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Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:29 am**

Let's throw some wild ideas...how about we drop the small-ball bull and go full on big-ball(s)? :lol:

Trade Mario Chalmers + James Jones
For
Samuel Dalembert

(Saves bucks money, they dont play Sammy anyway, he wants out)

Then we Add Birdman, Kenyon martin, and Delonte West for vet min contracts.

West/Cole
Wade/Allen/Miller
LBJ/Battier/Miller
Bosh/Martin/Varnado
Dalembert/Birdman/Joel

I feel that West is an upgrade over Mario anyway. better on both sides of the court.

Everything goes back to normal - Bosh is a PF again, Battier is a SF, we have real Centers.

Now - we can have a great shotblocker on the court ALL THE TIME. rebounding will be good too. we could tone-down the over helping and let the big guys clog our paint. (i believe this will really help us clamp down on defense..no more constant 3's draining on our guys). inside defense should be strong, we'll have great length, size, and thoughness. That's much more like the classic Heat basketball we all loved. Key point - keeping Dalembert, Birdman and Martin minutes down should help them play hard all the time with alot of energy - going for offensive boards, defending, and not holding anything back.

Totally crazy?

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:32 am**

what about trading bosh for zach randolph?

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:37 am**

lecola wrote:what about trading bosh for zach randolph?

Na..that's way crazier.

No reason to touch the big 3, but Mario...i can live without. he's not a real core guy going forwrd in my eyes.
in fact im not even sure we'll pick his option next year. 4 mil$ for his level of play?..really not sure.

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:32 pm**

How about no trades just signing Birdman and maybe another bigman or a guard that could help the bench out

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:39 pm**

I don't know much about delontes relationship with lebron but he's perfect for this team

We can have 3 point guards. Delonte, Cole, Chalmers. Keep Chalmers just in case Delonte goes crazy. Drop Pittman and pickup Andersen and Martin or Whiteside.

I really feel like we need a 7 footer. Even if he can't rebound that well, the tap outs would be great.

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:50 pm**

If we only add Birdman, i dont think that's enough. You can't play him big minutes at this point in his career. you dont want him to be playing tired and not giving his all. we need him to play at 100% effort.

If we Also add Dalembert, both of them togther = a poor man's Tyson Chandller. Both are good rebounder, great shot blockers and limited on offense (but better then Joel and Haslem). if we play them both around 18-20 minutes per game, they'll stay fresh, more healthy. i dont want to relay on 1 old Center and over-work him. If we get both, add Joel for 10 minutes per game - we filled the Center position with good defenders..and i promise you we wouldn't be outrebounded by 20 again even once.

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:02 pm**

Now, about Mario. i like him too. but this is a basketball team, not a friendship club.

ill repost this :

This fan base holds some myths about Mario, and it might be time to reexamine them.

"He's a great/good shooter" - no, not really. he's a career 35% from 3. that's not good. considering the fact that he's constantly getting the best open looks any PG in the league gets, playing next to the big 3 - 35% is even worst.

"He's a great fit here" - well, not really. a great fit would be a great defender that is also a great shooter. like we already saw, he's not a good shooter, and his D has fallen off a cliff, as it seems he slowed dowm and cant keep his man in front of him at all. (Cole is already a much better defender).

"he's a big games player" - well, it depends how you look at it. can he sometimes play better (then his usuall crappy play) in big games? sure. but a good player can play like that all the time, or at least most of the time. Mario can play like that a few time a year. that's really not good enough. not for a starting PG on a contending team.

"He's getting better at X and Y" - not really. he's almost 27, this is his 5th year. he's not a rookie anymore, this is who he is as a player. players dont get magically better at this stage. He keeps making dumb plays. He can't create for himself or for others. he's streaky as hell, can't count on him for anything. he's become a below average defender. HE'S JUST NOT THAT GOOD OF A PLAYER.

Most of like him for his spirit and balls, but let's get real - he's a backup PG talent that overachieved for a while and enjoyed playing next to great players that made him look better then he is. if we could keep him as a bench guy..that would be cool. but as a starter...he's really not cuting it.

If we replaced him with guys like Nate robinson Or C.J. Watson (Vet Minimum players) we wouldn't see any drop-off. we might actually be better.

So is it worth it to send him and get Dalembert? i think so.

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:07 pm**

RexBoyWonder wrote:
lecola wrote:what about trading bosh for zach randolph?

Na..that's way crazier.

No reason to touch the big 3, but Mario...i can live without. he's not a real core guy going forwrd in my eyes.
in fact im not even sure we'll pick his option next year. 4 mil$ for his level of play?..really not sure.

We'll pick it up. At worst its an expiring

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:09 pm**

Mario hits big shots. I have been his fan and believer since we drafted him in 2009 I think it was.

but yes, I would be willing to trade him and other pieces to get Dalembert. I never wanted this small ball crap to begin with. I was on record saying we needed to go big men and not Ray Allen in the off-season. Ray allen was redundant with Shane Battier, James Jones, Mike Miller on the roster.

And yeah, sign Birdman if he can help rebound and play D. Bosh is just not a good inside presence, even though I love the guy.

If this Heat team had a real Center all this time... we would be near unstoppable.

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:54 pm**

StrengthNHonor wrote:Mario hits big shots. I have been his fan and believer since we drafted him in 2009 I think it was.

but yes, I would be willing to trade him and other pieces to get Dalembert. I never wanted this small ball crap to begin with. I was on record saying we needed to go big men and not Ray Allen in the off-season. Ray allen was redundant with Shane Battier, James Jones, Mike Miller on the roster.

And yeah, sign Birdman if he can help rebound and play D. Bosh is just not a good inside presence, even though I love the guy.

If this Heat team had a real Center all this time... we would be near unstoppable.

Exactly.. Another thing I don't understand is how we have struck out the last 3 years.. Pat Riley always loved having great C's.. How did we end up being stuck with only Dexter Pittman? I really don't get it..

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:16 pm**

He's no 7 footer but I wouldn't mind going after DeJuan Blair.

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:21 pm**

Trading Chalmers and change for Dalembert is not the answer. That fruity bastard has his chance to play here

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 5:16 pm**

I disagree that trading for Dalembert will help the Heat... Especially giving up Charlmers...

The idea of going big isn't so bad though...

Why not try to get Ryan Anderson from the Hornets... Or M. Gortat from the Suns... Or even T. Mozgov from the Nuggets...

I personally like the thought of trading Allen and Lewis to the Kings for T. Evans...

There are solid free agents too.... K-Mart, D. West, H. Whiteside, J. Vanardo, all would fit right in...

Now this one might surprise some... Trade Charlmers, J.Jones, and a pick to Utah for Moe Williams...

But let's not forget, the Heat are in first place in the East... Don't jump off the cliff yet...

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 5:24 pm**

blackthetrucker wrote:
The idea of going big isn't so bad though...

Why not try to get Ryan Anderson from the Hornets... Or M. Gortat from the Suns... Or even T. Mozgov from the Nuggets...

I personally like the thought of trading Allen and Lewis to the Kings for T. Evans...

There are solid free agents too.... K-Mart, D. West, H. Whiteside, J. Vanardo, all would fit right in...

Now this one might surprise some... Trade Charlmers, J.Jones, and a pick to Utah for Moe Williams...

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 6:11 pm**

I wanted Dalembert 2 seasons ago. Now, at his age, notsomuch.

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 6:29 pm**

Ratchet_Rio wrote:
blackthetrucker wrote:
The idea of going big isn't so bad though...

Why not try to get Ryan Anderson from the Hornets... Or M. Gortat from the Suns... Or even T. Mozgov from the Nuggets...

I personally like the thought of trading Allen and Lewis to the Kings for T. Evans...

There are solid free agents too.... K-Mart, D. West, H. Whiteside, J. Vanardo, all would fit right in...

Now this one might surprise some... Trade Charlmers, J.Jones, and a pick to Utah for Moe Williams...

Seriously, what is with these homer trade proposals?

Posted: **Wed Jan 9, 2013 6:41 pm**

Miami will be the East champ whether they get another big or not. However it will not be as easy as last year as there is no good way to change the rebounding issue with the current roster. Haslem, Anthony, etc worked in prior years but age on Haslem has made him less useful. Miami has to have less than a 50/50 chance of beating the West representative because the top 4 teams have strong inside play ( although OKC is our best match-up)

Chalmers is expendable for a big. Dalembert does play defense and rebounds and that is what Miami needs. Don't know if he can move quick enough to be worth giving up Chalmers. Evans would work but the Nets won't trade him. Humphrey would be available and he had been a strong rebounder but matching salary $ would be an issue.

I expected Miami to semi coast through the season. There is no way Miami is not the #1 seed. However LeBron is working too hard and he's getting very little consistent help. Poor defense and rebounding certainly could be improved with more effort and dedication but that is not always something that can be turned on after its been off for so long. That is the big ? for Miami in the post season. Getting an energy player in a trade could help energize the whole team.

Looking at Kenyon last year, I find it hard to believe he is worth signing. There is also a good reason that Anderson is still unsigned. If Miami is going to take a flyer on someone I'd rather it be a young big who would do anything to be in the NBA.

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:19 am**

No changes to the core should be made.

Chalmers has big games in him, that's what you need in the playoffs.

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:40 am**

The only untouchable players on this team are, LeBron, Wade, Bosh, and maybe Haslem. The only players worth keeping are, Shane Battier, Ray Allen, and Cole. I couldn't care less about the rest. Chalmers is one of the stupidest players that I've seen ever. It's quite amazing that he was able to obtained a starting position especially on a championship contender. I've never seen a starting PG made as much cringe-worthy/boneheaded plays as Chalmers had done throughout his career. If the Heat were to trade him for a starting big like Dalembert, I'd even go out on a limb to say that the Heat would rob the Bucks on that trade.

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:51 am**

How about we trade varnado and Dexter Pittman for Marc gasol?

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