Spoelstra

Cane4Ship · Post #1 » by **Cane4Ship** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:28 pm

If Spoelstra is able to win these Finals and the Heat become 2013 champions, when does Spoelstra gain best coach of the league status? Maybe even top 5 of all time?

He's arguably a better coach than Greg Popovich.

Resume:
3 straight finals
3 ECF
1 NBA Championship
27 game win streak

He's the best coach in the league, maybe the last 5 years as well. I would go as far as to say he could be a better coach than Phil Jackson

Buju · Post #2 » by **Buju** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:35 pm

NBAMAN4LIFE · Post #3 » by **NBAMAN4LIFE** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:59 pm

Slow down pal..

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MastaKiiLA · Post #4 » by **MastaKiiLA** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:32 pm

I gave you an and1, but let's pump those brakes until the win is won. This season he has boosted his stock a ton. With the streak, the win tally and the job he's done coaching around Wade and Bosh's problems the last two series. However, we have to seal the deal by winning the last game of the season, then this topic can be a fun discussion. There'll be opposition for sure, but whatever. Let's get the win first. PEACE.

Woodsanity · Post #5 » by **Woodsanity** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:01 am

He is a pretty good coach but stop overrating him geez. He has a long way to go to reach that status but he is constantly improving.

Post #6 » by **DefenseWins** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:13 am

I will be first to say he has improved as a coach, but let's not forget who is on the team as well, who mostly decides whether or not this team advances/wins depending on their play. We are the most fortunate team in the league.

Your last statement was stupid, and I don't usually tell people their statements were stupid...

He's not Filipino Jackson and is FAR from it.

Mourning_Would · Post #7 » by **Mourning_Would** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:44 am

I think I literally got dumber reading that.

Heatles · Post #8 » by **Heatles** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:27 am

DefenseWins wrote:I will be first to say he has improved as a coach, but let's not forget who is on the team as well, who mostly decides whether or not this team advances/wins depending on their play. We are the most fortunate team in the league.

Your last statement was stupid, and I don't usually tell people their statements were stupid...

He's not Filipino Jackson and is FAR from it.

How many great coaches win without some all time greats on their team? Phil Jackson aint won a title without a top 5-10 player of all time on his team. Same with Popovich.

You can't discredit Spo for winning with great talent when it is rare that any coach ever wins without great talent.

Woodsanity · Post #9 » by **Woodsanity** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:42 am

Heatles wrote:
DefenseWins wrote:I will be first to say he has improved as a coach, but let's not forget who is on the team as well, who mostly decides whether or not this team advances/wins depending on their play. We are the most fortunate team in the league.

Your last statement was stupid, and I don't usually tell people their statements were stupid...

He's not Filipino Jackson and is FAR from it.

How many great coaches win without some all time greats on their team? Phil Jackson aint won a title without a top 5-10 player of all time on his team. Same with Popovich.

You can't discredit Spo for winning with great talent when it is rare that any coach ever wins without great talent.

I agree with you but lets hold off on crowning him as a the next PJax....

narmerguy · Post #10 » by **narmerguy** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:41 am

Heatles wrote:
DefenseWins wrote:I will be first to say he has improved as a coach, but let's not forget who is on the team as well, who mostly decides whether or not this team advances/wins depending on their play. We are the most fortunate team in the league.

Your last statement was stupid, and I don't usually tell people their statements were stupid...

He's not Filipino Jackson and is FAR from it.

How many great coaches win without some all time greats on their team? Phil Jackson aint won a title without a top 5-10 player of all time on his team. Same with Popovich.

You can't discredit Spo for winning with great talent when it is rare that any coach ever wins without great talent.

Spo literally has one of the greatest players of all time on his team, in his prime, along with two other incredibly talented players. Now true, most all-time great coaches win with great players, but they don't win one or two championships. They win 4 or 5 or 6. Spo has won one.

Can you imagine if we had Pop coaching this team?

Pure_Basketball · Post #11 » by **Pure_Basketball** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:16 pm

His in game adjustments are pretty horrible and he has a lot of work to do. But his game to game adjustments have been really good, I.E moving Joel Anthony into the rotation against Indiana which was key to us winning that series, and also starting Lebron at the 4 and moving Mike Miller into the SLU was a good move IMO.

It's just during the games I think he doesn't do the right things.

Post #12 » by **DefenseWins** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:08 pm

Heatles wrote:
DefenseWins wrote:I will be first to say he has improved as a coach, but let's not forget who is on the team as well, who mostly decides whether or not this team advances/wins depending on their play. We are the most fortunate team in the league.

Your last statement was stupid, and I don't usually tell people their statements were stupid...

He's not Filipino Jackson and is FAR from it.

How many great coaches win without some all time greats on their team? Phil Jackson aint won a title without a top 5-10 player of all time on his team. Same with Popovich.

You can't discredit Spo for winning with great talent when it is rare that any coach ever wins without great talent.

I knew this was going to be pointed out, and it's very true about Phil. But he did it 6 times in one decade, and 5 times in another, and that's winning, let alone going to the Finals. Has Spo even come close to that? No. He has not even coached that long, let alone coach 2 of the greatest players the last 2 decades. He is still far from Phil. Only thing that is close is that he's coaching the greatest player of this decade. That's a start but you don't become close to the greatest because of a few years of success, when they have had MANY years of success.

krikor · Post #13 » by **krikor** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:52 pm

I will reserve judgment on him after finals. If he wins, then he has done his job perfectly. But if he loses then yeh he sucks.

This heat team is build to win titles, and you will judge the coach at the end by title wins.
I am disliking how we make out of everything last 2 years tough, doesnt seem to have straightforward route.
I will soon die from a heart break thats for sure.

I feel his coaching in the playoffs has been very doc rivers-esque as well.

MastaKiiLA · Post #14 » by **MastaKiiLA** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:30 pm

narmerguy wrote:Spo literally has one of the greatest players of all time on his team, in his prime, along with two other incredibly talented players. Now true, most all-time great coaches win with great players, but they don't win one or two championships. They win 4 or 5 or 6. Spo has won one.

Can you imagine if we had Pop coaching this team?

Phil's rings came with Jordan, Pippen, Shaq and Kobe. Pop won his rings with Duncan, Robinson, Parker and Manu. Riley won his rings with Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Wade and Shaq.

None of those 3 won a title without an all-time great on their roster. That's hardly fair to slight Spo for that. Second, he's 1 for 2 in seasons where he had all this talent. I'm pretty sure Pop was 1 for 2 as well. You're slighting him for essentially following the same path as the guy you praise. PEACE.

Post #15 » by **GameTime_3** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:45 am

LOL @ This topic!

SpoBot is far from a top NBA coach. Spo lacks creativity in his timeouts, sticks to his pre-game routine and rarely every notices anything during the game. I like Spo as a in between game coach and advanced scout but during games, he leaves alot to be desired.

Mutnt · Post #16 » by **Mutnt** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:22 am

CHECK YOUR PM

EscapoTHB · Post #17 » by **EscapoTHB** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:24 am

What would you have done to stop the Spurs offense?

They scored 24 points on 13 "guarded" jumpers tonight. What are we supposed to do? There is no adjustment Spo can make that makes the Spurs shots magically not go in.

Slot Machine · Post #18 » by **Slot Machine** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:56 am

GOAT jinx thread

dreamchaser · Post #19 » by **dreamchaser** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:01 am

Get this jack ass out of Miami asap...

Sonny Carson · Post #20 » by **Sonny Carson** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:02 am

dreamchaser wrote:Get this jack ass out of Miami asap...

At the end of the day...

Spo is a good coach, who can possibly be a great coach. But you know what else? Pat Riley put him in this position. Pat Riley put a guy at HC that doesnt challenge these superstar egos. Pat Riley put a coach thats still learning how to make in game adjustments in crucial games.

I'm done blaming Spo. He could have "Van Gundy'd" him before the start of 2010.

LeBron is allowed to be passive. Wade is allowed to not run back on defense. Bosh is allowed to not always play tough. Chalmers is allowed to play like an idiot.

LETS BE REAL!

WE ARE A GAME 6 EPIC PERFORMANCE from LeBron from going OFER in terms of championships. I am very happy for it and thankful. But you dont try to be a Multi Championship Team without a Super Star head coach. Name the last one?? Name the guy?

Spo with 12 years of NBA Head Coaching would be more prepared to challenge this team. Spo now? Not yet.

Pat made his decision for a young HC to handle 3 egos. He thought any coach could do it. Obviously he didnt think LeBron would come up so small in 2011. ANd he didnt think 2013 the entire team could lack consistent killer instinct.

It is what it is. Its like getting an ALL WORLD cast together for a movie. But you put a talented, but inexperienced director to handle the movie. It would be still good...but not great. It would still have some epic scenes...but the sum of its parts dont add up. You'd still enjoy it..but it wont be like you thought it would be.

I still believe! But the players, Pat, and even though I dont blame him persay...Spo....have all made this a lot harder than it should be.