3rd party Presidential debate airing live on RT America

[FlashKing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEMi9-WZQqU&feature=plcp

[420]

Thanks for posting. People should be aware that there are other candidates instead of what the Dems and Republicans have to offer.

[FlashKing]

Thanks 420. I know this isn't bball related but it's important for our future for those here to watch this, not just stick with Pepsi vs Coke.

[420]

Thanks 420. I know this isn't bball related but it's important for our future for those here to watch this, not just stick with Pepsi vs Coke.

No doubt, I'm just happy that there's other people who care about politics beyond Dems/Repubs.

Wow, they're even talking about the NDAA, a bill that Obama put into place that gives the President the power to detain Americans indefinitely. Not even Romney had anything to say about that.

[FlashKing]

Thanks 420. I know this isn't bball related but it's important for our future for those here to watch this, not just stick with Pepsi vs Coke.

No doubt, I'm just happy that there's other people who care about politics beyond Dems/Repubs.

Wow, they're even talking about the NDAA, a bill that Obama put into place that gives the President the power to detain Americans indefinitely. Not even Romney had anything to say about that.

Of course not because he endorsed Obama signing that Nazi bill.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUZoPnYjx0g[/youtube]

[420]

^ I had a feeling the reason he never brought it up is because he wants that power as well, but I didn't know he endoresed it. Damn. Dems and Repubs are ultimately leading us down the same path while dividing us at the same time.

[420]

I kinda agree on the term limits, but I think it's up to the people to not re-elect unless the president did an A+ job.

It seems the scam nowadays is to not carry out your full plan until after you've been re-elected and campaign that you need more time to accomplish your goals.

[FlashKing]

That Virgil guy stinks!

[FlashKing]

A shame that Ron Paul is too stubborn to switch to an Independent party. Gary Johnson is great though.

[420]

A shame that Ron Paul is too stubborn to switch to an Independent party. Gary Johnson is great though.

Yeah, I get the feeling Republicans weren't really interested in making him a legit candidate for presidency.


This debate was far better than the Dems/Repubs and tackled more issues that both parties are trying to keep out of the media.

[Mundo]

There are other candidates, but they don't matter. The system is set up so that they won't win, so it is a big waste of time.

[FlashKing]

I can't say that I disagree, however having the opportunity to watch good honest candidates could be beneficial in the future. The majority of the nation is tired of the lies from our politicians and from the mainstream, corporate run media, and that number is growing every day because of alternative news shows like RT that discusses controversial topics that MNBC,CNN and Fox won't dare touch. If debates like this and attract the casual or uncertain voter, it could swing things in a positive way for future elections. I just hope we're not to late.

This is a very important year and we're just getting the same toxic dose of corrupted candidates from the 2-party dictatorship. I just hope America can hold itself together until 2016.

[FlashKing]

Here's the entire debate:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Kq0FtBXLnE[/youtube]

[Mundo]

I can't say that I disagree, however having the opportunity to watch good honest candidates could be beneficial in the future. The majority of the nation is tired of the lies from our politicians and from the mainstream, corporate run media, and that number is growing every day because of alternative news shows like RT that discusses controversial topics that MNBC,CNN and Fox won't dare touch. If debates like this and attract the casual or uncertain voter, it could swing things in a positive way for future elections. I just hope we're not to late.

This is a very important year and we're just getting the same toxic dose of corrupted candidates from the 2-party dictatorship. I just hope America can hold itself together until 2016.

You are so right, these third party candidates would never abuse power.

I like to watch RT, but am aware of the fact that this channel hardly makes a dent. You are definitely overstating it's impact. The usual voter is the casual and uncertain voter that doesn't really do any research because honestly, they don't really benefit from it. So they just vote with either major party with niche issues. I'm sure that you probably view this as a negative, but this is also a positive. The casual voter saves time and mostly gets what they want. Additionally, unless both the Dems and Reps want to change the electoral system there will never be an third party president. As a social-democrat, I find it more useful to side with the democratic party than a party that would never get voted in. I think you really fail to see the benefits of the major parties, and really political parties in general, while overstating the benefits of third parties.

[FlashKing]

You are so right, these third party candidates would never abuse power.

I like to watch RT, but am aware of the fact that this channel hardly makes a dent. You are definitely overstating it's impact. The usual voter is the casual and uncertain voter that doesn't really do any research because honestly, they don't really benefit from it. So they just vote with either major party with niche issues. I'm sure that you probably view this as a negative, but this is also a positive. The casual voter saves time and mostly gets what they want. Additionally, unless both the Dems and Reps want to change the electoral system there will never be an third party president. As a social-democrat, I find it more useful to side with the democratic party than a party that would never get voted in. I think you really fail to see the benefits of the major parties, and really political parties in general, while overstating the benefits of third parties.

Those 3rd party candidates are already in power, just at different levels, yet they have chosen not to abuse it. Secondly, how have we the voters benefited from their endless spending and wars both parties have put us in? Both parties have accomplished nothing except driving this country further and further into and abyss of debt that will be impossible to climb out of if they remain in power. You side with one party which makes absolutely no difference when one adapts the others policies.

I think you really fail to see the benefits of the major parties

War
Government Spending
Patriot Act
NDAA
Bogus Taxes
Big Government
Illegal Immigrants using up all our resources
Mandatory Health Care
War on Drugs

I'm benefiting from all this? How lucky I am.

[420]

There are other candidates, but they don't matter. The system is set up so that they won't win, so it is a big waste of time.

That belief is more powerful and detrimental than the actuality of the situation. Dems/Repubs hope people buy into that mentality so they know they can limit you to two choices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... t=1h18m27s

[Slot Machine]

I'm voting for Gary Johnson, I'm aware he has no shot at winning but I'm hoping that maybe if Independents get enough votes, they can at least grab some attention. Better than voting for the lesser of two evils.

[Mundo]

You are so right, these third party candidates would never abuse power.

I like to watch RT, but am aware of the fact that this channel hardly makes a dent. You are definitely overstating it's impact. The usual voter is the casual and uncertain voter that doesn't really do any research because honestly, they don't really benefit from it. So they just vote with either major party with niche issues. I'm sure that you probably view this as a negative, but this is also a positive. The casual voter saves time and mostly gets what they want. Additionally, unless both the Dems and Reps want to change the electoral system there will never be an third party president. As a social-democrat, I find it more useful to side with the democratic party than a party that would never get voted in. I think you really fail to see the benefits of the major parties, and really political parties in general, while overstating the benefits of third parties.

Those 3rd party candidates are already in power, just at different levels, yet they have chosen not to abuse it. Secondly, how have we the voters benefited from their endless spending and wars both parties have put us in? Both parties have accomplished nothing except driving this country further and further into and abyss of debt that will be impossible to climb out of if they remain in power. You side with one party which makes absolutely no difference when one adapts the others policies.

I think you really fail to see the benefits of the major parties

War
Government Spending
Patriot Act
NDAA
Bogus Taxes
Big Government
Illegal Immigrants using up all our resources
Mandatory Health Care
War on Drugs

I'm benefiting from all this? How lucky I am.

Yes, I am aware that these niche parties may gain a few seats here and there in some minor offices, but these parties are not legitimate threats in a past the post electoral system for major offices. Additionally, I'm really starting to get the feel that you are more of a neoconservative who spurns Romney and the RNC than an actual third party supporter. To begin with most of your issues are conservative caused. I blame both the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq on the Republican party. Barack has gotten out of Iraq, and if you were to read literature on Afghanistan you would realize that the United States can't just leave. The Patriot Act and NDAA are also caused by the George Bush?? I also blame 9/11 on Bush, but that is a different subject. Also, I like taxes, and want the rich to be taxed equally. And if you where to study economics you would realize the importance of Barack's spending since almost all economists credit him with staving off a great depression. You oppose big government, yet want them to interfere with the illegals. What resources are they using up? Also what is wrong with mandatory health-care?? But I digress, I was talking about the benefits on a theoretical level, but I see that you failed to comprehend. Just vote for Barack, it is the right choice.

[Mundo]

There are other candidates, but they don't matter. The system is set up so that they won't win, so it is a big waste of time.

That belief is more powerful and detrimental than the actuality of the situation. Dems/Repubs hope people buy into that mentality so they know they can limit you to two choices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... t=1h18m27s

Awesome, but what don't you understand that you need 50 percent of the vote to win? So if there is a runoff, which is the best you could hope for, they will only take the top 2 parties, always eliminating your candidate. So mechanically, the system has set him up to fail, and your vote to not matter.

[Slot Machine]

Yes, I am aware that these niche parties may gain a few seats here and there in some minor offices, but these parties are not legitimate threats in a past the post electoral system for major offices. Additionally, I'm really starting to get the feel that you are more of a neoconservative who spurns Romney and the RNC than an actual third party supporter. To begin with most of your issues are conservative caused. I blame both the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq on the Republican party. Barack has gotten out of Iraq, and if you were to read literature on Afghanistan you would realize that the United States can't just leave. The Patriot Act and NDAA are also caused by the George Bush?? I also blame 9/11 on Bush, but that is a different subject. Also, I like taxes, and want the rich to be taxed equally. And if you where to study economics you would realize the importance of Barack's spending since almost all economists credit him with staving off a great depression. You oppose big government, yet want them to interfere with the illegals. What resources are they using up? Also what is wrong with mandatory health-care?? But I digress, I was talking about the benefits on a theoretical level, but I see that you failed to comprehend. Just vote for Barack, it is the right choice.

A neoconservative wouldn't be against the Wars in Iraq or Afghanistan or against the War on Drugs. A neocon also wouldn't be against the Patriot Act or NDAA, so not really sure where you assumed he was a neocon. The economy stuff you mentioned is almost entirely dependent on which economist you are talking about and which school of economics they believe in. One of the government's main duties is to protect the citizens of the country and it's clear that's not occurring along border areas with Mexico. Just look at the skyrocketing crime rates in places like Arizona. I, for one, don't want government involved with health care because the government ruins essentially any industry it interferes with. It's easy to see how inefficient the government run-business/industries are compared to places that actually have to appeal to customers or consumers to stay open.

I don't see why someone should vote for a candidate who doesn't support their beliefs or ideals. I'm not even against voting for candidates from the main two parties, but the candidates this election cycle are just putrid.