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Seriously, Lewis playing way too many minutes, Beasley is like the 11th guy off the bench when he is clearly our best bench player.
The whole bench basically checks in before Beasley.

Lewis should play 10 minutes top. Haslem should be glued to the bench in a suit.

And don't give me that spo wants Beas to earn it crap, I'm pretty sure spo didn't earn being gifted James Bosh and Wade. When he clearly wasn't ready for that and everyone wanted him fired, now he acts like some genius with his hold the rope and all his nonsense. Play your best players and that's it.

Beasley should have played more today, he played a perfect game in the first half and deserved more minutes then he got in the second.

With that said, Spo's general attitude is smart and correct. You need to keep Beas on a leash for now, build him up slowly. It will help him on the long run. He's still working on the mental side of the game as we go along. Spo is trying to keep him hungry and focused. I expect this process to move forward as the season goes along, we have time..it's only been 15 games.

Spoelstra is still making Beasley earn his job and I don't have a problem with it. Can't let Beasley get too relaxed, he needs to keep that chip on his shoulder. In the playoffs Lewis won't even see a minute unless there's insane foul trouble.

Also, it's the regular season and I think it's great that we're able to win games without having to play Lebron Wade or Bosh 40+ minutes or 30 minutes to Ray etc.

Off topic and not against the OP, but I have trouble complaining about Spoelstra anymore, the guy is a Top 3 coach in the league.

Js2k0516 wrote:And don't give me that spo wants Beas to earn it crap, I'm pretty sure spo didn't earn being gifted James Bosh and Wade. When he clearly wasn't ready for that and everyone wanted him fired, now he acts like some genius with his hold the rope and all his nonsense. Play your best players and that's it.

I am sorry but this makes no sense. Him being "gifted" the Big 3 should have nothing to do with him being smart with his players, managing their egos and psyches. Coaching in the NBA is as much about strategy as it is about player management, especially on a star-studded team like the Heat.

He should absolutely keep Beasley hungry, motivated, and on a very short leash. This is the same guy who was a cancer on Phoenix and Minnesota. Granted those were bad teams but there's a reason neither of those teams wanted him.

That's pretty absurd logic that he was "gifted" the Big 3 so he shouldn't hold a rope with his players. That's not nonsense, that's being a good coach.

Vertical Limit wrote:Off topic and not against the OP, but I have trouble complaining about Spoelstra anymore, the guy is a Top 3 coach in the league.

I wouldn't go top 3 but I have been getting in a few arguments on Real GM and in real life with me arguing that he's absolutely a top 5 coach in this league.

I wanted him gone too after the Dallas loss but you gotta give credit where credit is due. Dude has grown by leaps and bounds as a coach. The big 3 buy-into whatever he's preaching and that's his biggest strength.

Do you guys think Beasley will eventually replace Allen in the "closing" lineup?


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TheSpursFan wrote:Do you guys think Beasley will eventually replace Allen in the "closing" lineup?


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Allen will always be on the floor for a closing lineup. You can't leave the GOAT 3 point shooter on your bench. That's the whole point of having him here.

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TheSpursFan wrote:Do you guys think Beasley will eventually replace Allen in the "closing" lineup?


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Allen will always be on the floor for a closing lineup. You can't leave the GOAT 3 point shooter on your bench. That's the whole point of having him here.

True.

Just thought it was interesting that Spo has closed with Beasley a couple of times this season...


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It's not about the leash, it's just the fact that Beasley, when giving minutes all he's done is contribute. His past problems shouldn't play a role in this heat team, if he's coming in, contributing, rebounding, defending, scoring, then there is no reason to not play him.

Now if he starts messing up, off court issues etc, then I would totally understand.

Don't we already have a Free Beasley thread?

As for Spo being gifted the Big 3, you have that backwards. Spo was part of the selling point to Lebron and Bosh. You think Wade is telling them to come join him in South Beach with this mediocre coach he dislikes? Lebron, Bosh, and Wade have all completely transformed their games at his direction, and he's gotten Lebron to do things every coach has wanted him to do and none before were able to get him to do. That's great coaching. The players all buy into his system and, when they execute it, it's devastating. That's great coaching. Miami is 13-3 and really one Wade brain fart away from being 14-2, despite Wade, Chalmers, Bosh and Battier (4 of the 5 starters) all missing time, and despite the fact that he's still tinkering with the lineups and rotations. Miami looks like it might be the GOAT offense this year, and that's getting all these guys to play far more unselfishly than they have in the past.

Oh, also, by all accounts he was a bigger part of the recruiting process for Battier, Allen, and Oden than the players were. All three have explicitly mentioned their discussions with him and his vision for their roles on the team as major selling points in coming to Miami. Dude has earned it. Beasley has to do the same.

Beas is definitely showing that he's earning his minutes, and willing do what is asked to earn more. Spo will keep giving him periodic rewards, even when he's not shooting well from the floor if he's doing the right thing.

He's at a career high for PER and is looking like the Beas we all hoped to see in his first stint here.

If he can keep up his current play and efficiency with increasing minutes (up to say 20mpg) then he'd have to be at least in the 6th MoY discussion - it's a great redemption narrative!


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He manages minutes well, and the team's efficiency is off the charts. Nothing to see here.

now i completely agree and want to see Beasley more... Beasley is one of our best players and one of the leagues special talented players. On the other hand I like how we are managing him and would rather Beasley be fresh and ready to lift the heavy load if we ever need him to. There is alot of pressure on Beas from the team and from himself. Every game we get a glimpse of his talent and versatility when playing up to the potential of his talent. I remember Mike Miller getting a light load then got leaned on heavily in the post season. I could see something like that from Beas. That breakout game from Beas where he was banging down low has got me giddy of what a fresh dialed in Beas can do for us in the playoffs. So I will reserve comment until after I see where we are in the playoffs. I like everything ive seen from Beas so far this year and thats good enough for me.

I have no problem with Spo now.

But lets not be naive in thinking he wasnt part of the problem in 2011.

Thankfully him and LeBron have improved. However, up until last year I was worried about him in series with a superior coach. (Lets be honest...2011....was about the Bulls not having enough talent. But the Mavs flustered and confused our star player and the coach had absolutely no answers to at least help him out. In 2012 an old Celtics team took us 7 games...but thankfully LeBron was superman in game 6 and 7. Scott Brooks in not a good HC so it was an easier finals. In 2013.....I had no problems with Spo really. Pop is a mastermind HC, but thankfully for Ray in game 6. Spo coached an excellent game 7. He sold me on his coaching last year)

Now he's earned the right to be considered a top 5 coach. He's "relaxed" a lot more the past couple of years. Good to see.

I understand why spo is doing it, but I would still like chris bosh to play more than 28 minutes a game. I understand about the sacrifices and all that stuff it's just a little sad all the same for me, having watched bosh go from averaging 24 points and 11 rebounds in big minutes with Toronto to 14/6 in 28 minutes this year.

with the bench getting a lot better there are a ton of mouths to feed and it is quite obviously bosh that is the one sacrificing - again.

Eh I'm convinced he's a top 3 coach, and will be the reason Lebron re-signs.

mopper8 wrote:Don't we already have a Free Beasley thread?

As for Spo being gifted the Big 3, you have that backwards. Spo was part of the selling point to Lebron and Bosh. You think Wade is telling them to come join him in South Beach with this mediocre coach he dislikes? Lebron, Bosh, and Wade have all completely transformed their games at his direction, and he's gotten Lebron to do things every coach has wanted him to do and none before were able to get him to do. That's great coaching. The players all buy into his system and, when they execute it, it's devastating. That's great coaching. Miami is 13-3 and really one Wade brain fart away from being 14-2, despite Wade, Chalmers, Bosh and Battier (4 of the 5 starters) all missing time, and despite the fact that he's still tinkering with the lineups and rotations. Miami looks like it might be the GOAT offense this year, and that's getting all these guys to play far more unselfishly than they have in the past.

Oh, also, by all accounts he was a bigger part of the recruiting process for Battier, Allen, and Oden than the players were. All three have explicitly mentioned their discussions with him and his vision for their roles on the team as major selling points in coming to Miami. Dude has earned it. Beasley has to do the same.

You say that Battier/Allen/Oden "explicitly mentioned" his vision as a major selling point. Well, even if they did, can you really take what they say at face value? I mean, in press conferences / interviews, players always spew nonsense and lip service. How often do you hear a player sign with a team and say, "although I considered other options, [team I signed with] was where I wanted to be all along?" Constantly, because these guys are robots when it comes to public relations. Players want to come to Miami because they salivate at the opportunity to play on a juggernaut that is practically a lock to make the finals. There's no way that what Spo says is somehow more alluring than that.

Look, I like Spo. I really do. He's a great coach. But I think you're trying too hard to downplay the prominence of the big three. You're romanticizing a bit.

king_james_vers wrote:

mopper8 wrote:Don't we already have a Free Beasley thread?

As for Spo being gifted the Big 3, you have that backwards. Spo was part of the selling point to Lebron and Bosh. You think Wade is telling them to come join him in South Beach with this mediocre coach he dislikes? Lebron, Bosh, and Wade have all completely transformed their games at his direction, and he's gotten Lebron to do things every coach has wanted him to do and none before were able to get him to do. That's great coaching. The players all buy into his system and, when they execute it, it's devastating. That's great coaching. Miami is 13-3 and really one Wade brain fart away from being 14-2, despite Wade, Chalmers, Bosh and Battier (4 of the 5 starters) all missing time, and despite the fact that he's still tinkering with the lineups and rotations. Miami looks like it might be the GOAT offense this year, and that's getting all these guys to play far more unselfishly than they have in the past.

Oh, also, by all accounts he was a bigger part of the recruiting process for Battier, Allen, and Oden than the players were. All three have explicitly mentioned their discussions with him and his vision for their roles on the team as major selling points in coming to Miami. Dude has earned it. Beasley has to do the same.

You say that Battier/Allen/Oden "explicitly mentioned" his vision as a major selling point. Well, even if they did, can you really take what they say at face value? I mean, in press conferences / interviews, players always spew nonsense and lip service. How often do you hear a player sign with a team and say, "although I considered other options, [team I signed with] was where I wanted to be all along?" Constantly, because these guys are robots when it comes to public relations. Players want to come to Miami because they salivate at the opportunity to play on a juggernaut that is practically a lock to make the finals. There's no way that what Spo says is somehow more alluring than that.

Look, I like Spo. I really do. He's a great coach. But I think you're trying too hard to downplay the prominence of the big three. You're romanticizing a bit.

When the Heat formally recruited Ray Allen, they took him to dinner in Miami. Present at the dinner were Mickey Arison, Nick Arison, Pat Riley, Andy Ellisburg, Alonzo Mourning, and Eric Spoelstra, and by most accounts Spo did a lot of the talking, explaining to Ray his vision for Ray in the offense. Afterwards, in explaining his decision to come to Miami, Ray specifically cited Spo in his reasons to come to Miami. There are photos of this dinner floating around the internet if you care to look.

When the Heat formally recruited Greg Oden, he had a one-on-one sit down with Spo. After he signed, his agent specifically mentioned Oden being impressed with everything Spo said during that meeting.

There was an entire article on ESPN after we signed Battier about how Spo's analytic approach was a huge selling point for Battier.

Do these guys want to come play with Lebron? Of course. Do these guys want to compete for a title? Of course. But they also want to play for a coach they like and respect, and want to be happy with their roles.

Most pple around the league don't respect Spo. He's a good coach that was gifted the best player in the world, and a stacked team in general.

Carlisle absolutely coached circles around Spo, Pop did as well, just Lebron and more so Allen saved us.

king_james_vers wrote:You say that Battier/Allen/Oden "explicitly mentioned" his vision as a major selling point. Well, even if they did, can you really take what they say at face value? I mean, in press conferences / interviews, players always spew nonsense and lip service. How often do you hear a player sign with a team and say, "although I considered other options, [team I signed with] was where I wanted to be all along?" Constantly, because these guys are robots when it comes to public relations. Players want to come to Miami because they salivate at the opportunity to play on a juggernaut that is practically a lock to make the finals. There's no way that what Spo says is somehow more alluring than that.

Look, I like Spo. I really do. He's a great coach. But I think you're trying too hard to downplay the prominence of the big three. You're romanticizing a bit.

to be fair, when the cavs were winning 60 games a year, LeBron was the best player in the game and they were contenders every year there were still no free agents willing to play there.




i know there will be people that dismiss spoelstra since of Miami's roster but i think he is absolutely a top-3 coach in the league. the other two being pop and Carlisle. i might not ever understand how people say d'antoni is a terrible coach because all he can do is coach offense but say thibodeau is the best coach in the league, you know despite only coaching defense... this is also why i would not mention vogel as one of the best coaches in the league.

the three coaches i mentioned coach both ways, and at a high level

(i know the mavs are not good defensively this year, FYI)