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Doc seemed to have really limited Ray's role, and now with Spo, Ray's doing a lot more than just catching/shooting.







I wonder if anyone's going to take this question seriously...

Ray has talked about that with it being one of the reasons why he wanted to go to the Heat. Ray really wanted to be able to do more things other than be a decoy and hit 3 pointers. He also talked about that for years, lots of people think of him as just a 3pt shooter but he can do other things - maybe not great but good enough to score.

It is known that Ray sacrificed the most out of the other big 3 which maybe hurt his game overall. Boston just likes filling up roles and it has worked mostly for the team (they had great success) but the players' game/stats suffer.

I don't think the usage of Ray will show who is the better coach but most people do put Doc as one of the best coaches in the league. Pop is way above both though.

Doc is the most Over rated coach in the league.

A lot of his success is due to Thibs.

Oh man, just wait till some Boston trolls find this one....

I have a lot of respect for Doc Rivers, but watching Allen play with us now it seems that he only used Allen as a 3pt specialist and didnt use all of his potential. Granted just having him as a 3pt specialist got them to 2 Finals and 3 Conference Finals. I dont know if this means Spo is better than Doc, or that having Allen drive fits this system better than the system in Boston. One thing is for sure, with the small ball Miami has been playing there is a lot more room in the paint than when Boston had Shaq/JO clogging the paint.

the thibs angle is way overblown, boston remained a great defensive team once thibs left. kg busting pick n rolls and quarterbacking the defense is what sets them apart, their defensive efficiency when he leaves the floor is shocking.

doc did what was best for his team, not necessarily what was best for ray - i can't bash him for that. rondo is useless unless he has the ball in his hands as he can't be on the receiving end of drive and kicks. paul pierce needs time to get to the mid post and work his craft, he's not a motion kind of guy. totally different team.

and, no, spo is not a better coach than doc rivers.

Dos is still a better, more experience coach then Spo. the fact that Allen is playing in a different role with us does'nt change that.

Spo has all the tools to improve too, he's a smart guy that works hard and he's getting more savvy with time.

Ray Scoring is no different now than it was in boston so we would have to wait till the end of the season to see where He's at.

Spo has improved in calling time outs at the right time. Just lacks the motivational talk. I Still see the robotic rotations.

FREE JORTS!

TheDon008 wrote:Doc is the most Over rated coach in the league.

A lot of his success is due to Thibs.

Gotta love statements like this with no real backing. How can anyone even say this?!

Doc is one of the best coaches this league has and the past few years have proven it. He's one of the best coaches when coming out of time-outs - just look at the execution and calls.

How anyone can say he's overrated is pure stupidity.

I have tons of respect for Doc Rivers. I think he is an excellent coach.

Doc is great and has helped keep the Celtics competitive when everyone thought they were done.

Spo hasn't coached as long as Doc or with as much adversity, so I'll give the edge to Doc.

Spo has a chance to be better than him, though, and it'll start by earning at least one more ring, preferably more.

diablerouge wrote:the thibs angle is way overblown, boston remained a great defensive team once thibs left. kg busting pick n rolls and quarterbacking the defense is what sets them apart, their defensive efficiency when he leaves the floor is shocking.

doc did what was best for his team, not necessarily what was best for ray - i can't bash him for that. rondo is useless unless he has the ball in his hands as he can't be on the receiving end of drive and kicks. paul pierce needs time to get to the mid post and work his craft, he's not a motion kind of guy. totally different team.

and, no, spo is not a better coach than doc rivers.

+1 to this basically. You can't judge a coach based on how one player performs. It's a coach's job to find the best solution for his team to be the best it can be and Rivers has done it year in and year out. He's definitely one of the best in the league.

Nope Doc is better than Spo. Could you imagine what Doc would do with this Miami roster? It's scary to think about.

In game coach? No.

But the Spo / Riley (this guy is hands on) combo is very formidable.

Flash3 wrote:

TheDon008 wrote:Doc is the most Over rated coach in the league.

A lot of his success is due to Thibs.

Gotta love statements like this with no real backing. How can anyone even say this?!

Doc is one of the best coaches this league has and the past few years have proven it. He's one of the best coaches when coming out of time-outs - just look at the execution and calls.

How anyone can say he's overrated is pure stupidity.

Well excuse me for not joining in on the Doc Rivers "slurpfest".

IMO he's overated. He's the benefit of a great situation. I like him as a coach, Just don't beleive he's as elite as he credited for. The man posted the worst record with Paul Pierce on his team. (I know Spo did as well, but he had roster decimated by injuries.)

Lets check the numbers shall we?

Here's a nice little write up on Coach rivers. A lot of good stuff.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1215125

P.S.

final wrote:Ray has talked about that with it being one of the reasons why he wanted to go to the Heat. Ray really wanted to be able to do more things other than be a decoy and hit 3 pointers. He also talked about that for years, lots of people think of him as just a 3pt shooter but he can do other things - maybe not great but good enough to score.

It is known that Ray sacrificed the most out of the other big 3 which maybe hurt his game overall. Boston just likes filling up roles and it has worked mostly for the team (they had great success) but the players' game/stats suffer.

I don't think the usage of Ray will show who is the better coach but most people do put Doc as one of the best coaches in the league. Pop is way above both though.

Jesus Shuttlesworth is a prototypical shooting guard and one of the greatest, if not THE greatest 3 point shooter of all time, but his other offensive skills are underrated. He could everything Kobe, D Wade, Mcgrady, could do, albeit with less athleticism. Lets not forget he averaged 26.5/4.4/4.1 his last year in Seattle, those are Flash type numbers. And he's still got a lot left in the tank for a player his age.

I think people forget the beast that was Ray Allen when he was in Seattle. The dude was incredibly good and had a diverse skillset. A shame that he'll be remember for his 3pt shooting and nothing else. But oh well, a legacy is a legacy.

Yeah ray had great balance in Seattle

Spo without the big 3 had the Heat as a very good defensive team. Doc is over-rated in the sense that he started winning when he got his big 3. Before that, his record was horrendous. Thibbs is an amazing coach, that dude can really teach. Along with Pop.. Pop is a beast.

Spo is better than Doc. I got ridiculed for saying it not just last season, but two seasons ago. Doc is a great coach of personalities, but so is Spo. He is not good at keeping his guys motivated to play every single game, but perhaps that's helped him gain the respect of the guys. The rigorous practice schedules don't lead to championships automatically. They keep you sharper during the season, but don't make a difference in the postseason.

I think it's becoming apparent, with the performance of over superteams, that he didn't just fluke his way to success with a talented roster alone. He had arguably the least-compatible roster of the new superteams, but had the most success. It took him less time to right the ship, and he got them further faster. Doc did great with the Big4 in Boston too, but that success wasn't sustained. He also hasn't proven himself with a bad roster, which Spo has managed to drag to the playoffs.

Miami was 9-8, and the sky was falling. Lakers have a losing record right now, but aren't getting the same kind of media scrutiny we did. Spo dealt with a lot and never got rattled. He never threw his guys under the bus either. I'm glad we have him as a coach. He'll be appreciated with the fullness of time. His legacy is only just starting to be written...just like Bron. PEACE.