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Would Wade consider a 6th man role or is it to early?

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Would Wade consider a 6th man role or is it to early? 

Post#1 » by Enso » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:12 am

What do you guys think? He'd guaranteed be the 6th man and would tear up second units. Obviously We'd have to get a solid starting Sg who can shoot and defend. To early in his career? Would his ego be able to handle it?
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Post#2 » by vanhowell » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:23 am

Name an SG who is better than Wade and can start for us?


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Re: Would Wade consider a 6th man role or is it to early? 

Post#3 » by mopper8 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:25 am

Need a SG worth starting. Don't see one on the horizon. He's not coming off the bench behind Ennis, and Ray Allen is better off the bench than starting at this point in his career.
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Re: Would Wade consider a 6th man role or is it to early? 

Post#4 » by contract » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:32 am

Enso wrote:What do you guys think? He'd guaranteed be the 6th man and would tear up second units. Obviously We'd have to get a solid starting Sg who can shoot and defend. To early in his career? Would his ego be able to handle it?

It's not too early. Spoelstra simply needs to have that difficult discussion with him ... and make clear that the decision has already been made.
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Post#5 » by Enso » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:34 am

vanhowell wrote:Name an SG who is better than Wade and can start for us?


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It's not a matter of having a better SG but one who's above average. Off the top of my head I can't really think of anyone besides Gordon Hayward but he's looking for a payday.

How about we pursue Lance stephenson, I kid I kid :lol:
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Post#6 » by contract » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:35 am

vanhowell wrote:Name an SG who is better than Wade and can start for us?

You don't need a better SG. There is no rule about starting your 5 best players or your best player at each position. We need to keep Wade as healthy as possible by limiting his minutes every game. The way to do that is by playing him off the bench.
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Re: Would Wade consider a 6th man role or is it to early? 

Post#7 » by Enso » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:35 am

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Enso wrote:What do you guys think? He'd guaranteed be the 6th man and would tear up second units. Obviously We'd have to get a solid starting Sg who can shoot and defend. To early in his career? Would his ego be able to handle it?

It's not too early. Spoelstra simply needs to have that difficult discussion with him ... and make clear that the decision has already been made.


Like others have pointed out though they'd have to find someone who can be trusted first. I think it would shock the NBA, they wouldn't be ready for it.
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Post#8 » by contract » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:36 am

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Enso wrote:What do you guys think? He'd guaranteed be the 6th man and would tear up second units. Obviously We'd have to get a solid starting Sg who can shoot and defend. To early in his career? Would his ego be able to handle it?

It's not too early. Spoelstra simply needs to have that difficult discussion with him ... and make clear that the decision has already been made.


Like others have pointed out though they'd have to find someone who can be trusted first. I think it would shock the NBA, they wouldn't be ready for it.

All you need is a good shooter that can do a 1/2 decent job on defense.
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Post#9 » by Enso » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:50 am

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contract wrote:It's not too early. Spoelstra simply needs to have that difficult discussion with him ... and make clear that the decision has already been made.


Like others have pointed out though they'd have to find someone who can be trusted first. I think it would shock the NBA, they wouldn't be ready for it.

All you need is a good shooter that can do a 1/2 decent job on defense.


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Post#10 » by Temuhjan » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:54 am

vanhowell wrote:Name an SG who is better than Wade and can start for us?

Lance Stephenson anyone?
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Post#11 » by Enso » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:57 am

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vanhowell wrote:Name an SG who is better than Wade and can start for us?

Lance Stephenson anyone?


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Re: Would Wade consider a 6th man role or is it to early? 

Post#12 » by mopper8 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:01 am

So assuming we have cap space for basically the only time in the Big 3 era, you want to blow a significant portion of it on a SG? When we have Wade and probably Ray Allen and Ennis there as well? Just to move Wade to the bench?

Just no.

We will use our cap space on either a point guard, a center, or both, we will bring back Ray, sign Ennis, and we are not finding a shooting guard at the vet min that's worth starting over Wade.

You guys have lost sight of the bigger picture. Assuming the Big 3 take cuts, we need to get gamers at positions of need.
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Post#13 » by Temuhjan » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:12 am

mopper8 wrote:So assuming we have cap space for basically the only time in the Big 3 era, you want to blow a significant portion of it on a SG? When we have Wade and probably Ray Allen and Ennis there as well? Just to move Wade to the bench?

Just no.

We will use our cap space on either a point guard, a center, or both, we will bring back Ray, sign Ennis, and we are not finding a shooting guard at the vet min that's worth starting over Wade.

You guys have lost sight of the bigger picture. Assuming the Big 3 take cuts, we need to get gamers at positions of need.

I believe a Napier / Jameer Nelson partnership will address the Team's point guard deficiency. The other team needs are a two-way wing defender-cum-scorer, a stretch four and a back-up center. I have a vision for the 2014/15 Heat:

PG - Napier / Jameer Nelson / Cole
SG - Stephenson / Wade / Allen
SF - James / Ennis
PF - Patrick Patterson / Haslem / Lewis
C - Bosh / Andray Blatche / Hamilton

Of which the regular rotation consists of James, Stephenson, Bosh, Patterson, Nelson, Wade, Blatche and Napier. The salary maths works too:

James 15.5m
Bosh 15.5m
Stephenson 11m
Wade 9m
Patterson 7m
Haslem 4.6m
Blatche 3m
Nelson 3m
Cole 2m
Allen 1m
Lewis 1m
Ennis 1m
Hamilton 800k
Napier 1m

Total 75.4m
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Re: Would Wade consider a 6th man role or is it to early? 

Post#14 » by mopper8 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:20 am

Temuhjan wrote:
mopper8 wrote:So assuming we have cap space for basically the only time in the Big 3 era, you want to blow a significant portion of it on a SG? When we have Wade and probably Ray Allen and Ennis there as well? Just to move Wade to the bench?

Just no.

We will use our cap space on either a point guard, a center, or both, we will bring back Ray, sign Ennis, and we are not finding a shooting guard at the vet min that's worth starting over Wade.

You guys have lost sight of the bigger picture. Assuming the Big 3 take cuts, we need to get gamers at positions of need.

I believe a Napier / Jameer Nelson partnership will address the Team's point guard deficiency. The other team needs are a two-way wing defender-cum-scorer, a stretch four and a back-up center. I have a vision for the 2014/15 Heat:

PG - Napier / Jameer Nelson / Cole
SG - Stephenson / Wade / Allen
SF - James / Ennis
PF - Patrick Patterson / Haslem / Lewis
C - Bosh / Andray Blatche / Hamilton

Of which the regular rotation consists of James, Stephenson, Bosh, Patterson, Nelson, Wade, Blatche and Napier. The salary maths works too:

James 15.5m
Bosh 15.5m
Stephenson 11m
Wade 9m
Patterson 7m
Haslem 4.6m
Blatche 3m
Nelson 3m
Cole 2m
Allen 1m
Lewis 1m
Ennis 1m
Hamilton 800k
Napier 1m

Total 75.4m


Well, the likelihood of Wade and James and Bosh combining for $40M total is basically zero, but if they do we're getting something better Blatche, Patterson, and Stephenson to show for it, I promise you that. And no on old midget PG Jameer Nelson.
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Re: Would Wade consider a 6th man role or is it to early? 

Post#15 » by Temuhjan » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:09 am

mopper8 wrote:Well, the likelihood of Wade and James and Bosh combining for $40M total is basically zero, but if they do we're getting something better Blatche, Patterson, and Stephenson to show for it, I promise you that. And no on old midget PG Jameer Nelson.

Can you name a PG who is better than Nelson and can mentor Shabazz Napier and Norris Cole and fits the budget?

I like Lightning because of his excellent court vision, soft hands and range. Spo can hide him behind Lance Stephenson when it comes to defense. Anyway, I foresee Nelson taking a back seat and Napier becoming the starter by All-Star Break.
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Post#16 » by Hallstar » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:21 pm

Temuhjan wrote:
mopper8 wrote:So assuming we have cap space for basically the only time in the Big 3 era, you want to blow a significant portion of it on a SG? When we have Wade and probably Ray Allen and Ennis there as well? Just to move Wade to the bench?

Just no.

We will use our cap space on either a point guard, a center, or both, we will bring back Ray, sign Ennis, and we are not finding a shooting guard at the vet min that's worth starting over Wade.

You guys have lost sight of the bigger picture. Assuming the Big 3 take cuts, we need to get gamers at positions of need.

I believe a Napier / Jameer Nelson partnership will address the Team's point guard deficiency. The other team needs are a two-way wing defender-cum-scorer, a stretch four and a back-up center. I have a vision for the 2014/15 Heat:

PG - Napier / Jameer Nelson / Cole
SG - Stephenson / Wade / Allen
SF - James / Ennis
PF - Patrick Patterson / Haslem / Lewis
C - Bosh / Andray Blatche / Hamilton

Of which the regular rotation consists of James, Stephenson, Bosh, Patterson, Nelson, Wade, Blatche and Napier. The salary maths works too:

James 15.5m
Bosh 15.5m
Stephenson 11m
Wade 9m
Patterson 7m
Haslem 4.6m
Blatche 3m
Nelson 3m
Cole 2m
Allen 1m
Lewis 1m
Ennis 1m
Hamilton 800k
Napier 1m

Total 75.4m


LOL @ Wade making less than Stephenson, much less being on the same team where it happens
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Post#17 » by Sign5 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:49 pm

Seriously do you guys even think before making these ridiculous scenarios? Wade accepting 9m for Lance to come in and make 11? Gtfoh.
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Post#18 » by BDog » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:50 pm

No. Simply put, Wade is still one of the most productive shooting guards in the league. One **** finals performance doesn't change that.

However, future adjustments to his role depend on how he returns next season. If Wade spends the off-season getting into better shape and working on his weaknesses he'll still be considered elite, but if he comes back overweight and injured it might be time to start transitioning into a new role.
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Post#19 » by Temuhjan » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:00 pm

Sign5 wrote:Seriously do you guys even think before making these ridiculous scenarios? Wade accepting 9m for Lance to come in and make 11? Gtfoh.

Flash is a shell of his former self. We won't be talking about him consider a 6th man role if that is not the case. Let's look at the stats:

Dwayne Wade

Games Played 54, Minutes Played 1775
FG% .545, 3PT% .281, FT% .733
Pts 19, Reb 4.5, Ast 4.7, Stl 1.5, Blk 0.5

Lance Stephenson

Games Played 78, Minutes Played 2752
FG% .491, 3PT% .352, FT% .711
Pts 13.8, Reb 7.2, Ast 4.6, Stl 0.7, Blk 0.1

The key takeaway is Stephenson played almost 1000 minutes more than Wade during the regular season because Wade is on "maintenance plan". Not only that, but Stephenson is a better 3 point shooter, rebounder and perimeter defender, while at the same time he handles the ball just as well.

Now, tell me "Born Ready" is not worth more than Flash.
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Post#20 » by Sign5 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:06 pm

Temuhjan wrote:
Sign5 wrote:Seriously do you guys even think before making these ridiculous scenarios? Wade accepting 9m for Lance to come in and make 11? Gtfoh.

Flash is a shell of his former self. We won't be talking about him consider a 6th man role if that is not the case. Let's look at the stats:

Dwayne Wade

Games Played 54, Minutes Played 1775
FG% .545, 3PT% .281, FT% .733
Pts 19, Reb 4.5, Ast 4.7, Stl 1.5, Blk 0.5

Lance Stephenson

Games Played 78, Minutes Played 2752
FG% .491, 3PT% .352, FT% .711
Pts 13.8, Reb 7.2, Ast 4.6, Stl 0.7, Blk 0.1

The key takeaway is Stephenson played almost 1000 minutes more than Wade during the regular season because Wade is on "maintenance plan". Not only that, but Stephenson is a better 3 point shooter, rebounder and perimeter defender, while at the same time he handles the ball just as well.

Now, tell me "Born Ready" is not worth more than Flash.

It doesn't matter what YOU think. Wade isn't accepting 9m nor should he period.

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