Small Ball/SpoBot

Post #1 » by **GameTime_3** » Sat May 25, 2013 3:50 am

After 2 games its pretty obvious going Small has not worked. Battier is getting killed and Ray Allen is Mike Bibby bad.

The Small Lineup worked vs. OKC! But it hasn't this series.

Y do we keep playing Mario & Cole instead of another big guard for rebound crashing?

SpoBot will cost us a series and a waste of another Big 3 year.

If we lose because of Spo ill retire as mod and sell the majority of tickets. I can't support a coach this stubborn.

Going Small only works when you hit your shots and were ice cold.

dreamchaser · Post #2 » by **dreamchaser** » Sat May 25, 2013 4:22 am

Small ball actually got us a lot of opening lanes for LeBron to attack. Can't use Spo as an excuse for this loss tonight. This all comes down to the players (Not named LeBron James)...

ReturnofMVP3 · Post #3 » by **ReturnofMVP3** » Sat May 25, 2013 4:24 am

No Spo is a great coach this season!!!

Okay I have said it all along this guy is a moron. Haslem should have not played that much and they should have tried getting birdman more involved on offense. Cole Should have taken more of chalmers minutes too (though cole was off tonight too). I still don't get why Miller didn't get a chance especially after he hit that 3 right before half time.

Spo is just a horrible offensive coach.

Zefyr · Post #4 » by **Zefyr** » Sat May 25, 2013 4:28 am

if only birdman can play 30 mpg

Altered_Beast · Post #5 » by **Altered_Beast** » Sat May 25, 2013 4:31 am

missing 9 freethrows and having zero bench production lost us the game not spos lineups

LuckyLuke007 · Post #6 » by **LuckyLuke007** » Sat May 25, 2013 4:36 am

But at some point your're coach has to notice what works or not!!! This ain't soccer, pregame talk, one at halftime + 3 Subs. You have to adjust quickly on multiple occassions! He fails on this subject almost every game. I have headache only from looking at his signature facial expression "oh well what's next LBJ... Wade...Staff...Mommy??!!??" I think if we lose this series he will be gone fishing for an extended period of time

Post #7 » by **GameTime_3** » Sat May 25, 2013 4:37 am

When I look at Small Ball, not only did we MISS Everything from Ray/Battier but were getting KILLED on the other END. Shane is being asked to do something he can't and then we wonder why his having a bad run. He has no legs due to him fight with someone 50 pounds heavier. Also....why do we need Mario/Cole on the floor when both are terrible? Why not put Battier to defend a Guard? Or Haslem to grab rebounds and defend West?

Spo won with SMALL ball and now all he wants to do is SMALL BALL.

If we lose another chance at a Title that would put Spo as 1-2 with BIG 3. For all of those who defend him with regular season victory's and meaningless game win, I will point to always falling short with him.

HEAT111 · Post #8 » by **HEAT111** » Sat May 25, 2013 4:38 am

It's a collective fault. I said it in the beginning of the Gamethread, go to Miller. Spo's fault. Battier and Ray need to EXECUTE. LeBron had the game but those two turnovers, Wade with that floater. I believe we can steal one at Indy or take both. I'm currently watching Bosh talking to the press. I like it. Good insight.

Post #9 » by **GameTime_3** » Sat May 25, 2013 4:47 am

HEAT111 wrote:It's a collective fault. I said it in the beginning of the Gamethread, go to Miller. Spo's fault. Battier and Ray need to EXECUTE. LeBron had the game but those two turnovers, Wade with that floater. I believe we can steal one at Indy or take both. I'm currently watching Bosh talking to the press. I like it. Good insight.

Allen is off, thats fine. But as a coach you have to see that Allen is off and bringing his team down. Miller is sitting on the bench for a reason? Why not try him more than the 2 minutes you gave him(Oh yea he did hit a BIG Shot in the time)....Battier is getting killed by West and with Battier on the floor, were getting killed inside by Indy...yet we keep Battier in...I strongly feel Battiers terrible shooting is for his lack of lift due to all of his energy being used trying to play D versus someone 50 pounds heavier then him...LeBron choked in the end, it happens. Wade got greedy....YES..all of that is true....But OUR COACH does NOTHING to HELP this TEAM. In stead of adjusting to find a winning solution, he sticks to his game plan as if it has no flaw...WELL.....Were 3 Loses Away from the WORST season in HEAT History.

LuckyLuke007 · Post #10 » by **LuckyLuke007** » Sat May 25, 2013 4:51 am

GameTime_3 wrote:When I look at Small Ball, not only did we MISS Everything from Ray/Battier but were getting KILLED on the other END. Shane is being asked to do something he can't and then we wonder why his having a bad run. He has no legs due to him fight with someone 50 pounds heavier. Also....why do we need Mario/Cole on the floor when both are terrible? Why not put Battier to defend a Guard? Or Haslem to grab rebounds and defend West?

Spo won with SMALL ball and now all he wants to do is SMALL BALL.

If we lose another chance at a Title that would put Spo as 1-2 with BIG 3. For all of those who defend him with regular season victory's and meaningless game win, I will point to always falling short with him.

+1!!!!!

You have so many triggers and ocassions at your disposal as a headcoach during a bball game to utilize your players accordingly and to find out the right adjustments... But hey we have Spobot!!! Game-Time is spot on, try the unconventional path if it means to negate our opponent's strenghts!!! When i'm watching our team on Offense is like watching the same sequence all over again a hundred times... Man i did not go to sleep just to watch this .... here in Europe Jeezzzz!!!! 2 days oh boy it only can get better! Now i can stay up till the champions League final haha!!! Go BVB!!! SPO please take notice!!!

HEAT111 · Post #11 » by **HEAT111** » Sat May 25, 2013 5:02 am

GameTime_3 wrote:
HEAT111 wrote:It's a collective fault. I said it in the beginning of the Gamethread, go to Miller. Spo's fault. Battier and Ray need to EXECUTE. LeBron had the game but those two turnovers, Wade with that floater. I believe we can steal one at Indy or take both. I'm currently watching Bosh talking to the press. I like it. Good insight.

Allen is off, thats fine. But as a coach you have to see that Allen is off and bringing his team down. Miller is sitting on the bench for a reason? Why not try him more than the 2 minutes you gave him(Oh yea he did hit a BIG Shot in the time)....Battier is getting killed by West and with Battier on the floor, were getting killed inside by Indy...yet we keep Battier in...I strongly feel Battiers terrible shooting is for his lack of lift due to all of his energy being used trying to play D versus someone 50 pounds heavier then him...LeBron choked in the end, it happens. Wade got greedy....YES..all of that is true....But OUR COACH does NOTHING to HELP this TEAM. In stead of adjusting to find a winning solution, he sticks to his game plan as if it has no flaw...WELL.....Were 3 Loses Away from the WORST season in HEAT History.

Yeah, no doubt about it. There's was no solution. He even threw Joel out there...seriously. And he did affirm that he was testing, you can't test now...he should have had a backup plan but nothing from Spo.

cb1 · Post #12 » by **cb1** » Sat May 25, 2013 5:04 am

dreamchaser wrote:Small ball actually got us a lot of opening lanes for LeBron to attack. Can't use Spo as an excuse for this loss tonight. This all comes down to the players (Not named LeBron James)...

Defense wins championships. Spacing for Lebron shouldn't take higher priority than defense and rebounding

cb1 · Post #13 » by **cb1** » Sat May 25, 2013 5:06 am

HEAT111 wrote:Yeah, no doubt about it. There's was no solution. He even threw Joel out there...seriously. And he did affirm that he was testing, you can't test now...he should have had a backup plan but nothing from Spo.

Yup. Small ball or death. He probably anticipated this Indiana team matching down to us

Post #14 » by **BFRESH44** » Sat May 25, 2013 5:14 am

LOL Oh lord. I'm pretty sure if Spo had Prime Zo to throw out there, I'm pretty sure he'd play him.

Let's have some perspective here

He's playing the guys he has. We play small, because we are small. This is the roster we have. This is the trade off that we've made collectively as an organization, in effort to maximize the ability of James, Wade, & Bosh. From Riley on down. Prioritizing shooting & spacing over size.

At the end of the day, the players have to get it done.

TheChosen618 · Post #15 » by **TheChosen618** » Sat May 25, 2013 5:19 am

Small ball only works when the small/perimeter players are playing well. This isn't the case right now, but it has been all season long which is why Miami finished with the best record in the NBA.

Lebron playing PF against last year's Pacers wasn't a problem, but this is a different and better Pacers team.

Post #16 » by **GameTime_3** » Sat May 25, 2013 5:20 am

BFRESH44 wrote:LOL Oh lord. I'm pretty sure if Spo had Prime Zo to throw out there, I'm pretty sure he'd play him.

Let's have some perspective here

He's playing the guys he has. We play small, because we are small. This is the roster we have. This is the trade off that we've made collectively as an organization, in effort to maximize the ability of James, Wade, & Bosh. From Riley on down. Prioritizing shooting & spacing over size.

At the end of the day, the players have to get it done.

He has more option then what he is using? Allen is terrible...Why not give Miller a shot? Mario/Cole were TERRIBLE..and I'm not talking shots, I'm talking turnovers and double choices...Why not if you have to play Allen, play him or bring in Haslem just to defend West(WHo is better then Battier). Why not use Birdman down the stretch instead of asking LeBron to defend West?

Boozer killed Battier...We didn't adjust but we had alot more talent then Chicago...West is killing Battier and we don't adjust. There game is simple, they want to pound the ball down low(See last 3 mins of game) and were countering with going smaller then the roster we have and hoping for guard to rebound with the bigs.

Playing SMALL BALL could easily have us down 0-2 right now..but hey...TRUST the SYSTEM.....Its taken us to 1 title and 1 loss! 50% of the time when you have the BEST TEAM & PLAYER IN THE WORLD it works!

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #17 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Sat May 25, 2013 5:42 am

GameTime_3 wrote:
BFRESH44 wrote:LOL Oh lord. I'm pretty sure if Spo had Prime Zo to throw out there, I'm pretty sure he'd play him.

Let's have some perspective here

He's playing the guys he has. We play small, because we are small. This is the roster we have. This is the trade off that we've made collectively as an organization, in effort to maximize the ability of James, Wade, & Bosh. From Riley on down. Prioritizing shooting & spacing over size.

At the end of the day, the players have to get it done.

He has more option then what he is using? Allen is terrible...Why not give Miller a shot? Mario/Cole were TERRIBLE..and I'm not talking shots, I'm talking turnovers and double choices...Why not if you have to play Allen, play him or bring in Haslem just to defend West(WHo is better then Battier). Why not use Birdman down the stretch instead of asking LeBron to defend West?

Boozer killed Battier...We didn't adjust but we had alot more talent then Chicago...West is killing Battier and we don't adjust. There game is simple, they want to pound the ball down low(See last 3 mins of game) and were countering with going smaller then the roster we have and hoping for guard to rebound with the bigs.

Playing SMALL BALL could easily have us down 0-2 right now..but hey...TRUST the SYSTEM.....Its taken us to 1 title and 1 loss! 50% of the time when you have the BEST TEAM & PLAYER IN THE WORLD it works!

he gave miller a shot and miller got hurt.

rio should not have been in at the end, but thats not the reason we lost this game.

i agree to play ray less, but who gets his minutes with miller hurt?

battier played 15minutes, he is not the reason we lost this game

birdman had 5 fouls, he could have been in at the end, but he wasn't doing much on d.

2 main reasons we lost this game imo, the free throws(missing 10, ray missing 2) and fouling. Yes lebrons 2 turnovers at the end hurt, but there was no guarantee we would score on those possessions.

I would like to see a more agressive defense both in the passing lanes and rebounding.

soxfan2003 · Post #18 » by **soxfan2003** » Sat May 25, 2013 5:47 am

Outsiders perspective... small ball can work but one of the problems with the Heat right now is the Heat are small at times and just not that fast and athletic outside of Lebron. Battier, Allen, Haslem, even Wade are not that fast compared to 2-3 years ago. Allen given his constraints actually played decent D tonight but there was at least one occasion in which 2-3 years ago, he probably comes up with a 50/50 ball. And Allen and Battier that aren't hitting a few more shots are hurting the Heat. The Heat played well enough to win this game offensively but the defense just gave up to many points.

In the future, the role players will probably play much better on offense but Lebron shouldn't be counted on to play this well every game.

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #19 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Sat May 25, 2013 5:48 am

soxfan2003 wrote:Outsiders perspective... small ball can work but one of the problems with the Heat right now is the Heat are small at times and just not that fast and athletic outside of Lebron. Battier, Allen, Haslem, even Wade are not that fast compared to 2-3 years ago. Allen given his constraints actually played decent D tonight but there was at least one occasion in which 2-3 years ago, he probably comes up with a 50/50 ball. And Allen and Battier that aren't hitting a few more shots are hurting the Heat. The Heat played well enough to win this game offensively but the defense just gave up to many points.

In the future, the role players will probably play much better on offense but Lebron shouldn't be counted on to play this well every game.

that was a pretty typical lebron game, took a few more jumpers than i would like to see but they were falling. What he needs to do is attacking the rim and putting pressure on indy defense. getting hibbert and george in foul trouble.

narmerguy · Post #20 » by **narmerguy** » Sat May 25, 2013 8:34 am

Spo can do better than this. Our defense against the Pacers is atrocious and that's in no small part thanks to the mismatches that he allows to accumulate. Sure having Battier try to guard West can give us an advantage, but only if he's actually guarding West well and actually making West pay on the other end...neither of which is happening.