Miami Heat Loyalty

HeatGuyInChicago · Post #1 » by **HeatGuyInChicago** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:31 pm

I find it hilarious when posters mention to trade players that have taken a paycut to play for this franchise. Heat Loyalty is one of the reasons why premier Free Agents want to play for this franchise. The only player that I remember that we were not loyal to is Lamar Odom. We traded him for Shaq, a player worth breaking loyalty for. UD has been constantly mentioned as trade fodder. UD has saved this franchise a lot of money including Luxury Tax money on his salary. They will not trade him unless a marquee player is available, and there is a willing trade partner to make such a trade. It is highly unlikely UD will ever be traded. I can only see him being traded in the last year of his contract. It's more likely to see him retire as a Miami Heat with a front office job waiting.

HeatDaChamps · Post #2 » by **HeatDaChamps** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:29 pm

HeatGuyInChicago wrote:I find it hilarious when posters mention to trade players that have taken a paycut to play for this franchise. Heat Loyalty is one of the reasons why premier Free Agents want to play for this franchise. The only player that I remember that we were not loyal to is Lamar Odom. We traded him for Shaq, a player worth breaking loyalty for. UD has been constantly mentioned as trade fodder. UD has saved this franchise a lot of money including Luxury Tax money on his salary. They will not trade him unless a marquee player is available, and there is a willing trade partner to make such a trade. It is highly unlikely UD will ever be traded. I can only see him being traded in the last year of his contract. It's more likely to see him retire as a Miami Heat with a front office job waiting.

so you're saying its not ok to want to trade players....BUT its ok if its for a marquee player? lol...this is a business, we will trade players if we think its the right move to make. And btw we didnt just trade Odom, we also traded Caron, and Brian Grant. We also traded Shaq for Shawn Marion, who wasnt a marquee player so....

ultratropical24 · Post #3 » by **ultratropical24** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:29 pm

There are alot of "Heat fans" indirectly undervaluing Wade on this thread. They would involve him in trade proposals, and completely ignore his contribution to the team, but majority of these guys are LeBron nuthuggers anyway.

Smash3 · Post #4 » by **Smash3** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:32 pm

HeatGuyInChicago wrote:I find it hilarious when posters mention to trade players that have taken a paycut to play for this franchise. Heat Loyalty is one of the reasons why premier Free Agents want to play for this franchise. The only player that I remember that we were not loyal to is Lamar Odom. We traded him for Shaq, a player worth breaking loyalty for. UD has been constantly mentioned as trade fodder. UD has saved this franchise a lot of money including Luxury Tax money on his salary. They will not trade him unless a marquee player is available, and there is a willing trade partner to make such a trade. It is highly unlikely UD will ever be traded. I can only see him being traded in the last year of his contract. It's more likely to see him retire as a Miami Heat with a front office job waiting.

Gtfo, stopped reading after that part, you undermined your whole post and its purpose.

fast-break · Post #5 » by **fast-break** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:34 pm

Smash3 wrote:
HeatGuyInChicago wrote:I find it hilarious when posters mention to trade players that have taken a paycut to play for this franchise. Heat Loyalty is one of the reasons why premier Free Agents want to play for this franchise. The only player that I remember that we were not loyal to is Lamar Odom. We traded him for Shaq, a player worth breaking loyalty for. UD has been constantly mentioned as trade fodder. UD has saved this franchise a lot of money including Luxury Tax money on his salary. They will not trade him unless a marquee player is available, and there is a willing trade partner to make such a trade. It is highly unlikely UD will ever be traded. I can only see him being traded in the last year of his contract. It's more likely to see him retire as a Miami Heat with a front office job waiting.

Gtfo, stopped reading after that part, you undermined your whole post and its purpose.

lol...I'm just sure that guy wouldn't do UD for Faried.

Yeah **** right.

Vertical Limit · Post #6 » by **Vertical Limit** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:35 pm

HeatDaChamps wrote:
HeatGuyInChicago wrote:I find it hilarious when posters mention to trade players that have taken a paycut to play for this franchise. Heat Loyalty is one of the reasons why premier Free Agents want to play for this franchise. The only player that I remember that we were not loyal to is Lamar Odom. We traded him for Shaq, a player worth breaking loyalty for. UD has been constantly mentioned as trade fodder. UD has saved this franchise a lot of money including Luxury Tax money on his salary. They will not trade him unless a marquee player is available, and there is a willing trade partner to make such a trade. It is highly unlikely UD will ever be traded. I can only see him being traded in the last year of his contract. It's more likely to see him retire as a Miami Heat with a front office job waiting.

so you're saying its not ok to want to trade players....BUT its ok if its for a marquee player? lol...this is a business, we will trade players if we think its the right move to make. And btw we didnt just trade Odom, we also traded Caron, and Brian Grant. We also traded Shaq for Shawn Marion, who wasnt a marquee player so....

Not going to happen with Haslem. Haslem would pull a Zo and not show up to the other team, he has sacrificed too much money (about 40 million) to be backstabbed by us. Riley knows this and Udonis is untradeable because of it.

RexBoyWonder · Post #7 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:36 pm

NOBODY around this forum is suggesting we trade Wade or UD (no one will take him anyway, even if we tried, and we shouldn't try).

So basically the OP just wanted to show what kind of a rare, true loyal super-fan he is, unlike all the posters that want to trade Wade and UD, only problem is - those posters dont exist.

HeatDaChamps · Post #8 » by **HeatDaChamps** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:38 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:
HeatDaChamps wrote:
HeatGuyInChicago wrote:I find it hilarious when posters mention to trade players that have taken a paycut to play for this franchise. Heat Loyalty is one of the reasons why premier Free Agents want to play for this franchise. The only player that I remember that we were not loyal to is Lamar Odom. We traded him for Shaq, a player worth breaking loyalty for. UD has been constantly mentioned as trade fodder. UD has saved this franchise a lot of money including Luxury Tax money on his salary. They will not trade him unless a marquee player is available, and there is a willing trade partner to make such a trade. It is highly unlikely UD will ever be traded. I can only see him being traded in the last year of his contract. It's more likely to see him retire as a Miami Heat with a front office job waiting.

so you're saying its not ok to want to trade players....BUT its ok if its for a marquee player? lol...this is a business, we will trade players if we think its the right move to make. And btw we didnt just trade Odom, we also traded Caron, and Brian Grant. We also traded Shaq for Shawn Marion, who wasnt a marquee player so....

Not going to happen with Haslem. Haslem would pull a Zo and not show up to the other team, he has sacrificed too much money (about 40 million) to be backstabbed by us. Riley knows this and Udonis is untradeable because of it.

Did NOT say UD would be like Shaq for that matter, but you're telling me if the RIGHT TRADE came along, that would put this franchise over the top, that Riley wouldnt put UD in the package? Yes he would, because hes Pat Riley and hes going to do whats right for this franchise. UD is not "untradeable" come on...lol

Vertical Limit · Post #9 » by **Vertical Limit** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:33 pm

HeatDaChamps wrote:Did NOT say UD would be like Shaq for that matter, but you're telling me if the RIGHT TRADE came along, that would put this franchise over the top, that Riley wouldnt put UD in the package? Yes he would, because hes Pat Riley and hes going to do whats right for this franchise. UD is not "untradeable" come on...lol

He is untradeable whether you like it or not. I don't like it, I have said before in other threads I wish we weren't so personal but it is what it is, Haslem could have accepted a much larger contract to play for Dallas, he accepted 50% less to stay here. Haslem could have accepted a much larger contract to play for OKC, again he accepted much less to stay here. Haslem has sacrificed too much, and Riley will not trade him away.

http://www.nba.com/heat/gallery/hpg0910 ... 609_1.html

Trust me the Heat ain't doing things like that to bring back Chalmers when his contract is up.

HeatGuyInChicago · Post #10 » by **HeatGuyInChicago** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:35 pm

HeatDaChamps wrote:
HeatGuyInChicago wrote:I find it hilarious when posters mention to trade players that have taken a paycut to play for this franchise. Heat Loyalty is one of the reasons why premier Free Agents want to play for this franchise. The only player that I remember that we were not loyal to is Lamar Odom. We traded him for Shaq, a player worth breaking loyalty for. UD has been constantly mentioned as trade fodder. UD has saved this franchise a lot of money including Luxury Tax money on his salary. They will not trade him unless a marquee player is available, and there is a willing trade partner to make such a trade. It is highly unlikely UD will ever be traded. I can only see him being traded in the last year of his contract. It's more likely to see him retire as a Miami Heat with a front office job waiting.

so you're saying its not ok to want to trade players....BUT its ok if its for a marquee player? lol...this is a business, we will trade players if we think its the right move to make. And btw we didnt just trade Odom, we also traded Caron, and Brian Grant. We also traded Shaq for Shawn Marion, who wasnt a marquee player so....

Wow. No where in my post, did I say I want or not want Haslem to be traded. I was merely trying to point out the likelihood of Haslem being traded given the loyalty of the organization to him. If he is traded, then something really special is coming back. It's going to take a willing trade partner to make that happen making the likelihood of that happening really low. Anyone who signed up here for less money most likely will not be traded.

Sorry to disappoint you, but business is not business. There is a human factor involved. If you don't believe it, look at how the Marlins are run. They are cut throat business men. Which free agent is going to take a discount to go to the Marlins. They angered their main asset Gian Carlo Stanton. He will never resign with them.

Vertical Limit · Post #11 » by **Vertical Limit** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:39 pm

The problem is some fans haven't been fans long enough of this organization to understand how the Miami Heat operates. This isn't NBA 2K13 or what ever game there is out there. And this isn't the Lakers where a guy like Gasol who was arguably a Finals MVP a few years ago is now available and they even traded away Odom their sixth man of the year as if he was of no value to them anymore.

That's not the Miami Heat. Riley and the Arisons love Haslem as if he were family, especially Mickey. Guy talks about Haslem like if it were his own son.

ricochet · Post #12 » by **ricochet** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:46 pm

UD, Wade etc are not being traded.. Anyone who has been a Heat fan for long knows that. It's downright stupid and insulting to think so. Loyalty is one of the biggest qualities our franchise is valued for.
Our trade pieces are Picks and Mybe 3pt Shooters like Shard and JJ. That's it..

Pimpwerx · Post #13 » by **Pimpwerx** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:36 am

I don't think we trade anyone, but I bet Pat would mull over Bosh for Dwight, if that ever became a possibility. Paycuts and loyalty are gonna be forgotten if you can trade up for an elite player. I like the team we got though. I don't mind if everyone stays. PEACE.

Grumpy Heat Fan · Post #14 » by **Grumpy Heat Fan** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:31 pm

If anyone is traded, it's Bosh.

Dwyane Wade retires in a Heat uniform, come hell or high water. I don't care.

Zasterror · Post #15 » by **Zasterror** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:54 pm

Lol @ UD being traded

King_John · Post #16 » by **King_John** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:05 pm

just cut the loyality crap. Nba is a business and there is no such thing as love and loyality towards a player. Arison and Riley are businessman and they will decide whats best from a business point of view. Anyone who belives all of this oh we love UD so much we would never trade lives in a dream world...look what happened to Odom in LA...Heat aren t any different than any other NBA team

HeatGuyInChicago · Post #17 » by **HeatGuyInChicago** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:53 pm

People really don't read very well. No one is saying UD is untradable. If he is traded, it is for a significant player. Even UD wants best for this franchise. As said repeatably, it's going to take a willing trade participant to make that happen. The chances of him being traded are very low because of that.

Pimpwerx · Post #18 » by **Pimpwerx** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:51 pm

King_John wrote:just cut the loyality crap. Nba is a business and there is no such thing as love and loyality towards a player. Arison and Riley are businessman and they will decide whats best from a business point of view. Anyone who belives all of this oh we love UD so much we would never trade lives in a dream world...look what happened to Odom in LA...Heat aren t any different than any other NBA team

He left $20M on the table to stay here, in his hometown. I'm not all that sentimental about rosters, but he means far too much to this team and has given too much to this team for the organization to just turn its back on him. He gave us a lift in the 2011 playoffs, and had his moments last year, when Bosh went down. His skills may diminish, but he embodies everything I love about this team. He'll probably be traded, but I hope it's not until he's an expiring contract. UD deserves better than that. PEACE.

Flash4thewin · Post #19 » by **Flash4thewin** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:48 pm

UD brings more to the table than what he would fetch in a trade. His trade value is just not high.

imchillin · Post #20 » by **imchillin** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:06 am

Pimpwerx wrote:
King_John wrote:just cut the loyality crap. Nba is a business and there is no such thing as love and loyality towards a player. Arison and Riley are businessman and they will decide whats best from a business point of view. Anyone who belives all of this oh we love UD so much we would never trade lives in a dream world...look what happened to Odom in LA...Heat aren t any different than any other NBA team

He left $20M on the table to stay here, in his hometown. I'm not all that sentimental about rosters, but he means far too much to this team and has given too much to this team for the organization to just turn its back on him. He gave us a lift in the 2011 playoffs, and had his moments last year, when Bosh went down. His skills may diminish, but he embodies everything I love about this team. He'll probably be traded, but I hope it's not until he's an expiring contract. UD deserves better than that. PEACE.

his play is worth vet minimum. Thanks for everything else UD