Official Heat Season Scouting and Transaction Thread

[Mundo]

So, I feel like there should be a thread to discuss any hypothetical Heat moves. I know that It may be premature for many of you guys, but I'm always anticipating the Heat's future. Particularly with the current asset that the Heat have with the Philadelphia Pick, which is looking like a steal. There exists many possible moves with this pick, so why not look at them.

But there are several implied rules with this thread.

There shall not be any transaction with the following names involved in any post.

Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Chris Bosh
Udonis Haslem
Ray Allen
Rashard Lewis

Thank you, that is really the only rule. Failure to comply with this rule shows a deep misunderstanding of what being a Heat fan really means, and what the organization stands for. There can be healthy discussion if you feel like a certain player needs to be added to the list. But none of these players are going to be removed from the list. Could one of these players be traded? Yes. Could you possibly come up with an incredible trade for the Heat involving Chris Bosh? Yes. But that would be similar to a crack head figuring out time travel. So my answer to both claims would be, "You sure have a great plan!" Since you already know the answer, please don't make that post.

I've have to go, but I will be working on some scouting reports on some very interesting prospects for the Miami Heat. Particularly, I will work on these topics.

The Plethora of Centers in the Next Draft

And attainable Centers through Trades.

Again our roster is almost perfect, but there are some holes which could be improved.

[RexBoyWonder]

Great thread, ive been planing on starting it exactly the same.

Ive also got a few intersting prospects to keep an eye for at the next draft, hopefully the Philly pick will turn out to be in the 15-19 range.

i dont have much time to go into deeper analyses but a few of the more intersting players coming up that ould fit in nicely in our system and contributed, so just in short for now :


1.Jeff Withey - Center, a GREAT shotblocker with decent hands, limited on the offensive side but could devlope a jumper, already a good free throws shooter. could be a nice fit with us.

2.Mason Plumlee - Center, Decent all around, good athlete,

3.Gorgui Dieng - PF\C, Another long shot blocker, still developing but i believe he has a nice ceiling.

4.Trevor Mbakwe - PF, probably the most gifted scorer in the bunch, very strong, athletic, not very big but very long.

We'll see how they all do this season, right now i feel Mbakwe is probably the most talnted but Withey could be the best fit with us.

I also got a few somewhat realistic ideas for trades but that's for another post.

[RexBoyWonder]

Trade options :

Looking at our trade options you quickly realize we dont have much maneuvering room. our trade chips are few and limited. In fact the only players with positive trade value are Mario and Cole, while Joel and JamesJones has very little value if any.

We do however own the Sixers pick in the next draft, and that could be our biggest trade chip if we decide to move it instead of using it.

When I look at our Roster, the biggest need seem to be an athletic big. Our PG's arn't great, but they're decent. and they fit our needs playing next to Wade and Lebron. Bosh seems to flourish at the Center spot, and it looks like he'll be our long term soulation in that spot.

The power forward position is where things get tricky. Sure, we could use LBJ there at times, but thinking long term i really think we'll benefit from a athletic big that could take off most off the physical load from Bosh and LBJ.
As of right now we have 3 somewhat decent PF's : Battier, UD and Lewis. the issue is - none of them is big or athletic, none of them blocks shots and protect the paint and all are past their prime. all 3 are basically bench players, good for 15-20 minutes but shouldnt be asked for more. none of them are a real 2 way player in this point of their carrer.

UD - Still a beast rebounder, but sadly his offense has fallen of a cliff and he's not as mobile as he used to be.
Batier - plays hard but a weak rebounder for a PF, can hit 3's but has no offense other then that. always undersized.
Lewis - looks good on offense, looks bad on defense.

All are getting up there with age.

So to me, trading for that athletic big is almost a must, if we dont believe we'll draft him.
Mario has proven to be clutch and trading our starting PG is too drastic to me, so wer'e left with Cole, Joel and the Philly pick.

A few guys i think we might be able to get for that limited package :


1.Larry Sanders - had a bad game us last night, but the kid looks like he's got to be a great rebounder and shotclocker, can finish inside, very long. not a great floor spacer.

2.Marreese Speights - Can hit the J, big guy that playes hard, good rebounder decent shot blocker.

3.Jordan Hill - plays for LA which is problamtic, but a very good rebounder, physical, can score. sadly we probably cant get him..Lakers got a steal.

4.Brandan Wright - quick, can score, block shots, i doubt we can get him either.

Any more names we can think about?

In any case, none of them are world beaters but i really feel that athletic PF type would be big for us. we should use the philly pick to trade for one or just pick a young ready to contribute player at the draft. With some luck we could find ourselfs a Kenneth Faried or a Taj Gibson type player.

[Slot Machine]

I doubt there's any chance we get Speights either, he's a big part of Memphis' rotation.

Names I've looked at:

1. Ersan Ilyasova- Last year showed he could hit the 3 and boarded very well but has had a very suspect start to the season. Signed a large contract(5yr/$40M) in the offseason and there are some concerns that he is older than he says.

2. Marcin Gortat- Perfect fit for the team but almost certainly out of our range in terms of assets to acquire him.

3. Jonas Jerebko- On a crappy team with a surplus of bigs, so he might be attainable depending on Detroit's long term plans. Haven't seen him play much but I believe he has a decent jumpshot.

4. Josh McRoberts- Stats look decent, Orlando has no real need for him but no team has seemed to be happy with him so far, so I might be missing something.

5. Gustavo Ayon- Again, Orlando has no real need for him. Primarily a hustle player so I don't think he has a jumpshot and there are concerns that he may go to a foreign league after his current contract is over.

6. Spencer Hawes- With Bynum out for an extended period, they'd probably need Hawes. Affordable contract, good rebounder and can stretch the floor but I don't think his defense is great. Not sure how much Philly likes him.

7. Timofey Mozgov- Surprisingly decent jumpshot, doesn't really seem to be in Denver's rotation, not sure how good of a defender he is.

8. Jason Smith- Good jumpshot, decent rebounder. Former draft pick of ours.

9. Jason Thompson- Playing well so unlikely we get him unless the Kings want more PT for Robinson. Shaky jumpshot but decent everywhere else.

[RexBoyWonder]

I doubt there's any chance we get Speights either, he's a big part of Memphis' rotation.

He's only getting 17 Min per game. plus i think Memphis are trying to save some $, so they'll like our draft pick.

1. Ersan Ilyasova- Last year showed he could hit the 3 and boarded very well but has had a very suspect start to the season. Signed a large contract(5yr/$40M) in the offseason and there are some concerns that he is older than he says.

No way the numbers could work, he's making way to much.

2. Marcin Gortat- Perfect fit for the team but almost certainly out of our range in terms of assets to acquire him.

Yup, could fit well here, but again he's not realistic..too good of a player for our limited package.

3. Jonas Jerebko- On a crappy team with a surplus of bigs, so he might be attainable depending on Detroit's long term plans. Haven't seen him play much but I believe he has a decent jumpshot.

i think he has a decent jumpshot but he's not really a good fit here. he's a bad rebounder and shotblocker, not really an upgrade to what we have with Battier or Lewis.

4. Josh McRoberts- Stats look decent, Orlando has no real need for him but no team has seemed to be happy with him so far, so I might be missing something.

Again, he's not an upgrade for us. we already have 3 backup PF's, we dont need another backup caliber player.

5. Gustavo Ayon- Again, Orlando has no real need for him. Primarily a hustle player so I don't think he has a jumpshot and there are concerns that he may go to a foreign league after his current contract is over.

SAme as McRoberts.

6. Spencer Hawes- With Bynum out for an extended period, they'd probably need Hawes. Affordable contract, good rebounder and can stretch the floor but I don't think his defense is great. Not sure how much Philly likes him.

Nice player but like u said, Bynum going down kills any chance Philly moves him. Plus he's a bit soft, and we already got Bosh.

7. Timofey Mozgov- Surprisingly decent jumpshot, doesn't really seem to be in Denver's rotation, not sure how good of a defender he is.

He's a Center and a lifetime backup. if Jorts and Joel cant get minutes here, neither will he.

8. Jason Smith- Good jumpshot, decent rebounder. Former draft pick of ours.

I think you're on to something here. i really like this idea. big kid, he's kinda in our price range, has an outside shot, blocks shots too and could fit next to Bosh. NO are rebuilding and could use Cole and a draft pick. i think Smith is a real nice option.

9. Jason Thompson- Playing well so unlikely we get him unless the Kings want more PT for Robinson. Shaky jumpshot but decent everywhere else.

Kings sighed him untill 2017, i really doubt they move him for our package but he's a nice player to have but not the best fit here.

[Altered_Beast]

any player that resembles kenneth faried

[raps_aviator]

Definitely a Kenneth Faried would have been perfect but there are not too many beasts out there. I think Patric Young is a nice fit for us. 6`9 260 lbs C, probably less than 5% BF, a very athletic shot blocker and rebounder. He will not be as food as Kenneth Faried but he is that type of player. Hopefully we get him.

[RexBoyWonder]

Definitely a Kenneth Faried would have been perfect but there are not too many beasts out there. I think Patric Young is a nice fit for us. 6`9 260 lbs C, probably less than 5% BF, a very athletic shot blocker and rebounder. He will not be as food as Kenneth Faried but he is that type of player. Hopefully we get him.

He's not a good rebounder in college (or a shot blocker) and is undersized. i really doubt he'll become better in those areas in the NBA. he looks ike a Brandon Bass type player.


Two more names id like to throw out there :

Emeka Okafor - he looks pretty bad in WAS, but im not sure he's done. he's only 30. he's not a top center but he might be an upgraded version of Joel - same defense but with better rebounding and scoring.


J.J. Hickson - good rebounder, can score, physical player.

[diablerouge]

i've watched jj hickson a lot in cleveland when bron was there. he's very good at rolling to the hoop and just elevating on two an two, great hands too. however, he's beyond hopeless on defense. his basketball iq is very limited in terms of team defense - i don't think it could work here.

[Slot Machine]

Okafor is a no go. Not only are his stats steadily declining in pretty much every category but his contract is also massive($14M).

[RexBoyWonder]

Okafor is a no go. Not only are his stats steadily declining in pretty much every category but his contract is also massive($14M).

Right..the only way would be if he gets bought out like Lewis. actually that could be nice, we won't have to give up anything to get him. and he really is a rich man's Joel, i think.

[puppa bear]

Okafor is a no go. Not only are his stats steadily declining in pretty much every category but his contract is also massive($14M).

Realistically we're not getting a C of Okafors calibre unless he's on the down-slope of his career.
Joel+Miller+Dex will allow us to take back just over $13m, so we could swap Dex for JJ & be able to take back Okafor.

Wiz would definitely bite if we included the Philli pick, we might even be able to push for Nene - it would be selling low, but Wiz aren't going anywhere this year, Riley might be able to sell the package as assets & good character vets.

[Altered_Beast]

thatd be a tough sell. on one hand you have miller who is a walking iron lung and on the other you go a mediocre player in anthony who only knows our system and a big who is big for nothing. pittman has shown absolutely no promise, his lone highlight of last year was elbowing poor lance stephenson in the throat

[heat in italy]

What about Derrick Willians ? I dont think that we have much to offer the Wolves but they are not playing him, so his value is not theat high also.
He would be a nice 4 to play alongside with Bosh, he is young and shoots the 3 ball very well, I would consider,dont think we have the pieces but with Riley you never now ...

[RexBoyWonder]

What about Derrick Willians ? I dont think that we have much to offer the Wolves but they are not playing him, so his value is not theat high also.
He would be a nice 4 to play alongside with Bosh, he is young and shoots the 3 ball very well, I would consider,dont think we have the pieces but with Riley you never now ...

He's a twinner (SF body with no handle) that cant get starter minutes at Minnesota, in two seasons he's shooting 40% from the field and 27% from 3. in no shape or form is he better than what we have now. we need an upgrade, not a lateral movement type of move.


From the names mentioned so far, i think the top 4 are, in random order :

*Jeff Withey - draft
*Emeka Okafor - only if he gets bought out, not worth giving up assets for him at this stage.
*Jason Smith - trade for pick
*J.J. Hickson - trade for pick, but Portland not likely to bite.

[Altered_Beast]

hickson would be perfect here. athletic big that can score inside and rebound fairly well. people say he cant play defense but to me how much you get defensively out of someone relies a lot on coaching. bosh has turned into a capable defender under spo its something you cant deny

[RexBoyWonder]

hickson would be perfect here. athletic big that can score inside and rebound fairly well. people say he cant play defense but to me how much you get defensively out of someone relies a lot on coaching. bosh has turned into a capable defender under spo its something you cant deny

I agree. In fact im liking this idea so much i started a couple of threads about it on the Blazers forum and the trades forum :

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1215798

Hickson is very long, athletic, great rebounder..I would love to get him, he could be a rich man's young Haslem.

[Slot Machine]

Problem with Hickson is his contract. He's an expiring which means we would have to pay him. I'm not sure if giving up a first(even a protected one) is worth it for a rental.

[RexBoyWonder]

Problem with Hickson is his contract. He's an expiring which means we would have to pay him. I'm not sure if giving up a first(even a protected one) is worth it for a rental.

I agree but i think we'll have his early bird rights so we could keep him.

Jason smith is going to make 2.5 Mil next year...so that's no an issue with him.

[puppa bear]

Someone mentioned Williams on the previous page. Wolves might be interested in something like Miller/pick for Williams. It's a low return, but they get themselves another important bench/locker room vet like Ridnour to help this young team as well as a couple of 1sts. Plus we could use Williams as part of a 3-way to get Okafor/Nene. Williams would play with Wall/Beal/Vessly/Seraphin and be part of their long term future. We'd just need to convince Hou to take Joel for a 2nd.

Rockets get: Joel/2nd(Heat) -back-up big for nothing
Wizards get: Williams/Pittman -future piece for good player, clears $5m
Wolves get: Miller/Philly 1st/future 1st(Heat) -locker room vet & future assets for redundant project
Heat get: Nene (or Okafor if Wizards won't trade Nene) -depth & assets for impact big, clears 2 roster spots

I guy can dream, right?