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In no way am I saying that any of the other players on the bench are a better player than Wade, because we know what we have in Wade as a 2-way player. But I'm sure you guys can see the chemistry and cohesiveness on the court without him. With Bron, Bosh, Bird/GO/UD (for a throw in dunk) & 2 3pt shooters, the ball movement and chemistry looks good, very good. Even when Spo would put Wade with the second unit to be the focal point, the offense seems slow and the ball doesn't move as much. Plug JJ for Battiers min (as much as i love Shane) & I think Bron, JJ, Ray, Bird & Bosh would be a nice flow on the court. Maybe Wade, Rio/Cole, Bease, UD & GO could be another unit. But putting Bron with shooters clearing the paint seems to be out best option, plus we don't create TO's to turn into FB points like we used to. Thoughts?

U gotta look at the teams we beat as well

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We just played four scrub teams in a row.

Altered_Beast wrote:U gotta look at the teams we beat as well

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This, we've been playing horrible teams that are tanking for the most part.

The only good teams we've beaten in this stretch without Wade are Houston, Memphis and Toronto, and Wade played in the Houston and Memphis games, so....

He does make a good point. LeBron, Bosh, and shooters are lights out. Big reason why the bench could dominate last season so easily. Wade needs the ball in a ton of PnR's and ISOs in the post since teams don't respect him from 3.

Wade does pretty decently with Bosh, but not when he's the only one of the 3 on the floor.

If his health is where it was last year, which I highly doubt with Grover training him all season, it might make sense to bring him in off the bench. Though I honestly believe he is just in his last stage of Grover's intense playoff strengthening prep.

But he doesn't make a good point at all. We are beating teams that are trying to position for the top of the draft in a stacked draft class. This is some of the ugliest basketball I've seen all year, we aren't playing great, the teams we're playing have just been awful. The Pistons and Bucks literally look like they're trying to lose games.

Lebron Bosh and better role players would be a tandem by themselves that goes without saying. Bosh has a lot of room to drive to the rim. You see how he's taking players off the dribble a lot with Wade out? Spacing is perfect for him to play comfortably. Spacing is perfect for Lebron too.

That said, Bosh has yet to prove that he's dependable in the playoffs on this team, but who knows, it could be for lack of touches with more guys to share the ball with. He definitely fits great with Lebron and this team offense looks very very good, regardless of who we are playing (though everyone outside of Toronto sucked for the most part). Chemistry on offense and defense is at its best all season.

I love wade but we need to figure out something else. Just look at game 6. Yeah it's a small sample size but that's how it's always been. Lebron and bosh plus shooters is so deadly. I know people are going to come in and say we have 2 rings because of the 3 of them, but we were insanely close to only having 1, and maybe 0 if durant gets FTs in game 2.

And when I say "something else" I mean we need to use Wade differently.

It's a shame how people never learn. Um let's check the last two teams we've beaten without Wade

- Portland (49-27, 5th seed on the West) Pretty decent team win
- Detroit (27-48, 11th seed on the East)
- Milwaukee "twice" (14-61, 15th on the East)
- Toronto (43-32, 3rd seed on the East) Pretty decent team win


So only two games that we've actually beat playoff teams but really the "cohesiveness" looked good against the Raps considering that the Blazers almost came back in that game & won it

I wish people on this board will learn the value of Wade AND Bosh. Without Wade we ain't going nowhere, why does it fail to compute to people? I don't even consider this our best basketball during this stretch really. Like Tim Hardawayy said, this we are beating teams that are trying to position for the top in the draft...SO basically we're "suppose" to win these games. There's no reason at all for us to lose to them really. Especially since we're fighting to keep that #1 seed away from Indiana

But i'm not shocked that Wade gets questioned since so many casual fans love to use the +/- stat which is easily the biggest joke of a stat ever

+ Kyle + wrote:I love wade but we need to figure out something else. Just look at game 6. Yeah it's a small sample size but that's how it's always been. Lebron and bosh plus shooters is so deadly. I know people are going to come in and say we have 2 rings because of the 3 of them, but we were insanely close to only having 1, and maybe 0 if durant gets FTs in game 2.

And when I say "something else" I mean we need to use Wade differently.

This team isn't built to win in the playoffs without wade. Or at least I can't see how we would. We will never know and I don't want to find out.

I don't trust Bosh in the playoffs, but I trust wade. I just hope we maintain our chemistry when Wade comes back. We look very disjointed with big 3 on the floor for most of the season. We need to get that fixed because we need Wade to get this thing done

Sorkoram wrote:He does make a good point. LeBron, Bosh, and shooters are lights out. Big reason why the bench could dominate last season so easily. Wade needs the ball in a ton of PnR's and ISOs in the post since teams don't respect him from 3.

Wade does pretty decently with Bosh, but not when he's the only one of the 3 on the floor.

If his health is where it was last year, which I highly doubt with Grover training him all season, it might make sense to bring him in off the bench. Though I honestly believe he is just in his last stage of Grover's intense playoff strengthening prep.

What? Wade doesn't need the ball in his hands because he's very good at moving without the ball. If a team is daring you to shoot, then yeah, a shooter helps more, but the Spurs dared LeBron to shoot just as much as they dared Wade to shoot. With that being said, they're both good enough midrange jump shooters to ignore the lack of 3-ball in Wade's arsenal in favor of all his other skills.

flash going to **** in your face when we three peat. cumps

Knew this thread was coming. Let's ignore how the Heat were sub 500 without Wade after 12 games without Wade against actual great team. Or the fact that the last 5 opponents the Heat faced without Wade's average wins wouldn't even make the playoffs.

You're seriously making conclusions because the Heat blew out Milwaukee who are tanking HARDCORE? Or a team the Heat have beaten 14 times in a row and a discombobulated Pistons team.

terrible thread and very typical of post lebron coming to miami

There IS a difference in spacing with Wade playing. And since LeBron tends to be more aggressive with optimal spacing/shooting on the court, so that's why it appears there's better cohesion.

But what we gain in spacing with Wade out, we lose in defense, and transition offense. Two pretty key components.

Similar situation to OKC without Westbrook. Durant gets higher usage and looks great with a lineup that is solely on the floor to compliment his talent. BUT, as well as that serves you in the regular season, it's not enough in the playoffs when a team's sole focus is to shut down the core piece. That's where superstar talent prevails. That's where Wade's presence becomes invaluable.

Cleveland always looked great in the regular season when playing with a lineup solely catering to LeBron's ability. That always seemed to fall short in the playoffs

BFRESH44 wrote:There IS a difference in spacing with Wade playing. And since LeBron tends to be more aggressive with optimal spacing/shooting on the court, so that's why it appears there's better cohesion.

But what we gain in spacing with Wade out, we lose in defense, and transition offense. Two pretty key components.

I agree except for the defense part. I honestly think having both Wade and Ray out our guards have been more accountable and focused. Though these are bad teams we're beating it is the best defensive communication I've seen from them in a while

greg4012 wrote:Similar situation to OKC without Westbrook. Durant gets higher usage and looks great with a lineup that is solely on the floor to compliment his talent. BUT, as well as that serves you in the regular season, it's not enough in the playoffs when a team's sole focus is to shut down the core piece. That's where superstar talent prevails. That's where Wade's presence becomes invaluable.

Cleveland always looked great in the regular season when playing with a lineup solely catering to LeBron's ability. That always seemed to fall short in the playoffs

Except...that is exactly what happened last year. The Bulls and Spurs keyed in on Lebron, packed the paint and made life hard for him, WITH the presence of the "Big 3" on the floor, particularly D Wade. In other words, if he doesn't knock down his jumpers this year, the team is ****. Outside of the 2012 Pacers series, in the playoffs? Lebron & Dwyane have never looked optimal together. Forget the regular season, last year in the Finals, with D Wade on the bench is when the team would go on their runs, and that's not exactly ideal is it? If Lebron actually had a consistent outside shot this wouldn't be much of an issue though.

CeCeySay wrote:In no way am I saying that any of the other players on the bench are a better player than Wade, because we know what we have in Wade as a 2-way player. But I'm sure you guys can see the chemistry and cohesiveness on the court without him. With Bron, Bosh, Bird/GO/UD (for a throw in dunk) & 2 3pt shooters, the ball movement and chemistry looks good, very good. Even when Spo would put Wade with the second unit to be the focal point, the offense seems slow and the ball doesn't move as much. Plug JJ for Battiers min (as much as i love Shane) & I think Bron, JJ, Ray, Bird & Bosh would be a nice flow on the court. Maybe Wade, Rio/Cole, Bease, UD & GO could be another unit. But putting Bron with shooters clearing the paint seems to be out best option, plus we don't create TO's to turn into FB points like we used to. Thoughts?

I think you're ignoring the fact that we've played really terrible teams the last few games, teams that WANT to lose. If we'd played a decent team we could easily have lost.

When post season comes around and you see what Wade does off the ball, you'll see why the whole "space" argument is not really valid. Especially with LBJ's and Bosh's emergence from three.