Norris Cole's ceiling

[Sc0pe92]

Norris cole has been improving these last couple of game and I really like what ive been seen out of him as of late. If he keeps improving where do you see his ceiling?

[fast-break]

It's not very high but there's no question he has improved in decision making as hes made better ones more frequently than ever before. The jumpshot needs improvement, but most nights I'd rather have him on the floor than Chalmers easily...so I guess that's his ceiling there, starting over Chalmers and becoming a formidable role player.

[EscapoTHB]

Poor man's Kenny Smith. Tough physical defender. Probably in the next three or four years becomes a knock down 3 point shooter at least of Chalmers level. Can use his quickness to get into the paint and take contact.

For him the two things offensively will be mastering a floater, and getting his 3 point shot down.

He can be a lot better than Chalmers because he's more focused and plays tougher defense. He should at least end up being as good as CJ Watson.

[RexBoyWonder]

Maybe an Avery Johonson type PG? not really similar..

It's an intersting question but im having trouble finiding players that remind me of him.

I agree the most important thing for him is getting his outside shot to be reliable, he's mid-range shot looks decent but the 3 point isn't there yet.

Edit : Maybe a Darren Collison type player..

[Sc0pe92]

Maybe an Avery Johonson type PG? not really similar..

It's an intersting question but im having trouble finiding players that remind me of him.

I agree the most important thing for him is getting his outside shot to be reliable, he's mid-range shot looks decent but the 3 point isn't there yet.

Edit : Maybe a Darren Collison type player..

Yeah thats pretty much why I asked the question I found it difficult to compare him to any pg at the moment but collison is the closest I can get

[Mars]

I'm thinking a slightly better version of Will Bynum.

[Heat_Fan_87]

Low ceiling. His jump shot is so inconsistent, and he is awful at finishing around the rim. Once in a while he makes the right pass, but he has a long way to go.

[420]

JJ Barrea but more versatile on offense and capable of defending.

[Riodagoat]

High ceiling, but he will not reach that. He is low in the +- and commits a lot of silly turnovers. He still hasn't developed a decent tear drop or floater that results him to getting blocked constantly in the paint. The shooting is very inconsistent too. I dont ser him being any worse than Rio though.

[GreenHat]

People see Cole as having a high ceiling because he's fast and only in his second year. What they need to take into account is that he's already 24.

It would be different if he's 20 then I would be more confident he could cut down his turnovers, improve his shot and get better at finishing.

At 24 it seems unlikely. Right now the only thing he's good at is being quick. I hope he develops Jason Kidd's shot, Tony Parker's floater and floor game but again being 24 already I'm not that optimistic. I hope I'm wrong

[dolphinatik]

he can dish, guard and he can handle... he can work on perfecting a shot so I think his ceiling is high. History says he wont reach potential on this team but its possible. I think it is way too early to have a thread about him though.

[EscapoTHB]

People see Cole as having a high ceiling because he's fast and only in his second year. What they need to take into account is that he's already 24.

It would be different if he's 20 then I would be more confident he could cut down his turnovers, improve his shot and get better at finishing.

At 24 it seems unlikely. Right now the only thing he's good at is being quick. I hope he develops Jason Kidd's shot, Tony Parker's floater and floor game but again being 24 already I'm not that optimistic. I hope I'm wrong

Jason Kidd didn't get a j until his 30s. Cole has plenty of time to develop. He is a lot better than last year Imo.

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[Heat_Fan_87]

normally when a guy goes to school for 4 years his ceiling isn't very high(with exceptions, timmy d)

[PLUGITUP9]

It's hard to gauge. He doesn't start and doesn't always play consistent minutes.

He is a very good defender but to be honest he's not ready to run an offense. Lucky for him he's got Bron to do that, however, seeing as he's not a spot up shooter what is value? Defence mainly?

Mario is way too inconsistent but when he shows up Miami are hard to beat that's what I still have yet to see from Cole - turning up in the big ones. Not saying he hasn't but can't recall anything big. Good backup but still not a starter for me until he can score more and distribute. He might get there but his ceiling isn't heaps higher than what you see right now just a little more with increased minutes.

[The Gump]

I would say Lindsey Hunter at best, but he's probably closer to his ceiling than a lot of people think. He's not a natural playmaker and probably never will be. He's also not the best finisher at the rim. The one thing that can make him a viable starting PG is developing consistency with his jumper. I've been really disappointed he hasn't shot it better this year after how he shot the ball in the preseason. I really thought he had broken through.

But 24% on threes and an eFG% of 38 on jumpers is just terrible for a small guard. He has to get much better if he wants to be a starter at this level.

[GreenHat]

People see Cole as having a high ceiling because he's fast and only in his second year. What they need to take into account is that he's already 24.

It would be different if he's 20 then I would be more confident he could cut down his turnovers, improve his shot and get better at finishing.

At 24 it seems unlikely. Right now the only thing he's good at is being quick. I hope he develops Jason Kidd's shot, Tony Parker's floater and floor game but again being 24 already I'm not that optimistic. I hope I'm wrong

Jason Kidd didn't get a j until his 30s. Cole has plenty of time to develop. He is a lot better than last year Imo.

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That was my point, if he can do all of that. There are plenty of people who couldn't shoot at 24 and never could. Kidd is the exception not the rule.

Jason Kidd already had every other facet of the game at an elite level though (defense, rebounding, playmaking, ball handling, etc)

24 is pretty far down the developmental curve already, especially for someone who doesn't have a crazy raw ability like being an athletic 7 footer. I really can't think of any pgs that were at this level at 24 and then put it all together in the modern game.

Hopefully Cole is the first but I think we'll find someone else before that comes up.

[420]

That was my point, if he can do all of that. There are plenty of people who couldn't shoot at 24 and never could. Kidd is the exception not the rule.

Jason Kidd already had every other facet of the game at an elite level though (defense, rebounding, playmaking, ball handling, etc)

24 is pretty far down the developmental curve already, especially for someone who doesn't have a crazy raw ability like being an athletic 7 footer. I really can't think of any pgs that were at this level at 24 and then put it all together in the modern game.

Hopefully Cole is the first but I think we'll find someone else before that comes up.

Not sure if he qualifies by your standards, but it took Chauncey Billups 6 seasons (age 26) and the keys to the offense to become a good player.

It all depends on what people's expectations here are. I know a lot of people expect our guys to put up good stats night in and night out without any consideration of what their role on the team is or an understanding that there are only a certain amount of stats that can be had per any game for each team. Like if you put each of our players as the #1 option on separate teams, their stats would be much, much better because their role is bigger. You can't expect that to translate over to a title contender where everyone is capable but the opportunities are limited.