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so what's the deal with him? what do you guys expect from him next year?
Are his knees completely shot or is there hope he returns to form and could be a 12-15 ppg scorer off the bench?

I expect 10-12 pts off the bench.

Btw do you all remember this tweet

Danny Granger ✔ @dgranger33
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I could care less who won between the bulls and the heat... I'd prob root for chi anyways.. The heat tryin to be the Yankees of the NBA smh
11:15 AM - 13 May 2011

Prince Ali wrote:I expect 10-12 pts off the bench.

Btw do you all remember this tweet

Danny Granger ✔ @dgranger33
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I could care less who won between the bulls and the heat... I'd prob root for chi anyways.. The heat tryin to be the Yankees of the NBA smh
11:15 AM - 13 May 2011

Lmao yes i saw this. I hated this guy anyway. But if you can contribute to the team, I'm all for it.

A specialist who will only see playing time when we face Cleveland.

Has he officially signed, btw?

I'm cautiously optimistic. He's got really good size and can shoot, and he's only 31. He's had a string of injuries, but nothing truly career-altering, especially considering he was never overly reliant on athleticism. If he can stay healthy, I think a return to form is within the realm of possibility. He really didn't have much of an opportunity last year: he was shaking off two years' worth of rust on a team where he was like the 6th offensive option, then he was thrown into the rotation of a championship contender late in the season. Compare with a guy like Evan Turner, who got thrown into a similar position and couldn't even play for Indiana without submarining the team. It's promising that in both instances, Granger's plus minus numbers were very good. He may not have been in a position to rack up statistics, but his lack of individual production still yielded a net-positive impact.

Now, of course it's possible he can't bounce back from all this time off. But we've done a really nice job of hedging our bet here. Deng is a sure thing, and Ennis is a similar gamble. Between the two, one of them should pan out. Worst case scenario, we can minimize the miss by playing Deng 35 minutes a game and letting the better of Ennis/Granger play nominal rotation minutes to fill the gap. Best case scenario, Deng and Granger both have adequate size to double as small-ball 4s, and Ennis can slide to the 2 for stretches, as well. We could use all three guys extensively if that is something we want.

I have a feeling that Granger is going to have a pretty good year. Before the injury he was a better player than Deng. He came back last year and looked OK (not great) in limited action, but the first year back from that kind of injury is typically pretty slow and uneven. Even so, on a per 36 basis he was still fairly comparable to Deng in terms of productivity last year. He's not that old and the injury saved him almost 2 years of mileage. At 38% for his career, he may be our best 3 pt shooter, which is unfortunate because I am not comfortable with the level of 3 pt shooting on this team. The 3 is just such a big part of today's NBA and is just so important for spacing.

DeeDub wrote:I have a feeling that Granger is going to have a pretty good year. Before the injury he was a better player than Deng. He came back last year and looked OK (not great) in limited action, but the first year back from that kind of injury is typically pretty slow and uneven. Even so, on a per 36 basis he was still fairly comparable to Deng in terms of productivity last year. He's not that old and the injury saved him almost 2 years of mileage. At 38% for his career, he may be our best 3 pt shooter, which is unfortunate because I am not comfortable with the level of 3 pt shooting on this team. The 3 is just such a big part of today's NBA and is just so important for spacing.

I agree our wings aren't the most reliable shooters. But we have pretty good shooting Bigs in Bosh & McBob and Mario put up good % from deep for the last few years so that helps.

mopper8 wrote:

DeeDub wrote:I have a feeling that Granger is going to have a pretty good year. Before the injury he was a better player than Deng. He came back last year and looked OK (not great) in limited action, but the first year back from that kind of injury is typically pretty slow and uneven. Even so, on a per 36 basis he was still fairly comparable to Deng in terms of productivity last year. He's not that old and the injury saved him almost 2 years of mileage. At 38% for his career, he may be our best 3 pt shooter, which is unfortunate because I am not comfortable with the level of 3 pt shooting on this team. The 3 is just such a big part of today's NBA and is just so important for spacing.

I agree our wings aren't the most reliable shooters. But we have pretty good shooting Bigs in Bosh & McBob and Mario put up good % from deep for the last few years so that helps.

We have pretty good shooters, but no great ones. Two years ago we had 4-5 guys (Allen, Miller, JJ, Battier, Lewis) who were 40+% guys over long periods of time. Now we don't have any 40+% guys. The difference between a 4-42% guy and a 36-37% guy may not seem that big, but it is.

DeeDub wrote:

mopper8 wrote:

DeeDub wrote:I have a feeling that Granger is going to have a pretty good year. Before the injury he was a better player than Deng. He came back last year and looked OK (not great) in limited action, but the first year back from that kind of injury is typically pretty slow and uneven. Even so, on a per 36 basis he was still fairly comparable to Deng in terms of productivity last year. He's not that old and the injury saved him almost 2 years of mileage. At 38% for his career, he may be our best 3 pt shooter, which is unfortunate because I am not comfortable with the level of 3 pt shooting on this team. The 3 is just such a big part of today's NBA and is just so important for spacing.

I agree our wings aren't the most reliable shooters. But we have pretty good shooting Bigs in Bosh & McBob and Mario put up good % from deep for the last few years so that helps.

We have pretty good shooters, but no great ones. Two years ago we had 4-5 guys (Allen, Miller, JJ, Battier, Lewis) who were 40+% guys over long periods of time. Now we don't have any 40+% guys. The difference between a 4-42% guy and a 36-37% guy may not seem that big, but it is.

Yeah, but there's almost more versatility. McRoberts isn't the shooter Battier was, for example, but he's far superior off the bounce and a different level as a passer. There's something to be said for that. Obviously you want the best of all worlds--you want McRoberts to do his thing passing and attacking and also shooting 43% from deep.

I expected (hoped) he would back out of the commitment.

mopper8 wrote:

DeeDub wrote:

mopper8 wrote:
I agree our wings aren't the most reliable shooters. But we have pretty good shooting Bigs in Bosh & McBob and Mario put up good % from deep for the last few years so that helps.

We have pretty good shooters, but no great ones. Two years ago we had 4-5 guys (Allen, Miller, JJ, Battier, Lewis) who were 40+% guys over long periods of time. Now we don't have any 40+% guys. The difference between a 4-42% guy and a 36-37% guy may not seem that big, but it is.

Yeah, but there's almost more versatility. McRoberts isn't the shooter Battier was, for example, but he's far superior off the bounce and a different level as a passer. There's something to be said for that. Obviously you want the best of all worlds--you want McRoberts to do his thing passing and attacking and also shooting 43% from deep.

McRoberts is definitely more versatile offensively than Battier, but who isn't? But he is not as good a defender (at least compared to Battier before last year, when his defense declined). And does he do the "little things" that everyone has always raved about Battier for? I will confess to not having a full understanding of what all those "little things" were, but I take it on faith because every coach who ever had Battier loved him and played him far more than his box score numbers would indciate he should have played.

Part of my concern with the 3 pt shooting is that I see it as the great equalizer. An otherwise inferior team can beat a much better team if has good 3 pt shooters and they get hot. Since I don't see this team as being the best, I'd have liked to have had the kind of 3 pt shooting that gives you a decent chance of stealing a series from a better overall team.

he played ok for the clippers last season, he had SOME good games. His shooting was streaky tho. I'd expect 10-12 pts from a game but that was in the clippers offense not sure how he'll be used in MIA.

20 min per game
10-12 pts per game

LuxHeat wrote:so what's the deal with him? what do you guys expect from him next year?
Are his knees completely shot or is there hope he returns to form and could be a 12-15 ppg scorer off the bench?

Honestly I don't expect much. I view him as a lottery ticket. If we can get a decent season out of him, I'll be thrilled.

theFRANCHISE wrote:he played ok for the clippers last season, he had SOME good games. His shooting was streaky tho. I'd expect 10-12 pts from a game but that was in the clippers offense not sure how he'll be used in MIA.

20 min per game
10-12 pts per game

The truth is that all shooters are streaky. they all go through stretches when they are cold and stretches when they are hot. For guys who play 30+ mpg, it's not always that noticeable. But almost every shooter who is playing 20mpg or less will seem streaky.

DeeDub wrote:

theFRANCHISE wrote:he played ok for the clippers last season, he had SOME good games. His shooting was streaky tho. I'd expect 10-12 pts from a game but that was in the clippers offense not sure how he'll be used in MIA.

20 min per game
10-12 pts per game

The truth is that all shooters are streaky. they all go through stretches when they are cold and stretches when they are hot. For guys who play 30+ mpg, it's not always that noticeable. But almost every shooter who is playing 20mpg or less will seem streaky.

haha I was being nice when I said streaky I think he had 1 game where he went off, but after that his next good game was in the playoffs against the warriors. His playing time wasn't that consistent under doc rivers. I just remembered he was injured during the final games of the season and didn't play the last few weeks. His minutes should be better in MIA at least consistent.

One thing is for sure though, he could be an asset off the bench. Hopefully he'll be healthy this coming season.


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If he was on another team, I'd say he was cooked. Since he's on the Heat, I'm rooting for him to make a minor comeback this year.

If this guy can bounce back we have struck the lotto guys

Guy is absolutely lethal from downtown, and at 6'9 makes him no slouch to defend.

I think it is unfair to judge his play during his clippers tenure, inconsistent PT and still working to recover from injury. HIm and deng show up to ball and all of a sudden we got a squad

He doesn't know that could care less means that there are things he could care less about?


Get this man off my team

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theFRANCHISE wrote:

DeeDub wrote:

theFRANCHISE wrote:he played ok for the clippers last season, he had SOME good games. His shooting was streaky tho. I'd expect 10-12 pts from a game but that was in the clippers offense not sure how he'll be used in MIA.

20 min per game
10-12 pts per game

The truth is that all shooters are streaky. they all go through stretches when they are cold and stretches when they are hot. For guys who play 30+ mpg, it's not always that noticeable. But almost every shooter who is playing 20mpg or less will seem streaky.

haha I was being nice when I said streaky I think he had 1 game where he went off, but after that his next good game was in the playoffs against the warriors. His playing time wasn't that consistent under doc rivers. I just remembered he was injured during the final games of the season and didn't play the last few weeks. His minutes should be better in MIA at least consistent.

Well if you were looking at just a handful of games with limited minutes in his first time back after missing a season and a half, I'm not sure it means much of anything.