Why does only Wade need to show up for a full game?

golightly · Post #1 » by **golightly** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:16 pm

Game 4:
LeBron in the first half - 9/13 for 20 points
LeBron in the second half - 3/10 for 9 points
by comparison
Wade goes 2/11 in the first half for 8 points and 5/9 for 12 points

Game 5:
LeBron in the first half - 7/12 for 18 points
LeBron in the second half - 4/13 for 12 points
by comparison
Wade goes 3/9 in the first half for 7 points and 6/12 in the second half for 20 points

So Wade has bad first halves and good second halves and LeBron has good first halves and bad second halves. Yet the Heat fan base seems ready and willing to put it on especially Dwyane Wade but really anybody but LeBron James. Why? Also when you consider how much more attention the Celtics are paying to Wade I don't get the flat out favoritism.

arsenic · Post #2 » by **arsenic** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:53 pm

Alright first, this thread is ignorant. You use a 2 Game sample size, yet we've played 5 games. And yet this is something we've seen in other series too, not just this one. Regalrdess, Lebron going for 20 in the first half is just a super strong half, then he gets 9 in the 2nd. Lebron hasn't really had "bad" 2nd halves like you claim either, except the last game he was pretty brutal in the 3rd. Mind you...Lebron plays the entire half WITHOUT rest while Wade is sitting on his ass to come in FRESH for the 4th, so if you're not doing much for nearly 24 minutes, on both ends, I expect you to drop 30 in the 4th if you're going to play that game, which isn't really realistic right? Right. Regardless, Wade just needs to play better early on, because when you have two guys going nuts you have a chance to blow them out instead of continually "playing it close" or playing catch up. It's really that simple.

ndnow · Post #3 » by **ndnow** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:59 pm

Your right it's not just Wade, our offense needs to step up. Our droughts are caused however by guys like Wade and Lebron taking awful shots and not running offense. So people look to them first, and with Lebron putting up silly numbers it seems to fall on Wade.

But you're right it's not just Wade.

golightly · Post #4 » by **golightly** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:07 pm

arsenic wrote:Alright first, this thread is ignorant. You use a 2 Game sample size, yet we've played 5 games. And yet this is something we've seen in other series too, not just this one. Regalrdess, Lebron going for 20 in the first half is just a super strong half, then he gets 9 in the 2nd. Lebron hasn't really had "bad" 2nd halves like you claim either, except the last game he was pretty brutal in the 3rd. Mind you...Lebron plays the entire half WITHOUT rest while Wade is sitting on his ass to come in FRESH for the 4th, so if you're not doing much for nearly 24 minutes, on both ends, I expect you to drop 30 in the 4th if you're going to play that game, which isn't really realistic right? Right. Regardless, Wade just needs to play better early on, because when you have two guys going nuts you have a chance to blow them out instead of continually "playing it close" or playing catch up. It's really that simple.

I thought people were saying Wade was the one being given a lot of excuses?

Tell me how Wade being doubled plays into your theory of halves where Wade's low scoring on bad percentages is a bad half, while LeBron's low scoring on bad percentages is not a bad half.

arsenic · Post #5 » by **arsenic** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:12 pm

golightly wrote:
arsenic wrote:Alright first, this thread is ignorant. You use a 2 Game sample size, yet we've played 5 games. And yet this is something we've seen in other series too, not just this one. Regalrdess, Lebron going for 20 in the first half is just a super strong half, then he gets 9 in the 2nd. Lebron hasn't really had "bad" 2nd halves like you claim either, except the last game he was pretty brutal in the 3rd. Mind you...Lebron plays the entire half WITHOUT rest while Wade is sitting on his ass to come in FRESH for the 4th, so if you're not doing much for nearly 24 minutes, on both ends, I expect you to drop 30 in the 4th if you're going to play that game, which isn't really realistic right? Right. Regardless, Wade just needs to play better early on, because when you have two guys going nuts you have a chance to blow them out instead of continually "playing it close" or playing catch up. It's really that simple.

I thought people were saying Wade was the one being given a lot of excuses?

Tell me how Wade being doubled plays into your theory of halves where Wade's low scoring on bad percentages is a bad half, while LeBron's low scoring on bad percentages is not a bad half.

Alright guess what? I'm not about to play this game with you. If you truly feel the way Wade has played this series is up to par, then cool. Nothing more needs to be said.

golightly · Post #6 » by **golightly** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:16 pm

So yea....that's a strawman. I never said anything about Wade playing up to par, I said he's being scapegoated for a lot of people's bad play, including LeBron.

arsenic · Post #7 » by **arsenic** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:19 pm

golightly wrote:So yea....that's a strawman. I never said anything about Wade playing up to par, I said he's being scapegoated for a lot of people's bad play, including LeBron.

Hey, if you feel Wade is doing enough to put this team in position to win but is being used as a scapegoat for Lebron who is playing poorly, then that's alright too. 8-)

golightly · Post #8 » by **golightly** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:23 pm

Sure, say whatever you need to to deflect away from LeBron, since that's the only reason you're here. I know that's your angle, so do it to your heart's content. It helps me because it keeps bumping the ignored truth in my original post back to the top of the forum.

golightly · Post #9 » by **golightly** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:25 pm

ndnow wrote:Your right it's not just Wade, our offense needs to step up. Our droughts are caused however by guys like Wade and Lebron taking awful shots and not running offense. So people look to them first, and with Lebron putting up silly numbers it seems to fall on Wade.

But you're right it's not just Wade.

Thank you. But I have also read some valid articles and posts from real Heat fans about how it might not just be them taking bad shots but our offense being poor in general.

arsenic · Post #10 » by **arsenic** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:31 pm

golightly wrote:Sure, say whatever you need to to deflect away from LeBron, since that's the only reason you're here. I know that's your angle, so do it to your heart's content. It helps me because it keeps bumping the ignored truth in my original post back to the top of the forum.

lol. Glad I could help.

youngeman · Post #11 » by **youngeman** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:55 pm

Most of the heat problem is the heat coach not adjusting. Wade body lanuage has been very bad.
Lebron is just worn out. Wade has had more rest than lebron. Lebron is playing almost all five postion, while playing great defense and offense. Wade is coasting way too much and not cutting to the Basket. Another problem i see in wades game is boston don't respect wade mid range game. The middle of the floor is open for wade. If im the coach i would have bosh at the center, haslem at the 4, lebron at the 3, miller at the 2 wade at the 1. Then tell my players to push the ball more to get easy shot. Heat needs pick up the tempo like they did game 1 and 2. There too much coasting in this series. Im also tired of coach spo sitting down the guy with the hot hand.

DWadeno3 · Post #12 » by **DWadeno3** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 7:21 pm

youngeman wrote:Most of the heat problem is the heat coach not adjusting. Wade body lanuage has been very bad.
Lebron is just worn out. Wade has had more rest than lebron. Lebron is playing almost all five postion, while playing great defense and offense. Wade is coasting way too much and not cutting to the Basket. Another problem i see in wades game is boston don't respect wade mid range game. The middle of the floor is open for wade. If im the coach i would have bosh at the center, haslem at the 4, lebron at the 3, miller at the 2 wade at the 1. Then tell my players to push the ball more to get easy shot. Heat needs pick up the tempo like they did game 1 and 2. There too much coasting in this series. Im also tired of coach spo sitting down the guy with the hot hand.

The middle of the floor is not open for Wade, that's part of the problem. If they left the middle open for him, you better believe he would tear them apart. It's pathetic enough that you only post here when we struggle while having a Kobe avatar, but if you do, don't post some stupid bulls***.

narmerguy · Post #13 » by **narmerguy** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 9:13 pm

Lebron has played good, not great. Wade has played, decent, not good. We need good from Wade.

The rest of our team has played terrible, not decent. We need decent from the rest of this team.

4pt margin of victory last nigh.

EscapoTHB · Post #14 » by **EscapoTHB** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 11:17 pm

At least with Lebron in the second halves you can explain it with fatigue. I don't know why Wade is sucking in first halves. Maybe he needs to warm up better?

golightly · Post #15 » by **golightly** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 11:33 pm

EscapoTHB wrote:At least with Lebron in the second halves you can explain it with fatigue. I don't know why Wade is sucking in first halves. Maybe he needs to warm up better?

So traps and double teams can't explain away less points, but 'fatigue' in the most important series of your career can.

Hmm...

jona187 · Post #16 » by **jona187** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 11:51 pm

DWade needs to play a FULL GAME enough said

Role players need to show up as well

EVERYONE IN THEIR MOTHER IS POINTING THIS OUT, AS WELL AS HIS ARGUING WITH OFFICIALS ON NO CALLS, HIS TAKING OFF PLAYS ON D ETC....

THIS IS NOT THE WADE WE KNOW

We need an '06 Wade to win this. Lebron will play great, but Wade needs to close.

Mourning_Would · Post #17 » by **Mourning_Would** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 12:08 am

Agreed. Lebron does not play dominant in the 4th quarter. He honestly looks scared sometimes. The problem isnt really Wade. They double and trap him all 1st half. He needs to stay calm, make the right play, and pray that our scrubs can hit a damn shot for once.

Post #18 » by **DefenseWins** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 12:28 am

..... what a small sample size

there have been games where it's the opposite

don't you remember LeBron's take over in the 4th against Utah ON THE ROAD? While Wade was **** things up?

Crap happens. They both can't be dominant at the same time in the 4th. Only if it's 2vs5 it seems and taking turns. But most of the time it's either one or the other.

It's more than Wade just having bad starts. He couldn't even score when he was alone out there with scrubs...

And to think this same dude WENT OFF on Boston in 2010 when it was him and just scrubs. He is having a bad series for HIS standards.

golightly · Post #19 » by **golightly** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 12:39 am

If you're being doubled and swing the ball, your teammates should be able to score. How much of that should really be on your shoulders if they can't? It shouldn't be up to you to shoot over 2 people or split the double every time and do so without turning the ball over.

Greyhound · Post #20 » by **Greyhound** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 12:49 am

golightly wrote:
EscapoTHB wrote:At least with Lebron in the second halves you can explain it with fatigue. I don't know why Wade is sucking in first halves. Maybe he needs to warm up better?

So traps and double teams can't explain away less points, but 'fatigue' in the most important series of your career can.

Hmm...

I love how people shrug off fatigue as a credible complaint, as though it is some ridiculous notion. Guys sitting in their living-room slamming cheese puffs scoff at the idea that a ball player clocking 45 plus minutes, defending all five positions, carrying the scoring load and setting up the role players can possibly be tired.

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Both Lebron and Wade can do more.