signing minimium players?

It sounds fishy to me too, but thats what ive bin reading from several forums. I guess we will see in a few more days.

If anyone has any actual info on this, please explain it to us.

That's crap.
If Isaiah was the GM at a team and threw $74mil at 8 players the NBA would not stop them from filling out the roster...do you think the players would want teams carrying 12 guys only instead of 15? Come one!

Brazilian wrote:That's crap.
If Isaiah was the GM at a team and threw $74mil at 8 players the NBA would not stop them from filling out the roster...do you think the players would want teams carrying 12 guys only instead of 15? Come one!

That's one thing I'm wondering. Why wouldn't teams just run with 12-13 man rosters so they have more cap room? I mean, it's not like Magloire and Pittman were getting much use sitting in street clothes every night. I'm in favor of us going with 12 men. PEACE.

The biggest move was owners allowing teams that are not more than $4 million over the luxury tax line to use the full mid-level exception of $5 million, according to multiple reports. That $4 million window makes a world of difference for the Heat and should allow them to:

• Use the entire $5 million mid-level exception in free agency without having to use the amnesty clause on Mike Miller to waive him and get his contract off the books.

• Use the entire mid-level exception on a free agent and still be able re-sign restricted free agent Mario Chalmers and rookie point guard Norris Cole.

• Keep Miller and Chalmers, sign a $5 million free agent, sign Cole and still be able to tack on veterans at the NBA minimum. Perhaps players like Grant Hill, Michael Redd, James Jones or players who are waived by the via the amnesty clause elsewhere.

As of just a few days ago, the way the proposals were set up, it appeared certain the Heat would have to use their amnesty clause on Miller immediately just so they could add to their roster. The Heat currently have $65 million in salaries for this season before signing Cole. At the moment, they also have no point guard under contract, applying pressure to re-sign Chalmers as well because the free agent point guard market is thin.

But they couldn't afford to do both and stay under the luxury tax line, which is expected to be right about where it was last season at $70.3 million. The owners wanted to make any team that was over that line unable to use the full mid-level exception, including if using that money pushed a team into the tax zone. The Heat are planning on using the mid-level on a center, with their top target believed to be free agent Sam Dalembert.

This appeared to leave them little choice but to release Miller to free up the majority of the $5.4 million he's owed this season so they could make the needed signings. Or at least have the option to do so. There's a reason why Miller put his house on the market recently.

According to league sources, the Heat had planned to waive Miller and had let him know through back channels so he could prepare. This information was not all that secret -- teams in need of shooters were already doing background research on Miller and considering bringing him in. Miller had a number of suitors when he was a free agent a year ago, including the Chicago Bulls.

He may not want to take his house off the market just yet, though. With the expected luxury-tax changes, the Heat still may end up waiving Miller with the amnesty clause before next season to allow them to free up enough space to use the mid-level exception again. But considering they will be paying Miller either way, they would much prefer to have him on the roster and see if offseason surgeries to his thumb and shoulder will allow him to return to his form from two years ago, when he was one of the best shooters in the league.

o Bi-Annual Exception can only be used by non-taxpayers. Amount set at $1.9M in year 1, growing 3% annually thereafter. Exception cannot be used in 2 consecutive years and has maximum contract length of 2 years (same as under 2005 CBA).

Option 1

1) Amnesty Miller
2) Dalembert full $5.0M MLE
3) Chalmers bird $3.5M
4) Jones bird @ $2.0M
5) 3 more vets @ minimum

^All fits under Tax + $4M if tax is at least $70M

6) Sign Cole to rookie contract


PG: Chalmers / Cole / MIN
SG: Wade / House
SF: James / Jones / MIN
PF: Bosh / Haslem / MIN
C:: Dalembert / Anthony / Pittman

Option 2

I still say we keep Miller, and proceed with the same plan as before: Use Joel Anthony to trade for Center.

1) Anthony for Dalembert S&T
2) Chalmers bird for whatever
3) Jones bird for whatever
4) Mini MLE Wilcox

I think this roster is better than the one above, and we still have the X factor in Miller someday potentially getting healthy and helping the team in the final 35 games, assuming it takes 15 games to get a rhythm. And if he never gets healthy, we amnesty him next summer, but regardless the team got a lot better at Center.

Why would Sacramento sign and trade for Joel?

I still don't think Dalembert comes for the MLE.

Also can't we use the bi-annual this year if we amnesty Miller?

Lord Leoshes wrote:Option 2

I still say we keep Miller, and proceed with the same plan as before: Use Joel Anthony to trade for Center.

1) Anthony for Dalembert S&T
2) Chalmers bird for whatever
3) Jones bird for whatever
4) Mini MLE Wilcox

I think this roster is better than the one above, and we still have the X factor in Miller someday potentially getting healthy and helping the team in the final 35 games, assuming it takes 15 games to get a rhythm. And if he never gets healthy, we amnesty him next summer, but regardless the team got a lot better at Center.

Joel's own mother wouldn't trade for Joel

you really just gotta get rid of miller lol