Toney Douglas

[overland]

Lets talk a bit about Toney Douglas and his performance the last 3 games because i am really bored hearing only of lebron wade bosh beasly because if we want to win the forth title we need them all .

opp min FGM-FGA REB AST STL TO PTS
Fri 3/28 @det 30 3-7 5 5 1 0 9

Sat 3/29 @MIL 39 5-10 9 4 1 3 13

Mon vs tor 24 2-4 3 0 0 1 5 ( a nice forth quarter 3 and a great individual and team defense)

[narmerguy]

To be honest I'm not really that concerned with his performance, I just want him to play good defense and not suck. ~10 points with ~30 minutes isn't bad, but he won't be getting that many minutes in the playoffs.

[AlexCRO]

i want him to get at least half of cole's minutes in the playoffs...we are going to need toney andhis on ball defense at some point in the PO no doubt

[RexBoyWonder]

Like I said a while ago, I think he might be a better overall player then Cole.

Defense - Im giving Douglas the edge. He's bigger, stronger, more hard nosed.
Rebounding - Douglas is better.
Creating - They're both bad, maybe slight edge to Cole because he's quicker (but can't finish in the paint).
Shooting - Both mediocre, but I give Douglas the edge based on career stats. (Douglas's shot is broken this year but he's probably going to bounce back sooner or later).

Overall edge goes to Douglas IMO. not by much.

[overland]

Like I said a while ago, I think he might be a better overall player then Cole.

Defense - Im giving Douglas the edge. He's bigger, stronger, more hard nosed.
Rebounding - Douglas is better.
Creating - They're both bad, maybe slight edge to Cole because he's quicker (but can't finish in the paint).
Shooting - Both mediocre, but I give Douglas the edge based on career stats. (Douglas's shot is broken this year but he's probably going to bounce back sooner or later).

Overall edge goes to Douglas IMO. not by much.

at the moment toney is better then cole and is far better then him in rebounding that is what i really like.we need players that fight to rebound not only shooters

[orangeparka]

He's had a nice couple of games. Seems like he's taking less dumb shots at the very least.

[WD]

Got to find a way to utilize BOTH

[THEASSOCIATION]

Cole needs to be dealt for a future asset this coming offseason. Point guards are a dime a dozen.

[heater4life]

Ill go out on a limb; if Toney Douglas continues playing the way he is, either Norris Cole or Chalmers will be gone next season. If I had to choose one, Ill say Rio is gone.

With the exception of his outside shot, which could stand to improve, hes what the Heat need at point guard. Hes a gritty defensive minded guard, he rebounds and is streaky from deep (needs to improve to be a perfect fit). Given time in the system, I think he can integrate a bit better. He still seems uncomfortable on the floor at times and cannot initiate plays on the pick and role as he is not a great ball handler/playmaker.

What I love the most about Douglas is his demeanor, hes always engaged, and as a UD-esque grit to him without the immaturity Cole and Chalmers carry.

No reason to have 3 rotational caliber guards on a championship roster, where other positions can be upgraded.

[heat4life]

I like Douglas as our 5th guard (combo guard), nothing else. IMO, Douglas is more SG as a combo and Cole is more PG.

Cole can create better and plays good defense. He just struggles finishing at the rim and his shot is inconsistent. Douglas is a good defender but not much of a creator. Like Cole, he struggles finishing at the rim and his shot is inconsistent. He does have a veteran savvy-ness to his game though.

Either way, I feel better that we have Douglas as an option when either Chalmers and/or Cole are struggling but the truth is, with Ray Allen and Wade healthy, I just don't see him getting a lot of burn. Insurance player if you will.

[shanedude]

I love how this dude plays within himself, unlike Cole. Still need both though.

[RJM]

Ill go out on a limb; if Toney Douglas continues playing the way he is, either Norris Cole or Chalmers will be gone next season. If I had to choose one, Ill say Rio is gone.

With the exception of his outside shot, which could stand to improve, hes what the Heat need at point guard. Hes a gritty defensive minded guard, he rebounds and is streaky from deep (needs to improve to be a perfect fit). Given time in the system, I think he can integrate a bit better. He still seems uncomfortable on the floor at times and cannot initiate plays on the pick and role as he is not a great ball handler/playmaker.

What I love the most about Douglas is his demeanor, hes always engaged, and as a UD-esque grit to him without the immaturity Cole and Chalmers carry.

No reason to have 3 rotational caliber guards on a championship roster, where other positions can be upgraded.

No way in hell is Miami dumping either of them even if Toney Douglas leaves. Miami would be crazy to dump one of their only young assets because a veteran is stepping up. The only way either of them leave is if they choose to leave or we find an amazing young prospect through the draft somehow.

Secondly, there is a need. Suppose one of them goes down and the other is in foul trouble? There's a need for depth in this league, either for the regular season or for the playoffs when things get tough.

Depth is important, so if it's possible to have three rotation-caliber guys that are willing to buy into our system and maintain James Jones-like professionalism, you take advantage of that.

Shane Battier is retiring after this season. There's one roster spot. Justin Hamilton is no lock to make this roster. There's another one. Rashard Lewis may or may not retire, we don't know. There's a potential third.

Same goes for James Jones. That's four potential roster spots right there, assuming everyone else comes back. We can still keep some of these guys even without dumping core or semi-core players. It can be done.

Review our roster. We've got some old guys that are approaching retirement soon.

[420]

I like what I've seen so far from Toney Douglas. If he keeps knocking down his shots, that's just icing on the cake. I hope he'll turn out to be the type of acquisition that Birdman turned out to be.

[heat4life]

You can't replace Mario Chalmers with either Cole or Douglas, that is just ridiculous. With all the Mario/Wario we deal with, Chalmers is a perfect fit for this team, especially in the playoffs. He shows up. During the regular season is a different story which is why I believe having both Cole and Douglas on the roster is beneficial.

[Islander]

Anyone remember what a great player Toney Douglas was @ Florida State?

He led the ACC in scoring (season 21.5 ppg, tournament 26.7 ppg) and was named its Defensive Player of the Year. The ACC is the best conference in the NCAA.

If he's allowed to settle in with 25-30 minutes a game, Toney can average 15-16 points in this James-Wade system where he doesn't have to be a traditional PG, nor a focal point.

Pat Riley likes him which is why his role was increasing even before the injuries. Needs to regain his confidence with steady playing time.

Throughout his NBA career, Douglas has been miscast by teams looking for a traditional PG. Chalmers isn't a traditional PG either and would not succeed in such a role.

If James-Wade come back, Chalmers-Douglas would be a nice rotation at PG. Like Pat Riley said, "This could be a good situation for him" (Douglas).

[greg4012]

No way in hell is Miami dumping either of them even if Toney Douglas leaves. Miami would be crazy to dump one of their only young assets because a veteran is stepping up. The only way either of them leave is if they choose to leave or we find an amazing young prospect through the draft somehow.

FYI Mario Chalmers is 27, Toney Douglas is 28. Not exactly a "young asset"

Additionally, Cole is one of the only players on the team whose contract extends past this season.

I think it's a very real possibility that Chalmers will not be on the team next year because he will test the market, and someone will overpay for him looking for that "championship experience."

[420]

No way in hell is Miami dumping either of them even if Toney Douglas leaves. Miami would be crazy to dump one of their only young assets because a veteran is stepping up. The only way either of them leave is if they choose to leave or we find an amazing young prospect through the draft somehow.

FYI Mario Chalmers is 27, Toney Douglas is 28. Not exactly a "young asset"

Additionally, Cole is one of the only players on the team whose contract extends past this season.

I think it's a very real possibility that Chalmers will not be on the team next year because he will test the market, and someone will overpay for him looking for that "championship experience."

I agree, not a young asset. I consider that "entering your prime", which in relation to this team, means they can still be contributors a few years before the Big 3 retire.

[MiaFLSurf]

Got to find a way to utilize BOTH

Utilize both? Ok. Use cole as a urinal cake.


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[WD]

^Sometimes it's hard being a HEAT fan

[dolphinatik]

i sitll think it all comes down to coaching and what is expected. I think all 3 pg's can perform well if we let them actually play like pg's run plays and find the open men. having them play off the ball and man the 3 point line I think they all look bad.