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Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:29 pm
by RhapidKid
He says he just lets Lebron and Wade use their BB IQ a lot of times and that the game flows better that way.
IMO, that's some complicated sh*t. How on earth do BRon & Wade use just IQ against defenses that are running under drawn up plays?
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:35 pm
by DefenseWins
I already knew this... it's why I didn't even bother arguing in those "SPO IS A GENIUS" and whatnot threads. I had no evidence but from what was said on TV that Spo doesn't call anything. "Trust each other" is all he has and if they buy into it, ball movement! I mean they do have some screens and Wade/LBJ catch and shoot, even Miller/Chalmers/Battier having catch and shoots.
Things have been added, but called? ehhhh.... we'll wait and see when a game gets CLOSE. I want this team to battle down to the wire in a close game, I want to who will do what. It's been awhile.
Sometimes when they really need something going, they call things. But remember that play at Minnesota where LeBron inbounded and threw it to Wade? Wade was the one who brought that play up, not Spo lol. I thought Spo called it... but nope.
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:44 pm
by Chosen01
Yea I give Spo some credit for FINALLY abandoning the snail pace game and maximizing the talents of his stars(if you remember he said he was going to pick the pace since he first became head coach and had Marion on the team).
Also, making sure LeBron and Wade play in the post more and some easy cuts points we didn't see last year.
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2012 6:02 pm
by This IsMy House
Thats a good thing, when he did they became so predictable. He said he was going to let the game run through Wade/LeBrons high IQ of the game, and it seems to be working. The less set up plays they run the less predictable and it keeps the defense is check. No reason to have those two smart players and have them running slow set up plays that everyone knows what to expect.
Our half court offense is so much better compared to last year, and this is a major reason. Last year the half was miserable to watch, now its a thing of beauty (at times, but no teams perfect).
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2012 6:29 pm
by Hallstar
He draws up plays out of timeouts and last second stuff like that, but he's not slowing down the game to scream plays at Chalmers/Cole.
Some see that statement and go..."omg, he's not doing anything on offense"
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2012 6:31 pm
by This IsMy House
Hallstar wrote:He draws up plays out of timeouts and last second stuff like that, but he's not slowing down the game to scream plays at Chalmers/Cole.
Some see that statement and go..."omg, he's not doing anything on offense"
And our out of bounds plays have been great this year.
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2012 7:26 pm
by Pimpwerx
Hallstar wrote:He draws up plays out of timeouts and last second stuff like that, but he's not slowing down the game to scream plays at Chalmers/Cole.
Some see that statement and go..."omg, he's not doing anything on offense"
Exactly. I also believe he said at the start of the season that he changed the offense so they wouldn't have to call plays. The pace and space offense is supposed to rely on the guys making reads now, not running set plays. But as you note, out of timeouts and stuff, he's called some excellent plays. PEACE.
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:05 pm
by Flash3
Neither did Phil Jackson.
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2012 8:16 pm
by mopper8
The Creation of Miami's Offensemopper8 wrote:How do you have an offense without play calling? Simple, the same way classic motion offense works, the same way the triangle works: by establishing principles of spacing and movement, and letting players freelance within that framework:
There is, however, a fluid framework in place, with infused elements of Rick Adelman's elbow offense and a motion dribble-drive offense, something he picked up from his trip to Lexington, Ky., to see Calipari.
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:33 pm
by EscapoTHB
Phil Jackson never called plays either. This is the best way to do it, so long as there is a framework in play, and you have talented players who are willing to trust each other and move the ball, it's pretty much unstoppable.
Last year we didn't have that trust. This year there is trust 1-12. The guys even trust Joel Anthony in the middle of the lane in traffic to catch and score. That's how much they trust each other. It's really fun to watch them execute in the half court.
It was a weakness last year, it's a strength now. I especially enjoy watching teams desperately go to the zone against us, and we bust it like it's not even there.
I think having a better bench has helped to. Everyone that plays on our team is capable of finishing a play. I just hope we can roll into the playoffs with a fully healthy roster, because we're damn good when we have everyone. I'm looking at YOU Mike Miller.
How smart does Riley look for keeping Mike Miller, now? Having Battier and Miller to bring off the bench is fantastic.
We are a starting center away from having a perfect roster IMO.
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2012 11:02 pm
by DefenseWins
Wait are we talking about calling plays during a game? This I don't mind, but when it comes to the end of games and stuff, that's where I expect him to intervene. I expected some plays during GSW, Clippers, etc. Didn't happen. I really really want to see this team when the game is tied with 2 minutes left or something...
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2012 11:18 pm
by insfo
DefenseWins wrote:Wait are we talking about calling plays during a game? This I don't mind, but when it comes to the end of games and stuff, that's where I expect him to intervene. I expected some plays during GSW, Clippers, etc. Didn't happen. I really really want to see this team when the game is tied with 2 minutes left or something...
lol .. too late for damage control
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2012 11:27 pm
by DefenseWins
insfo wrote:DefenseWins wrote:Wait are we talking about calling plays during a game? This I don't mind, but when it comes to the end of games and stuff, that's where I expect him to intervene. I expected some plays during GSW, Clippers, etc. Didn't happen. I really really want to see this team when the game is tied with 2 minutes left or something...
lol .. too late for damage control
nah. Still want to see how it all goes at the end of games lol. And when the offense gets stagnant, then I want some plays or going into the post. The out of bounds plays are really good though, I have no idea if those are called (they look called).
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Sat Mar 3, 2012 5:45 am
by DefenseWins
So like... my body wasn't ready for a game to be in the final minutes to see what plays they draw up... oh well lol.
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Sat Mar 3, 2012 9:21 am
by Vertical Limit
Well when you're known for saying "give it to Wade and get the **** out of the way", that pretty much means all he has on his bag of tricks is isolation plays. Though I recall that inbound backdoor pass from Lebron to Wade being a great GW play.
There was also other plays before the Big 3 where Wade would draw up the entire defense and he would dish it to a cutting Haslem to win as a good play.
I can't think of many others other than Wade being spectacular before the Big 3, or the Big 3 hitting some skillful shots and that's just nothing Spoelstra can draw up, maybe that 3 point shot from Bosh was drawn up but eh.. that's about it. The comeback against Chicago in the ECF was all skill.
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Sat Mar 3, 2012 2:14 pm
by ecnirp
Vertical Limit wrote:Well when you're known for saying "give it to Wade and get the **** out of the way", that pretty much means all he has on his bag of tricks is isolation plays. Though I recall that inbound backdoor pass from Lebron to Wade being a great GW play.
There was also other plays before the Big 3 where Wade would draw up the entire defense and he would dish it to a cutting Haslem to win as a good play.
I can't think of many others other than Wade being spectacular before the Big 3, or the Big 3 hitting some skillful shots and that's just nothing Spoelstra can draw up, maybe that 3 point shot from Bosh was drawn up but eh.. that's about it. The comeback against Chicago in the ECF was all skill.
Why didnt Spo run that play with LeBron and Wade instead of LeBron and Haslem?
Chances are LeBron gets to the hoop easier or Wade gets an open clutch shot he's known for making.
I worry about Spo sometimes...
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:11 pm
by twix2500
Ummm if your kicking butt and the set offensive is blowing up the opponent, why would you draw up a play. You draw up plays to counter the defensive play call or set.
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Sat Mar 3, 2012 5:53 pm
by DefenseWins
Vertical Limit wrote:Well when you're known for saying "give it to Wade and get the **** out of the way", that pretty much means all he has on his bag of tricks is isolation plays. Though I recall that inbound backdoor pass from Lebron to Wade being a great GW play.
There was also other plays before the Big 3 where Wade would draw up the entire defense and he would dish it to a cutting Haslem to win as a good play.
I can't think of many others other than Wade being spectacular before the Big 3, or the Big 3 hitting some skillful shots and that's just nothing Spoelstra can draw up, maybe that 3 point shot from Bosh was drawn up but eh.. that's about it. The comeback against Chicago in the ECF was all skill.
That Bosh 3 was actually a botched play and it was luck. Spo even said so, that the original play was botched...
yeah it's iso's on the game winners, but if the Heat want to run a set play, it's LeBron or Wade who has to call a set play. Spo let's them choose lol. I mean I remember when they would give it to Haslem in the clutch, it's just his jumper sucks this year. Oh well.
Re: Spo says he hardly draws offensive plays anymore
Posted: Sat Mar 3, 2012 11:47 pm
by Grifin32
Just like in some guys signature about Spo - the mascot thing
uh well we better not get carried away..