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12/8 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBATV

Posted: Fri Dec 7, 2012 10:04 pm
by DWadeno3
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I'm keeping it simple and stupid. No girls, no hazing, no nothing, just a simple, efficient approach that'll get it done just like our team should do it. I'm not gonna expect anything from anybody. This team obviously doesn't care about the regular season, so I don't care what they do as long as we reach the playoffs, which is when the magical switch will be moved to "giving a f***".

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Fri Dec 7, 2012 10:22 pm
by Slot Machine
Over/under 5 Ryan Anderson threes?

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Fri Dec 7, 2012 10:50 pm
by TRG
The loss last night is going to sting for quite a while... I'm not even sure if I wanna watch this.

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Fri Dec 7, 2012 11:05 pm
by TheDon008
LOL @ Heat fans On depressed mode after a regular season Dec Loss.

After the last 2 years years you would think we'd have developed some thicker skin.

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Fri Dec 7, 2012 11:35 pm
by cb1
With all the stuff i've been hearing, i expect a big bounce back blowout win.

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Fri Dec 7, 2012 11:40 pm
by Pimpwerx
TheDon008 wrote:LOL @ Heat fans On depressed mode after a regular season Dec Loss.

After the last 2 years years you would think we'd have developed some thicker skin.

This.

Another day, another game. I want a win. I don't care if it's a lot or a little, I just want a win. PEACE.

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Fri Dec 7, 2012 11:48 pm
by Dupas
Lets just win this , i want to see more shard today.

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2012 12:56 am
by LuckyLuke007
is it possible you wrote the wrong date??? isn't the game on 12/8...???

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2012 1:03 am
by Linear Railgun
Yeah, game is tomorrow not tonight.

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2012 1:29 am
by Ratchet_Rio
I was about to flip thinking I missed half of the game :roll:

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2012 1:47 am
by DefenseWins
Just win...

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2012 5:25 am
by LoneWanderer
Ethan Skolnick: Embarrassing loss to Knicks makes Miami Heat realize they need to change their ways


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“We’re not defending,” James said. “It’s that simple. … It is a cloud for our team because we’re not defending like we are capable of doing. We have some room for improvement. The good thing is we can be great. But right now, we’re not good.”

They’re not, by any empirical measure.

In accepting the current defensive reality, James spoke of not accepting other things, such as the notions that shortcuts are inevitable because the regular season is so long, or that one strong effort Saturday against the struggling New Orleans Hornets will signify a sustainable turnaround.

His contention is that Miami needs to prove it “for a string” closer to a month. Other excuses, such as new additions and altered rotations, or even the one that Bosh offered about the increased offensive pace taking something away on the other end? Over two interview sessions, James swatted all away.

“It’s us,” James said. “It’s us. It’s not like we added 15 new guys. We’ve got a veteran ball club, we’ve got guys who have been here, who’ve defended.”

They have done so in Spoelstra’s system. The coach’s frustration has been simmering, and Friday he was much more pointed. He addressed the growing perception – one some players have acknowledged – that they are struggling to motivate themselves prior to the postseason.

“If that is a reality, then that is a major problem, but we have an opportunity to correct it right now,” Spoelstra said. “If it goes too long, what it becomes is a tendency, it goes longer than that, it becomes a habit. If it continues, by the time you get to the playoffs, that’s who you are. So that’s what we’re trying to change right now.”

What about players changing their tones in interviews?

“Well, good,” Spoelstra said. “That’s part of taking responsibility, of being real about it, of dealing with the reality, and not brushing it aside.”

So where are the breakdowns? Spoelstra noted that seven of the Knicks’ 18 3-point baskets Friday were on unassisted pull-ups, many contested, and not altogether unacceptable. His anger was about what happens earlier in games that allows opponents to develop the confidence to even attempt them: the “layup drill for a while,” the easy offensive rebounds for a team not known for getting many, and the wide-open 3-pointers that he believed contributed to the “karma of the game.”

“And when they need to get hot taking some tough ones, they’re already in a good flow,” Spoelstra said. Blame can flow throughout the Heat roster, although it is obvious that Bosh, Mario Chalmers and Dwyane Wade have not done their best defensive work of late. When asked why Chalmers has developed a nasty foul habit, Spoelstra snapped back: “Everything that we’ve talked about. Early stance, feet first, awareness, alertness, sense of urgency, discipline.”

It was clear that he talked about all of it, over all that silence, long before the media arrived.



Here's another article from Kevin Arnovitz analyzing the root of the Heat's defensive deficiencies:

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It’s an empirical fact that the Heat are playing horrific defense, but we’re also pretty certain they feature the personnel to play elite defense. There's actual evidence of this somewhere in a glass case inside AmericanAirlines Arena. So how manageable are these issues? Are they merely coasting rather than playing on a string, which is how the Heat characterize their defensive proficiency when everyone is where they’re supposed to be and all five guys moves as one unit in the half court? Would a healthy Battier and a few more minutes of Joel Anthony do the trick?

This time last season, the defense wasn’t exactly locking opponents down defensively. The Heat weren’t running shooters off the 3-point line and they were gambling more loosely than Floyd Mayweather. Miami took some lumps early but privately understood that Spoelstra was engaged in some experimentation. The Heat were trying to figure out if they could morph a fairly conventional scheme into one that could maximize speed and instincts without sacrificing the integrity of the entire defense. It took a while, but the strategy bore a Larry O’Brien Trophy.

Is that what’s going on here in the early going? Is an outing like Thursday night just a symptom of a team that’s futzing around in the laboratory trying to come up with new solutions?

Chalking up bad defense to systematic failures (Defenders aren’t pushing guards down on the pick-and-roll; Nobody is sinking to the level of the ball when it goes inside; etc.) is usually more satisfying than attributing them to generalities like energy motivation, but there’s something that rings true in the postgame statements from James and Bosh about the Heat’s lack of urgency. The game tape looks like a snuff film, but even watching all the Heat’s tactical errors on defense, you find yourself saying, “They know better than this.”

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Obviously the defensive woes aren't going to be cured overnight, but this is a good step at the right direction.

Go Heat, beat the Pelicans!

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2012 5:35 am
by HeatFan1234
I'm not overly concerned, but if the defense doesn't get better by the all-star break, I will be.

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2012 11:52 am
by DWadeno3
LuckyLuke007 wrote:is it possible you wrote the wrong date??? isn't the game on 12/8...???


Yup my bad, just changed it.

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2012 11:56 am
by heat in italy
TheDon008 wrote:LOL @ Heat fans On depressed mode after a regular season Dec Loss.

After the last 2 years years you would think we'd have developed some thicker skin.



I know, but when you lose by 20 at home to the Knicks ....

Thats one of the thing that separates Jordan from everybody else, I dont remember Jordan in the wining days losing by 20 at home against a team without the 2 best players (Melo and Amare).

Re: 12/7 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2012 2:15 pm
by TheDon008
heat in italy wrote:
TheDon008 wrote:LOL @ Heat fans On depressed mode after a regular season Dec Loss.

After the last 2 years years you would think we'd have developed some thicker skin.



I know, but when you lose by 20 at home to the Knicks ....

Thats one of the thing that separates Jordan from everybody else, I dont remember Jordan in the wining days losing by 20 at home against a team without the 2 best players (Melo and Amare).


I hear you man but,

Who cares about Jordan dude? This is the Miami Heat. Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris bosh.. etc.

We have awesome players that any other team would love to swap players with their team. Why cant you guys just enjoy what we have with this team? One day the Heat will not be the best team in the league with the best players. Enjoy it while you can.

Yea I hate the the knicks more than the devil himself, but look at things in perspective... its ONE game. The heat know they arent playing well, and they have the veterans and leadership to correct it.

A lot of you guys remind me of the Gas bags like Stephen A, and Wilbon counting the Heat out in the middle of that boston series. Dan lebatard played a collage of them in his Championship rant. Perhaps you guys should listen to it.

Re: 12/8 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2012 2:35 pm
by TheDon008
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOynq6NKYx0&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]

The first minute of this video, is sadly, How heat fans sound on this board...

Re: 12/8 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2012 2:39 pm
by RexBoyWonder
Let's just start to play defense. i dont care how we score, i just want us to lock them down and play like we care.

Re: 12/8 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2012 5:11 pm
by BIRDMAN BIRDMAN
Just win, baby, win.

Re: 12/8 - Miami Heat vs. New Orleans Hornets - 730 ET - NBA

Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2012 7:34 pm
by narmerguy
Just do what you're supposed to do, not that hard.