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UPDATED OPTIONS,CHANGE YOUR VOTE - who do U want? *NEW POLL*
Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 10:01 am
by RexBoyWonder
EDIT : HAWES IS GONE TOO, CHANGE YOUR VOTE IF YOU PICKED HIM, IVE ADDED PG Isaiah Thomas TO REPLACE HIM AND HE GOT THE HAWES VOTES, YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR VOTE AT ANY TIME
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Most of us targetd Lory and Gortat, they're both no longer options. So............
So IF all goes well, and the big 3 all opt out and then resign for less money and we create some cap space, which player do you feel we should spend on? (Even if we won't have any cap space, we'll have exceptions to use).
If you're picking the cheaper options you could pick 2 players in the poll (just click next to 2 names)(that would fit under the salary cap), comment and break it down.
Realistically we're looking at, best case scenario : 10-12 Mil$ in cap space. I'm not adding Melo as an option for that reason. Let's keep it real.
Re: Gortat and Lowry are gone, who should we target? * NEW P
Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 10:56 am
by dancing2thabeet
I didn't choose two options because I'm very optimistic about Ennis so I don't think we need a wing. I chose Hawes over Gasol solely because of age, seeing as we probably will not make any major moves for the next 3-4 years.
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Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:26 am
by AlexCRO
you say lets keep it real and then you throw ariza in the poll... ariza is gonna command at least 10 mill at least....
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Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:32 am
by RexBoyWonder
AlexCRO wrote:you say lets keep it real and then you throw ariza in the poll... ariza is gonna command at least 10 mill at least....
He could (and most probably will) go for less then 10, AND we could have more then 10 in space anyway. Get a grip.
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Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:34 am
by AlexCRO
RexBoyWonder wrote:AlexCRO wrote:you say lets keep it real and then you throw ariza in the poll... ariza is gonna command at least 10 mill at least....
He could (and most probably will) go for less then 10, AND we could have more then 10 in space anyway. Get a grip.
you are telling me to get a grip hmmm... okay... watch him get above 10mill...
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Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 12:43 pm
by heat4life
I say we go all in with Pau Gasol on a 2yr deal. Then get SF/PF Marvin Williams and PF/C Ed Davis and call it a day in FA. Resign Oden, Chalmers, Allen and Birdman.
Chalmers, Cole, Napier
Wade, Allen, Jones
James, Williams, Ennis
Bosh, Haslem, Davis
Gasol, Birdman, Oden
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Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:44 pm
by Tuff Gong
1. Gasol
2. Ariza
3. Hawes
4. Stephenson (surprise, surprise)
In that order, though Hawes is climbing by board the more research I do. I would be happy if we announced an agreement with Hawes today while Gasol and Ariza are still available. Bust if we can't land any of those guys. I guess I'd preference a combination of Marvin Williams, Vince Carter, and Emeka Okafor. Lance is interesting as Dan confirmed we offered him a contract -- if the market continues to dry up on him, who knows. Reports yesterday were that he turned down 5/44 from Indiana and can't find a better deal. They have already moved on to CJ Miles, so what now?
I am now open to re-signing Chalmers once we hit the cap, but only on a 1-2 year deal.
Right now, realistically:
Chalmers / Napier / Cole
Wade / Allen / Ennis
James / Carter / Jones
Bosh / Davis / Haslem
Hawes / Birdman / Oden
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Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 1:46 pm
by bobly
Before this FA started I thought maybe we could get either Stephenson, Ariza, McRoberts, or Hawes. The value of these guys keeps going up with everyday that passes, but I hope that Riley makes another pitch to Stephenson and can grab McRoberts with whatever is left. That to me would be enough to go into next season happy. I think Ariza stays with Washington and if we were to get him, it'd be by overpaying him.
I know people on this board hate Lance, but this team desperately needs youth. He was the only player outside of West on the Pacers who played consistently hard throughout the playoffs. Miami needs high energy guys like that and we have enough veterans to keep his idiocy in check.
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Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 2:01 pm
by crazy_me_87
guys we need to be cautious with the cap space thinking
we dont know what we have
the 11 and 12 mio rumour has been said to be wrong multiple times
the newest rumor(ESPN) says Wade wants 4/60 and Bosh 5/80 or even 5/90
if thats true, we resign Udonis were at about 5 Mio!
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Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:25 pm
by Hoopz Afrik
Darren Collison and Pau Gasol...but of course that is wishful thinking.....
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Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 5:45 pm
by BDog
heat4life wrote:I say we go all in with Pau Gasol on a 2yr deal. Then get SF/PF Marvin Williams and PF/C Ed Davis and call it a day in FA. Resign Oden, Chalmers, Allen and Birdman.
Chalmers, Cole, Napier
Wade, Allen, Jones
James, Williams, Ennis
Bosh, Haslem, Davis
Gasol, Birdman, Oden
I honestly don't think Chalmers belongs on the team anymore, it's just brutal that we can't get much for him due to his poor playoff showing.
Ed Davis is seriously underrated he was a beast for a little while in Toronto, and because he never got a fairs shake in Memphis, I'm sure we could get him on the cheap. Nice choice dude.
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Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 8:00 pm
by RexBoyWonder
LeBron_da_Don wrote:Darren Collison and Pau Gasol...but of course that is wishful thinking.....
Collison is gone too. Too bad, liked him for us.
Hawes + Marvin Williams are starting to look the best possible option. Everyone is expensive and we don't seem to have as much cap space as reported.
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Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 9:36 pm
by PacerNation24
Anthony Morrow sounds like a good fit for Miami.
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Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 10:39 pm
by 2thehoopand1
Emeka Okafor,
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Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 10:52 pm
by DaddyCool19
Hill, Hawes or Davis as big man.
Hinrich or Brian Roberts as a cheap PG.
Carter, Morrow or Anderson as SF/SG.
Is it realistic to get 3 of them?
Re: Gortat and Lowry are gone, who should we target? * NEW P
Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 10:55 pm
by mopper8
crazy_me_87 wrote:guys we need to be cautious with the cap space thinking
we dont know what we have
the 11 and 12 mio rumour has been said to be wrong multiple times
the newest rumor(ESPN) says Wade wants 4/60 and Bosh 5/80 or even 5/90
if thats true, we resign Udonis were at about 5 Mio!
Code: Select all
Player/Hold Yr 1 Cost (millions) full deal
1 Dwyane Wade 14.5 4yr, 65M
2 Chris Bosh 14.5 5yr, 85M
3 Lebron James (hold) 20.02 max
4 Chris Andersen (hold) 0.915
5 Shabazz Napier (hold) 1.03
6 Norris Cole 2.03
7 inc. roster charge 0.507
8 inc. roster charge 0.507
9 inc. roster charge 0.507
10 inc. roster charge 0.507
11 inc. roster charge 0.507
12 inc. roster charge 0.507
total salary 56.037M
cap 63.3M
room 7.263M
room exc. 2.7M
*spending power* 10.47M
max yr 1 offer 7.3M
Re: Gortat and Lowry are gone, who should we target? * NEW P
Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:00 pm
by crazy_me_87
mopper8 wrote:crazy_me_87 wrote:guys we need to be cautious with the cap space thinking
we dont know what we have
the 11 and 12 mio rumour has been said to be wrong multiple times
the newest rumor(ESPN) says Wade wants 4/60 and Bosh 5/80 or even 5/90
if thats true, we resign Udonis were at about 5 Mio!
Code: Select all
Player/Hold Yr 1 Cost (millions) full deal
1 Dwyane Wade 14.5 4yr, 65M
2 Chris Bosh 14.5 5yr, 85M
3 Lebron James (hold) 20.02 max
4 Chris Andersen (hold) 0.915
5 Shabazz Napier (hold) 1.03
6 Norris Cole 2.03
7 inc. roster charge 0.507
8 inc. roster charge 0.507
9 inc. roster charge 0.507
10 inc. roster charge 0.507
11 inc. roster charge 0.507
12 inc. roster charge 0.507
total salary 56.037M
cap 63.3M
room 7.263M
room exc. 2.7M
*spending power* 10.47M
max yr 1 offer 7.3M
yeah about what i said when we want to bring back Udonis at around 2 mil.
thanks for the chart!
Re: Gortat and Lowry are gone, who should we target? * NEW P
Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:02 pm
by mopper8
crazy_me_87 wrote:mopper8 wrote:crazy_me_87 wrote:guys we need to be cautious with the cap space thinking
we dont know what we have
the 11 and 12 mio rumour has been said to be wrong multiple times
the newest rumor(ESPN) says Wade wants 4/60 and Bosh 5/80 or even 5/90
if thats true, we resign Udonis were at about 5 Mio!
Code: Select all
Player/Hold Yr 1 Cost (millions) full deal
1 Dwyane Wade 14.5 4yr, 65M
2 Chris Bosh 14.5 5yr, 85M
3 Lebron James (hold) 20.02 max
4 Chris Andersen (hold) 0.915
5 Shabazz Napier (hold) 1.03
6 Norris Cole 2.03
7 inc. roster charge 0.507
8 inc. roster charge 0.507
9 inc. roster charge 0.507
10 inc. roster charge 0.507
11 inc. roster charge 0.507
12 inc. roster charge 0.507
total salary 56.037M
cap 63.3M
room 7.263M
room exc. 2.7M
*spending power* 10.47M
max yr 1 offer 7.3M
yeah about what i said when we want to bring back Udonis at around 2 mil.
thanks for the chart!
If we sign someone else first, we can use the room exception on Haslem. But I agree with the point that, if we want to give UD more than the vet min, we are going to have to use space or that exception on him, which limits our ability to add new guys. Seems fair considering he didn't even have to opt out.
Re: Gortat and Lowry are gone, who should we target? * NEW P
Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:13 pm
by crazy_me_87
mopper8 wrote:crazy_me_87 wrote:mopper8 wrote:Code: Select all
Player/Hold Yr 1 Cost (millions) full deal
1 Dwyane Wade 14.5 4yr, 65M
2 Chris Bosh 14.5 5yr, 85M
3 Lebron James (hold) 20.02 max
4 Chris Andersen (hold) 0.915
5 Shabazz Napier (hold) 1.03
6 Norris Cole 2.03
7 inc. roster charge 0.507
8 inc. roster charge 0.507
9 inc. roster charge 0.507
10 inc. roster charge 0.507
11 inc. roster charge 0.507
12 inc. roster charge 0.507
total salary 56.037M
cap 63.3M
room 7.263M
room exc. 2.7M
*spending power* 10.47M
max yr 1 offer 7.3M
yeah about what i said when we want to bring back Udonis at around 2 mil.
thanks for the chart!
If we sign someone else first, we can use the room exception on Haslem. But I agree with the point that, if we want to give UD more than the vet min, we are going to have to use space or that exception on him, which limits our ability to add new guys. Seems fair considering he didn't even have to opt out.
that was exactly my line of thinking
we have to resign UD everyone seems to forget him...
UD is like Wade.. lifetime Heat no matter what!
and hell he did opt out of 4.6 mio next season.. to take a longer deal... we could not stab him in the back and not get him back we just cant^^
Re: Gortat and Lowry are gone, who should we target? * NEW P
Posted: Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:22 pm
by RexBoyWonder
mopper8 wrote:crazy_me_87 wrote:mopper8 wrote:Code: Select all
Player/Hold Yr 1 Cost (millions) full deal
1 Dwyane Wade 14.5 4yr, 65M
2 Chris Bosh 14.5 5yr, 85M
3 Lebron James (hold) 20.02 max
4 Chris Andersen (hold) 0.915
5 Shabazz Napier (hold) 1.03
6 Norris Cole 2.03
7 inc. roster charge 0.507
8 inc. roster charge 0.507
9 inc. roster charge 0.507
10 inc. roster charge 0.507
11 inc. roster charge 0.507
12 inc. roster charge 0.507
total salary 56.037M
cap 63.3M
room 7.263M
room exc. 2.7M
*spending power* 10.47M
max yr 1 offer 7.3M
yeah about what i said when we want to bring back Udonis at around 2 mil.
thanks for the chart!
If we sign someone else first, we can use the room exception on Haslem. But I agree with the point that, if we want to give UD more than the vet min, we are going to have to use space or that exception on him, which limits our ability to add new guys. Seems fair considering he didn't even have to opt out.
Lebron could also easily sign for 15-16 Mil, and I believe he will. Give UD the room exception and we're looking at cap room of around 12 Mil, just like we heard before. That's 2 above MLE players, 1 real stud, or 3 decent rotation players.