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Ira: Should The Heat Go After Reggie Jackson? 

Post#1 » by Game6 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:22 pm

Wouldn't you agree the Heat's immediate needs are point guard and shooting guard? I was thinking of Reggie Jackson, who is available. The hardest part is finding a third team, which is what it's going to take. I would be willing to part with Luol Deng at this point. -- Bryan, Davie.

A: First, from what I can tell, the Heat would be reluctant to part with Deng, who was among those requested when the Heat and Nets were talking about Brook Lopez. I agree that Reggie Jackson is intriguing, and we know he was a player who caught Pat Riley's attention going into that draft. Plus, with Jackson approaching free agency, this tends to be a time when Sam Presti takes stock with his assets. But what the Thunder would want, prospects and picks, are not what the Heat have to offer.Yes, Jackson is the type of scoring distributor who would make sense for the Heat. But he also would make sense for teams that arguably have more to offer.

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Re: Ira: Should The Heat Go After Reggie Jackson? 

Post#2 » by UD4MVP » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:25 pm

The thing is, who else would actually go after him? We're one of 2 or 3 teams in need of a PG. His trade value isn't high as suggested. The only thing holding back a trade IMO is if they think they can succeed with Reggie and Dion on the 2nd unit, and will pay the luxury tax for it.
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Re: Ira: Should The Heat Go After Reggie Jackson? 

Post#3 » by Game6 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:31 pm

UD4MVP wrote:The thing is, who else would actually go after him? We're one of 2 or 3 teams in need of a PG. His trade value isn't high as suggested. The only thing holding back a trade IMO is if they think they can succeed with Reggie and Dion on the 2nd unit, and will pay the luxury tax for it.


Everything I've read indicates Reggie Jackson is gone one way or another. He wants to be a starter & wants to get paid. Most teams don't need a point guard. I'd try offering this package to OKC & see if they bite

Cole
Birdman
Deng

FOR

Perkins
Jackson
Lamb OR Jones
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Post#4 » by Prince Ali » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:40 pm

..and the underappreciation of Deng continues
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Re: Ira: Should The Heat Go After Reggie Jackson? 

Post#5 » by UD4MVP » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:41 pm

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UD4MVP wrote:The thing is, who else would actually go after him? We're one of 2 or 3 teams in need of a PG. His trade value isn't high as suggested. The only thing holding back a trade IMO is if they think they can succeed with Reggie and Dion on the 2nd unit, and will pay the luxury tax for it.


Everything I've read indicates Reggie Jackson is gone one way or another. He wants to be a starter & wants to get paid. Most teams don't need a point guard. I'd try offering this package to OKC & see if they bite

Cole
Birdman
Deng

FOR

Perkins
Jackson
Lamb OR Jones

I can't see us trading Deng, too valuable and it would probably hurt our reputation with future free agents. I would throw Rio and Bird and 2nd rounders. Bird is an improvement over Perk for them since he can catch and finish and hes a mobile defender, and Rio fits for them as a backup guard to play alongside dominant ball handlers in Russ and Dion.
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Re: Ira: Should The Heat Go After Reggie Jackson? 

Post#6 » by UD4MVP » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:43 pm

Yea if we completely bombed the West road trip, I might have considered trading Deng. He's basically our perimeter defense at this point, and he still gives us a solid 14 points a game. Just need guards not named Wade to help him out lol
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Post#7 » by Game6 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:46 pm

UD4MVP wrote:Yea if we completely bombed the West road trip, I might have considered trading Deng. He's basically our perimeter defense at this point, and he still gives us a solid 14 points a game. Just need guards not named Wade to help him out lol


I think Deng is gone after this season. No way he opts into his contract. Better to trade him now & get some young players back.

I also don't think Deng would mind being traded to a title contender & a stacked team.
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Re: Ira: Should The Heat Go After Reggie Jackson? 

Post#8 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:58 pm

Jackson is better then Rio and Cole (Who isn't??), but he's not good enough to lose Deng for.

Don't really like Jackson that much, can't shot..playing next to Wade it will get ugly.

Dragic/Thomas/Knight will be much better here.
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Post#9 » by cyclix » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:01 pm

I think we can get similar production of Deng from Ennis, who is way too passive. If he can be more aggressive, then he is basically Deng. I justhope he doesn't adopt Dengs tunnel vision, and poor passing skills/lack thereof.
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Post#10 » by cyclix » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:01 pm

I think we can get similar production of Deng from Ennis, who is way too passive. If he can be more aggressive, then he is basically Deng. I justhope he doesn't adopt Dengs tunnel vision, and poor passing skills/lack thereof.
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Post#11 » by cyclix » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:01 pm

I think we can get similar production of Deng from Ennis, who is way too passive. If he can be more aggressive, then he is basically Deng. I justhope he doesn't adopt Dengs tunnel vision, and poor passing skills/lack thereof.
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Post#12 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:03 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Jackson is better then Rio and Cole (Who isn't??), but he's not good enough to lose Deng for.

Don't really like Jackson that much, can't shot..playing next to Wade it will get ugly.

Dragic/Thomas/Knight will be much better here.

That trio will be nearly impossible to get without including Deng. I was thinking why not offer OKC what we were offering the Nets for Brook Lopez.

Anderson, McBob, and Cole

for

Lamb, Jackson, and Perkins.


I would even throw in a future pick for taking on McBob. That deal I think would be fantastic for both sides. It also helps OKC with getting under the tax threshold if they release Jerrett.
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Post#13 » by IggieCC » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:10 pm

No thanks unless he can be had for cheap, which seems unlikely. So, no thanks.

He ain't Colemers, but he plays more like an undersized SG with low efficiency and limited shooting range (He can and does shoot 3 but very streaky). We might not need a traditional PG per se, but at least we should try to go after a proven player like Dragic (high TS%, 7.4 APG when he was the main PG in 2012) or Knight instead of some dude who THINKS he can be an elite starting guard and deserves a TON of money. All that with KD and Westbrook getting most of attention on the floor so he IS usually wide open in late game situations (where he had some success, and I believe that's why he THINKS that he can be the main guy).
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Post#14 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:14 pm

IggieCC wrote:No thanks unless he can be had for cheap, which seems unlikely. So, no thanks.

He ain't Colemers, but he plays more like an undersized SG with low efficiency and limited shooting range (He can and does shoot 3 but very streaky). We might not need a traditional PG per se, but at least we should try to go after a proven player like Dragic (high TS%, 7.4 APG when he was the main PG in 2012) or Knight instead of some dude who THINKS he can be an elite starting guard and deserves a TON of money. All that with KD and Westbrook getting most of attention on the floor so he IS usually wide open in late game situations (where he had some success, and I believe that's why he THINKS that he can be the main guy).

What makes you think we have any realistic shot at Dragic or Knight? Milwaukee is fighting with us for playoff seeding and Phoenix is also right smack dab in the playoff race in the Western conference. You think Phoenix is just going to give away one of the best guards in the NBA for our chump change? The folks on the Phoenix board while mad cool will laugh any offer we have for Dragic. They actually find it comical that he is even mentioned in trade talks. He is rumored in trade because everyone knows he is opting out but he is giving the Suns first right to match any offer.
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Post#15 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:14 pm

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RexBoyWonder wrote:Jackson is better then Rio and Cole (Who isn't??), but he's not good enough to lose Deng for.

Don't really like Jackson that much, can't shot..playing next to Wade it will get ugly.

Dragic/Thomas/Knight will be much better here.

That trio will be nearly impossible to get without including Deng. I was thinking why not offer OKC what we were offering the Nets for Brook Lopez.

Anderson, McBob, and Cole

for

Lamb, Jackson, and Perkins.


I would even throw in a future pick for taking on McBob. That deal I think would be fantastic for both sides. It also helps OKC with getting under the tax threshold if they release Jerrett.


That's a deal I can live with, despite not being a Jackson fan. We're not losing much, and Lamb might not be totally worthless.

for Dragic/Thomas/Knight a future first will need to be involved, Probably Bird and Cole and maybe another piece.
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Post#16 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:22 pm

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RexBoyWonder wrote:Jackson is better then Rio and Cole (Who isn't??), but he's not good enough to lose Deng for.

Don't really like Jackson that much, can't shot..playing next to Wade it will get ugly.

Dragic/Thomas/Knight will be much better here.

That trio will be nearly impossible to get without including Deng. I was thinking why not offer OKC what we were offering the Nets for Brook Lopez.

Anderson, McBob, and Cole

for

Lamb, Jackson, and Perkins.


I would even throw in a future pick for taking on McBob. That deal I think would be fantastic for both sides. It also helps OKC with getting under the tax threshold if they release Jerrett.


That's a deal I can live with, despite not being a Jackson fan. We're not losing much, and Lamb might not be totally worthless.

for Dragic/Thomas/Knight a future first will need to be involved, Probably Bird and Cole and maybe another piece.

It also works out very nicely for OKC because they are looking for a shot blocker and they get one in Birdman and also a defensive minded PG in Cole to replace the shot heavy Jackson. McBob is also going to be a nice piece for them off the bench next year in Durant's final hurrah.
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Post#17 » by IggieCC » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:25 pm

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IggieCC wrote:No thanks unless he can be had for cheap, which seems unlikely. So, no thanks.

He ain't Colemers, but he plays more like an undersized SG with low efficiency and limited shooting range (He can and does shoot 3 but very streaky). We might not need a traditional PG per se, but at least we should try to go after a proven player like Dragic (high TS%, 7.4 APG when he was the main PG in 2012) or Knight instead of some dude who THINKS he can be an elite starting guard and deserves a TON of money. All that with KD and Westbrook getting most of attention on the floor so he IS usually wide open in late game situations (where he had some success, and I believe that's why he THINKS that he can be the main guy).

What makes you think we have any realistic shot at Dragic or Knight? Milwaukee is fighting with us for playoff seeding and Phoenix is also right smack dab in the playoff race in the Western conference. You think Phoenix is just going to give away one of the best guards in the NBA for our chump change? The folks on the Phoenix board while mad cool will laugh any offer we have for Dragic. They actually find it comical that he is even mentioned in trade talks. He is rumored in trade because everyone knows he is opting out but he is giving the Suns first right to match any offer.

Dragic is FA after this season why do we need to trade for him? I don't want trade assets for half season rental R Jackson, and I don't want to overpay R Jackson long term that's my point. Don't worry about Dragic or Knight. Did I say we have realistic chance of getting them? Just because R Jackson can be available, we don't have to make stupid move to get him and hurt us in the long run, is my point.
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Post#18 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:29 pm

IggieCC wrote:
Panda Friend 51 wrote:
IggieCC wrote:No thanks unless he can be had for cheap, which seems unlikely. So, no thanks.

He ain't Colemers, but he plays more like an undersized SG with low efficiency and limited shooting range (He can and does shoot 3 but very streaky). We might not need a traditional PG per se, but at least we should try to go after a proven player like Dragic (high TS%, 7.4 APG when he was the main PG in 2012) or Knight instead of some dude who THINKS he can be an elite starting guard and deserves a TON of money. All that with KD and Westbrook getting most of attention on the floor so he IS usually wide open in late game situations (where he had some success, and I believe that's why he THINKS that he can be the main guy).

What makes you think we have any realistic shot at Dragic or Knight? Milwaukee is fighting with us for playoff seeding and Phoenix is also right smack dab in the playoff race in the Western conference. You think Phoenix is just going to give away one of the best guards in the NBA for our chump change? The folks on the Phoenix board while mad cool will laugh any offer we have for Dragic. They actually find it comical that he is even mentioned in trade talks. He is rumored in trade because everyone knows he is opting out but he is giving the Suns first right to match any offer.

Dragic is FA after this season why do we need to trade for him? I don't want trade assets for half season rental R Jackson, and I don't want to overpay R Jackson long term that's my point. Don't worry about Dragic or Knight. Did I say we have realistic chance of getting them? Just because R Jackson can be available, we don't have to make stupid move to get him and hurt us in the long run, is my point.

I think if Dragic leaves Phoenix via free agency it's been rumored to be either the Knicks or Lakers. Now for Knight he is a home town kid so I can see us trying to sign him. If we make the deal for Jackson we have a few options.Give Jackson a trial run for the last half of the season and see if he fits our style or use the salary relief from Perkins contract coming off the books and go after Knight. The deal gives us options for the future but upgrades us for the now Jackson over Cole and provides us with a future two guard in Lamb who reunites with Napier. In reality what are we really giving up? McBob (A contract we want off the books), Anderson (36 year old backup), and Cole (Restricted Free Agent). We probably have to throw in a future pick but I say for the flexibility it gives us it would be well worth it.
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Post#19 » by IggieCC » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:38 pm

Panda Friend 51 wrote:I think if Dragic leaves Phoenix via free agency it's been rumored to be either the Knicks or Lakers. Now for Knight he is a home town kid so I can see us trying to sign him. If we make the deal for Jackson we have a few options.Give Jackson a trial run for the last half of the season and see if he fits out style or use the salary relief from Perkins contract coming off the books and go after Knight. The deal gives us options for the future but upgrades us for the now Jackson over Cole and provides us with a future two guard in Lamb who reunites with Napier.

Yeah, now that I really think about it, Dragic might really command closer to MAX if not MAX so it's pretty unlikely that we'll get him at any point in the near future.

I didn't see your trade proposal but it sounds ok (I mean it's great from our perspective of course, lol). OKC is probably trying to sell Jackson high.. and they probably don't want Deng though.

Jackson is probably as realistic an option to upgrade our PG position this season as it can get... that's the reality I suppose.
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Post#20 » by BFRESH44 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:43 pm

Jackson isn't particularly a great shooter, but he's relatively athletic, and has a legit 7 foot wingspan. That's a nice fit.

Just don't have the assets to faciltate a deal, unless we include a 2018 first rounder....which I'm not sure I'd do.

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