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On THIS TEAM, the coach really shouldn’t matter - I am getting of complaining about this coach, he is what he is. remember he said “he barely runs plays”

Check this out.

Lebron controls much of the offense and it is up to the big 3 to get the other players to “get in and stay involved” in the offense. In addition, the role players need to do more than just pass the ball back to Lebron or any of the big 3. They need to either take ANY open shot, or be allowed to create a shot for themselves.

Too many times they are forcing up shots because of an expired clock, I don't care what play is or is not called form the sideline, these are mostly VETS on the floor that need to play BASIC BASKETBALL.

The tendencies to always swing the ball back to Lebron is a glaring weakness. very predictable and needs to change in order for us to have a chance. This can be done on the floor.

It doesn’t matter about the rotation, what matters is OFFENSIVE - not DEFENSIVE production from said rotation. I really don’t care who’s on the floor at anytime, we need OFFENSIVE production from that player.

One more thing, Lebron needs to cut down on his directing on the floor, it reduces the players to facilitators not players. Everybody on this team has some basketball IQ that needs to be used in order for us to win, not just one person making all the plays.

Since this coach does not run many plays on offense 9his words) the players need to have a better offensive flow to the game. I have seen this team play with good execution from several guys is different games. They need to play with good execution in more games.

What mario did or tried to do last night, he should do or try to do even if DWade is in the game. The shot attempts that JJ/Miller took last night, they should take those same shots EVERY GAME.

I am not a fan of this coach - BUT - there is nothing I can do about it.

Listen - This coach can affect these players during the playoffs. but the payers can do nothing to affect the coach during the playoffs. So change/adjustments have to come from the players. If they only get 2 minutes, make them better offensive/rebounding minutes first.

We're wasting a lot of words expressing our displeasure with something that won;'t change this year. It's like, we are insane "saying the same thing over and over and expecting different results"- If THIS TEAM wants to win, we can and we should if and only if, we play better basketball when we're on the floor regardless who's on the floor. Nothing can be done about he defense, most nights, we have the most talented starting lineup, WE NEED to utilize this lineup to attack more on OFFENSE.

First it was just Wade complaining to the refs after most calls, now it's RIO/Lebron AND?

This coach is who he is, barring a severe injury, he will be our coach during these playoffs, it's time for the players to adjust to what is and get the job done with however many minutes on the floor. At the end of the day, he won't be blamed if we lose, THE PAYERS WILL BE BLAMED.

enjoy your Sunday

Things would be a lot simpler if we had a PG who can play PG

It still kills me that lbj has gone his whole career without playing with a starting true PG

SweetTouch wrote:Things would be a lot simpler if we had a PG who can play PG

It still kills me that lbj has gone his whole career without playing with a starting true PG

True, but that's when you remind him of last nights game when he was attacking, he/Cole admires LBJ so much until they feel a need to get the ball to him would be the right play(this came from the coach) but can be stopped if Lebron/Wade tells/forces him to shoot/attack the rim - trying to be positive here.

yesterday showed us some things... Cole had a horrible game forceing things that were not there. I think he learns from that last game. Way too many airballs in crunchtime. Miller scrub??? nope.

Still blame the coaching staff for not having these guys ready. Perfect out of bounds calls for the wizards and pick and roll offense. Where was that execution on our end? Just alot of one on one plays. Its obvious we dont practice plays and reply on Wade and Lebrons playmaking. Where was Pittman at the end? Subben in Joel in the crunch who cant reboud???

What WD said.. miller jj and chalmers should try to play like that all the time and not just when Wade is out.

Of course all of my complaints about this coach still stands, but he is not changing, the adjustment has to come from the players. I saw some things yesterday and see it from time to time when Lebron or Wade is not on the floor, the role players play with a little more sense of urgency.

It's there ring, it's right there for them. I find myself still watching the opponents offense more than our own. Outside of the dunks and transitional offense, there is nothing else, but if Miller/JJ/mario play more like yesterday, we have a real legit chance.

If we have the audacity to pass the ball in to Joel, then we should pass the ball(quicker) into Pittman. I refuse to believe that ALL OF THESE roles players have nothing to offer on offense besides the structured environment they are playing in. I Saw games of Battier last year, he was money in the corner, but here, he has to wait too long to get the ball.

By constantly blaming this coach, you're in essence blaming Riley and you know that's not allowed.

Perfect out of bounds calls for the wizards and pick and roll offense. Where was that execution on our end? Just alot of one on one plays.

Now let me see. Wall to NéNé. Wall the No.1 pick ahead of Griffin and others to an Allstar.

So we have ? Rio (second round pick) to Pittman?

Yeah , reasonable thought that we could do exactly the same to them.

Let's be real. the team we put out yesterday could only have hoped to beat the Charlotte Bobcats for sure.

HIF wrote:

Perfect out of bounds calls for the wizards and pick and roll offense. Where was that execution on our end? Just alot of one on one plays.

Now let me see. Wall to NéNé. Wall the No.1 pick ahead of Griffin and others to an Allstar.

So we have ? Rio (second round pick) to Pittman?

Yeah , reasonable thought that we could do exactly the same to them.

Let's be real. the team we put out yesterday could only have hoped to beat the Charlotte Bobcats for sure.

Is it because of talent or execution?

What?

Today and for the rest of the season until the playoffs, I am just searching for some positives, I already know the type of coach i think we have.

The reason why people don't like Spo is because the guy relies on 3 players to carry his ass.

Nobody likes a coach that has to rely on their superstars to do every single freaking thing. Because they get exposed very easily.

And the Miami Heat organization gets exposed every easily because it's a superstar lead organization. Get a superstar and surround him with subpar crappy players and lets see how far he can take us.

That's the Miami Heat MO since getting Wade.

And that crap is freaking annoying. Spo already gave up coaching the offense, and he hasn't done anything on defense, so in essence the Miami Heat do not have a coach.

Spo is like a babysitter or some ****. Spo is just there, Spo is like a youth coach who just brings snacks.

If Spo was a bad coach as in, he actually tried and just sucked at it, it would be different, but we can't even accurately criticize Spo because we don't know wtf he actually does.

We know he controls the rotation and that's it. His defense is Riley's, his offense is letting Lebron and Wade do whatever they want. Like seriously, wtf does he actually do besides look tense on the sidelines. He drew a few plays up and tells Lebron to guard the best player and that's it.

The main compliant is lets have a real coach and a real organization that does real organization crap like developing players instead of just buying everyone's hasbeens and no talent players.

Of course as long as Riley is here nothing is gonna change and if the Heat lose again...which is highly likely more than them actually winning due to Spo...Riley would still probably be here.

The whole organization is just Wade and Lebron.

Lebron already tried winning it on his own, the guy was the coach, point guard, cheerleader and GM, he was a loser, and he is pretty much the same here.

HIF wrote:What?

I am just asking because it seams if the coach doesn't change/adjust, we're doomed,

CablexDeadpool wrote:The reason why people don't like Spo is because the guy relies on 3 players to carry his ass.

Nobody likes a coach that has to rely on their superstars to do every single freaking thing. Because they get exposed very easily.

And the Miami Heat organization gets exposed every easily because it's a superstar lead organization. Get a superstar and surround him with subpar crappy players and lets see how far he can take us.

That's the Miami Heat MO since getting Wade.

And that crap is freaking annoying. Spo already gave up coaching the offense, and he hasn't done anything on defense, so in essence the Miami Heat do not have a coach.

Spo is like a babysitter or some ****. Spo is just there, Spo is like a youth coach who just brings snacks.

If Spo was a bad coach as in, he actually tried and just sucked at it, it would be different, but we can't even accurately criticize Spo because we don't know wtf he actually does.

We know he controls the rotation and that's it. His defense is Riley's, his offense is letting Lebron and Wade do whatever they want. Like seriously, wtf does he actually do besides look tense on the sidelines. He drew a few plays up and tells Lebron to guard the best player and that's it.

The main compliant is lets have a real coach and a real organization that does real organization crap like developing players instead of just buying everyone's hasbeens and no talent players.

Of course as long as Riley is here nothing is gonna change and if the Heat lose again...which is highly likely more than them actually winning due to Spo...Riley would still probably be here.

The whole organization is just Wade and Lebron.

Lebron already tried winning it on his own, the guy was the coach, point guard, cheerleader and GM, he was a loser, and he is pretty much the same here.

I know this and I totally agree, BUT what I am trying to do here is say - SINCE WE KNOW THIS, the players on the floor have to make it happen. They need to do things different on offense regardless and in spite of.

You stated an important fact which I acknowledged earlier - since he's given up the offense, then this is the area the players have more control of, wouldn't you agree. Thus the change has to come from the offensive end WITH the guys on the floor.

WD I swear I've seen threads from you talking about Spo... oh well.

You're right this team was suppose to be built so we don't have to rely on the coach. But he made no adjustments last year in the Finals and what happened? Spo also runs our exhausting defense, and doesn't adjust to that either. Boston knows it like the back of their hand and execute perfectly against it.

It sucks LeBron never got to know a real coach, he has always had to coach himself.

It's the coaches job to get certain players open, and then execution from the players. Last night people keep forgetting the offensive fouls that the Wizards kept drawing, and the turn overs, that killed us. One beef I really had last night was that JJ wasn't in for Cole at the end, and Cole kept turning it over and chucking. Then Pittman never played in the 4th when he was basically our best player besides Rio out there at the time. Then Miller got hot and Cole started messing things up and we never got back to Miller. I expect the coach to say, THE **** ARE YOU DOING?! lol. After the time out after Cole was messing things up, Cole still continued. The opposite should be happening. This team NEVER feeds the hot hand. NEVER. If someone gets hot, it seems they say "okay let's get the other person to be hot", or they get benched...

Also foul to gives aren't allowed apparently.

I like Rio attacking more, it helps us. It seems like teams, even Chicago, are so shocked someone else besides LBJ/Wade/Bosh are doing anything and they freeze and Mario gets his shots or people like Noah lol.

If Spo takes Cole out of the playoff rotation I'll ease up on him But if he gets outcoached in the Finals again, I'm done with him.

Every single thing you have said I agree with and have said since that 15 win season. They want to win their way (Wade first and now Wade/Lebron and sometimes Bosh) - this whole organization has a cocky attitude. for all of the great things Riley did last year, the biggest disservice he did to this group was to give this Coach an extension.

But form an organizational standpoint, he had to, he got Eric dirt cheap. I lost a little respect because of that move, but there are no votes when it come to this team. It one way.

I know all of that, this is why I am saying, I am personally so tired and rather bored making the same complaints about this coach until NOW I feel I need to change my pitch to the players. Coles bonehead plays, some of Pittmans stupid fouls, etc. can all be attributed to the defensive philosophy and lack of a real offensive plan. This coach has basically handed over the offense to Lebron.

So the solutions have to come from Lebron and the players....

WD wrote:

CablexDeadpool wrote:The reason why people don't like Spo is because the guy relies on 3 players to carry his ass.

Nobody likes a coach that has to rely on their superstars to do every single freaking thing. Because they get exposed very easily.

And the Miami Heat organization gets exposed every easily because it's a superstar lead organization. Get a superstar and surround him with subpar crappy players and lets see how far he can take us.

That's the Miami Heat MO since getting Wade.

And that crap is freaking annoying. Spo already gave up coaching the offense, and he hasn't done anything on defense, so in essence the Miami Heat do not have a coach.

Spo is like a babysitter or some ****. Spo is just there, Spo is like a youth coach who just brings snacks.

If Spo was a bad coach as in, he actually tried and just sucked at it, it would be different, but we can't even accurately criticize Spo because we don't know wtf he actually does.

We know he controls the rotation and that's it. His defense is Riley's, his offense is letting Lebron and Wade do whatever they want. Like seriously, wtf does he actually do besides look tense on the sidelines. He drew a few plays up and tells Lebron to guard the best player and that's it.

The main compliant is lets have a real coach and a real organization that does real organization crap like developing players instead of just buying everyone's hasbeens and no talent players.

Of course as long as Riley is here nothing is gonna change and if the Heat lose again...which is highly likely more than them actually winning due to Spo...Riley would still probably be here.

The whole organization is just Wade and Lebron.

Lebron already tried winning it on his own, the guy was the coach, point guard, cheerleader and GM, he was a loser, and he is pretty much the same here.

I know this and I totally agree, BUT what I am trying to do here is say - SINCE WE KNOW THIS, the players on the floor have to make it happen. They need to do things different on offense regardless and in spite of.

You stated an important fact which I acknowledged earlier - since he's given up the offense, then this is the area the players have more control of, wouldn't you agree. Thus the change has to come from the offensive end WITH the guys on the floor.

Yeah but what I am saying, is they are doing it on their own. They are trying the best they can. Lebron and Wade got to the Finals by doing it on their own.

Spo decides who is on the floor and has a major affect on the offense because he reduces Lebron and Wade to defacto point guards and he has others as a shooter.

And that's easy to coach, Spo has virtually taken the easy way out with this whole coaching thing. Best thing Spo has done is assist in Lebron post game development but he is making him play point again.

Heat don't have the players to let them "coach" themselves on the court. They are one dimensional outside of Wade and Lebron and Bosh.

So the product on the court can not be changed outside of drive and kicks. Heat doesn't allow real point guard play so the offense is just limited by that.

We just need to as fans, hope to God Wade and Lebron can heroball it up and win the championship or it's gonna be ugly.

DefenseWins wrote:WD I swear I've seen threads from you talking about Spo... oh well.

You're right this team was suppose to be built so we don't have to rely on the coach. But he made no adjustments last year in the Finals and what happened? Spo also runs our exhausting defense, and doesn't adjust to that either. Boston knows it like the back of their hand and execute perfectly against it.

It sucks LeBron never got to know a real coach, he has always had to coach himself.

It's the coaches job to get certain players open, and then execution from the players. Last night people keep forgetting the offensive fouls that the Wizards kept drawing, and the turn overs, that killed us. One beef I really had last night was that JJ wasn't in for Cole at the end, and Cole kept turning it over and chucking. Then Pittman never played in the 4th when he was basically our best player besides Rio out there at the time. Then Miller got hot and Cole started messing things up and we never got back to Miller. I expect the coach to say, THE **** ARE YOU DOING?! lol. After the time out after Cole was messing things up, Cole still continued. The opposite should be happening. This team NEVER feeds the hot hand. NEVER. If someone gets hot, it seems they say "okay let's get the other person to be hot", or they get benched...

Also foul to gives aren't allowed apparently.

I like Rio attacking more, it helps us. It seems like teams, even Chicago, are so shocked someone else besides LBJ/Wade/Bosh are doing anything and they freeze and Mario gets his shots or people like Noah lol.

If Spo takes Cole out of the playoff rotation I'll ease up on him But if he gets outcoached in the Finals again, I'm done with him.

And i mean EVERY SINGLE WORD - but I still want my team to win, I'll have plenty of opps to bash this guy in the playoffs.

i remember when I was in Germany as an enlisted man and this hot shot college LT came over and kept ordering us to hike down a certain path, he'd never been down the path(he read the book), but we had. To make a long story short, he gave the order and we said "yes sir", but as soon as his jeep got out of sight, we went the way that we knew would save us 1 hours time. we started the way he ordered(BY THE BOOK), but we ended the way that worked best(based on our experience).

CablexDeadpool wrote:

WD wrote:

CablexDeadpool wrote:The reason why people don't like Spo is because the guy relies on 3 players to carry his ass.

Nobody likes a coach that has to rely on their superstars to do every single freaking thing. Because they get exposed very easily.

And the Miami Heat organization gets exposed every easily because it's a superstar lead organization. Get a superstar and surround him with subpar crappy players and lets see how far he can take us.

That's the Miami Heat MO since getting Wade.

And that crap is freaking annoying. Spo already gave up coaching the offense, and he hasn't done anything on defense, so in essence the Miami Heat do not have a coach.

Spo is like a babysitter or some ****. Spo is just there, Spo is like a youth coach who just brings snacks.

If Spo was a bad coach as in, he actually tried and just sucked at it, it would be different, but we can't even accurately criticize Spo because we don't know wtf he actually does.

We know he controls the rotation and that's it. His defense is Riley's, his offense is letting Lebron and Wade do whatever they want. Like seriously, wtf does he actually do besides look tense on the sidelines. He drew a few plays up and tells Lebron to guard the best player and that's it.

The main compliant is lets have a real coach and a real organization that does real organization crap like developing players instead of just buying everyone's hasbeens and no talent players.

Of course as long as Riley is here nothing is gonna change and if the Heat lose again...which is highly likely more than them actually winning due to Spo...Riley would still probably be here.

The whole organization is just Wade and Lebron.

Lebron already tried winning it on his own, the guy was the coach, point guard, cheerleader and GM, he was a loser, and he is pretty much the same here.

I know this and I totally agree, BUT what I am trying to do here is say - SINCE WE KNOW THIS, the players on the floor have to make it happen. They need to do things different on offense regardless and in spite of.

You stated an important fact which I acknowledged earlier - since he's given up the offense, then this is the area the players have more control of, wouldn't you agree. Thus the change has to come from the offensive end WITH the guys on the floor.

Yeah but what I am saying, is they are doing it on their own. They are trying the best they can. Lebron and Wade got to the Finals by doing it on their own.

Spo decides who is on the floor and has a major affect on the offense because he reduces Lebron and Wade to defacto point guards and he has others as a shooter.

And that's easy to coach, Spo has virtually taken the easy way out with this whole coaching thing. Best thing Spo has done is assist in Lebron post game development but he is making him play point again.

Heat don't have the players to let them "coach" themselves on the court. They are one dimensional outside of Wade and Lebron and Bosh.

So the product on the court can not be changed outside of drive and kicks. Heat doesn't allow real point guard play so the offense is just limited by that.

We just need to as fans, hope to God Wade and Lebron can heroball it up and win the championship or it's gonna be ugly.

I know I am reaching here, but are they really one dimensional or are the Lebron dimensional, IS there really nothing the players can do on the offensive end, are we that limited, seriously?

Pat stuck with Spo because he was his assistant and defensive coach and doesn't have an ego like Phil Jackson or something. But that doesn't mean he should be calling certain shots lol. Pat didn't want another guy who won't listen to him coach the team. Riley wants some sort of control.

When I really think about it, I think it's mutual. Spo doesn't really coach and I'm sure if he did, LBJ/Wade wouldn't listen anyway. There are times where they don't listen to him even if he gives out small instructions. I don't care what anyone says, they do have ego's. Only thing they listen to is defense.

Spo trusts them to do whatever and bail him out, but when he does, things like Game 2 in the Finals happens lol.

Btw I know Riley isn't perfect. He has lost in the Finals many times with some of the best teams in NBA history.