2012 Lebron vs. 2013 Lebron

TheChosen618 · Post #1 » by **TheChosen618** » Thu May 23, 2013 10:42 pm

Which version of Lebron do you guys like better right now? I know the 2013 season isn't done yet, so we can't fully evaluate him yet. But as of now, which version of Lebron do you prefer?

Buju · Post #2 » by **Buju** » Thu May 23, 2013 11:00 pm

Can't decide - Both equally IMO

Win-win situation.

Yeah his "Stats" were a little better in 2012 but it can change in this series also the finals.

shanedude · Post #3 » by **shanedude** » Thu May 23, 2013 11:10 pm

2012 had a better post game.

fast-break · Post #4 » by **fast-break** » Thu May 23, 2013 11:11 pm

Both were/are great. The post season isn't over yet for him to matchup with 2012 version though (i.e. leading to another championship.)

nunemouse · Post #5 » by **nunemouse** » Fri May 24, 2013 12:17 am

Regardless of the outcome, 2013 Lebron is a notch above 2012 Lebron. In the regular season, it's not really that close (relatively speaking), though his volume went down by a small amount (0.5 ppg), his efficiency went up by 3.5% TS. He also averaged less turnovers per game while dishing out 1.1 more assists. These in total make up the decent 1 PER difference between the two and even larger .024 difference in WS48.

In postseason its CLOSER perse, but I think that Lebron 2013 still has the edge. Lebron didn't have to work as hard this year as he did last year, and this could be a reason why his game seems underwhelming compared to what we have gotten used to seeing him do in stretches of the regular season. Thus, though his scoring numbers have decreased and his statistical impact has decreased in the postseason from 2012 to 2013, the play itself has improved from '13 to '12. The discrepancy in numbers should be analyzed in light of the laid-back nature of Heat's 2013 playoff run.

TheChosen618 · Post #6 » by **TheChosen618** » Fri May 24, 2013 12:25 am

nunemouse wrote: Thus, though his scoring numbers have decreased and his statistical impact has decreased in the postseason from 2012 to 2013, the play itself has improved from '13 to '12. The discrepancy in numbers should be analyzed in light of the laid-back nature of Heat's 2013 playoff run.

I don't know how you came up with that.

Are you saying since the Heat are better in 2013 that means that Lebron is also better? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It would be like saying 01 Shaq is better than 00 Shaq just because he didn't have to produce as much but he was winning easier in 01 than 00 due to his help.

I understand that Lebron this post-season doesn't have to play as well to win games like he did last post-season, but that doesn't mean he as an individual has been better.

I agree with your regular season analysis though, but absolutely not with your post-season one.

nunemouse · Post #7 » by **nunemouse** » Fri May 24, 2013 12:45 am

Lebron reached a level of play in 2013 that he hadn't previously reached in his career. When looking at his postseason in 2013, you should keep that in perspective. The Heat's average opponent SRS in the first two rounds of playoffs is -0.92, where as in 2012 it was a significantly stronger +2.49. Heat in 2013 outscored their opponents by an average of 13.9 ppg through the first two rounds (also went out of 2 rounds in 9 games). In 2012, it took them 11 games and the margin was 7.5 ppg. The Heat faced significantly tougher competition in 2012. As a result, Lebron does not have to assert himself as much (we see this in his passiveness) as he did in 2012, explaining his numbers. Lebron has never been a person to stat-pad vs lesser teams, instead he does the opposite, his numbers increase during big games against quality teams. The 2013 postseason dip in numbers are most likely due to the strength of the Heat's opponents rather than him having regressed as a player since the 2013 RS (thus making 2013 PS definitively better from a play standpoint than 2012).

AllFor2014 · Post #8 » by **AllFor2014** » Fri May 24, 2013 12:53 am

Well he is the greatest!!!!! No matter the year!!!! Yay lebron

Ps heat is the best!!!

AllFor2014 · Post #9 » by **AllFor2014** » Fri May 24, 2013 1:01 am

And I know lebron is best 2013 so my name is AllFor2014 cuz he alredy best now so it's all for 2014 now!!! Also I want to make nba in 2014!!!! I practice and want to be like lebron and play for the heat!!!

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #10 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Fri May 24, 2013 1:19 am

i am seeing few too many flashbacks to 2011 from lebron this postseason. Hopefully those become fewer and fewer over the next games.

seminoles1993 · Post #11 » by **seminoles1993** » Fri May 24, 2013 1:28 am

I'm probably gonna have to go with the 2013 Lebron as the better on but 2012 Lebron was so much more aggressively attacking the basket. He's camp down in the paint all game. I remember him not shooting the J well at all and he still averaged 30 points due to paint points and free throws

weouthere · Post #12 » by **weouthere** » Fri May 24, 2013 1:56 am

Heat_Fan_87 wrote:i am seeing few too many flashbacks to 2011 from lebron this postseason. Hopefully those become fewer and fewer over the next games.

I honestly don't get why people keep saying he's passive. We have a better team. He picks his moments better, it's not 2011

I only wish he'd drive the ball more instead of the jumpers he's taking. That's the only thing. And we haven't lost any games because he was passive. So I don't get the whole lebron 2011 flashback shid. Maybe I will if we lose a series that he just stood and watch happen. Mofuggas need to pull their weight that's what. Ray, battier, Chalmers all of them

TheChosen618 · Post #13 » by **TheChosen618** » Fri May 24, 2013 3:13 am

seminoles1993 wrote:I'm probably gonna have to go with the 2013 Lebron as the better on but 2012 Lebron was so much more aggressively attacking the basket. He's camp down in the paint all game. I remember him not shooting the J well at all and he still averaged 30 points due to paint points and free throws

Lebron's J disappeared in the Finals, but it was pretty money in the first 3 series and he did knock down some clutch jumpers in the Finals too.

I think ability wise, Lebron is better now, but I'm not liking his mentality and effort level this season compared to last.

He was incredibly relentless last season and he also played a lot in the post. I would like to see him go back to that for the remainder of the playoffs.

Tien · Post #14 » by **Tien** » Fri May 24, 2013 4:45 am

2013 LeBron best Lebron. I count 3 bad games out of all regular season + playoffs. 3 bad games.

MiamiRadio · Post #15 » by **MiamiRadio** » Fri May 24, 2013 6:37 am

Wayyyy too early to judge at this point, the first game that he looked actually into it = Game 1 vs the pacers and = 30-10-10 so... lets see (:

DWadeno3 · Post #16 » by **DWadeno3** » Fri May 24, 2013 9:27 am

TheChosen618 wrote:
seminoles1993 wrote:I'm probably gonna have to go with the 2013 Lebron as the better on but 2012 Lebron was so much more aggressively attacking the basket. He's camp down in the paint all game. I remember him not shooting the J well at all and he still averaged 30 points due to paint points and free throws

Lebron's J disappeared in the Finals, but it was pretty money in the first 3 series and he did knock down some clutch jumpers in the Finals too.

I think ability wise, Lebron is better now, but I'm not liking his mentality and effort level this season compared to last.

He was incredibly relentless last season and he also played a lot in the post. I would like to see him go back to that for the remainder of the playoffs.

When die LeBron knock down "clutch" jumpers in the 2011 Finals? Never, I just looked through the play-by-play and it still gives one headaches as to how we could let that one slip away.

As for the thread, it's pointless. He's playing great in both years and we're winning, so that's all that matters. If we come short this year, this thread might be worth something.

TheChosen618 · Post #17 » by **TheChosen618** » Fri May 24, 2013 12:52 pm

DWadeno3 wrote:When die LeBron knock down "clutch" jumpers in the 2011 Finals? Never, I just looked through the play-by-play and it still gives one headaches as to how we could let that one slip away.

As for the thread, it's pointless. He's playing great in both years and we're winning, so that's all that matters. If we come short this year, this thread might be worth something.

Why would I be referring to 2011 Lebron and the Finals? I was refering to 2012 Lebron and he knocked down plenty of clutch jumpers, like that game winning bank shot in Game 2 and then that huge 3 when he suffered cramps.

DWadeno3 · Post #18 » by **DWadeno3** » Fri May 24, 2013 1:30 pm

TheChosen618 wrote:
DWadeno3 wrote:When die LeBron knock down "clutch" jumpers in the 2011 Finals? Never, I just looked through the play-by-play and it still gives one headaches as to how we could let that one slip away.

As for the thread, it's pointless. He's playing great in both years and we're winning, so that's all that matters. If we come short this year, this thread might be worth something.

Why would I be referring to 2011 Lebron and the Finals? I was refering to 2012 Lebron and he knocked down plenty of clutch jumpers, like that game winning bank shot in Game 2 and then that huge 3 when he suffered cramps.

I misread the posts on my phone.

Nonetheless, I don't see the point in this thread unless we fail to win a title.

fast-break · Post #19 » by **fast-break** » Fri May 24, 2013 2:37 pm

weouthere wrote:
Heat_Fan_87 wrote:i am seeing few too many flashbacks to 2011 from lebron this postseason. Hopefully those become fewer and fewer over the next games.

I honestly don't get why people keep saying he's passive. We have a better team. He picks his moments better, it's not 2011

I only wish he'd drive the ball more instead of the jumpers he's taking. That's the only thing. And we haven't lost any games because he was passive. So I don't get the whole lebron 2011 flashback shid. Maybe I will if we lose a series that he just stood and watch happen. Mofuggas need to pull their weight that's what. Ray, battier, Chalmers all of them

Ya...I don't get it either. I can only assume these people didn't watch the 2011 Finals...lol. Not even close to the same. Maybe "flashes of 2011" are supposed to mean the rare moments he happens to struggle shooting the ball or makes a sloppy turnover? Otherwise I don't get it. This is the playoffs...you're not going to always get the best shot or make the right pass and nothing comes easy. Overall Lebron has been the best post season performer on a team that's currently 9-1. Can't ask for much more than that...except for another championship lol.

I agree though he was far more aggressive at rim in the 2012 run, kind of looks like he's conserving energy at times in the game... but after a year straight of basketball...I get it.

narmerguy · Post #20 » by **narmerguy** » Fri May 24, 2013 4:34 pm

2012 Lebron seemed more aggressive in scoring. 2013 Lebron seems to be more efficient in picking moments. I think it's easy to pick 2012 now because Lebron hasn't had any crazy dominant games like he did in the 2012 playoffs (just absolute monster games against pacers, celts, and thunder). We tend to remember the highs a lot, and don't feel the same emotional reaction over someone shooting more efficiently (unless we're talking 60-70% kind of stuff).