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Losing against 2 teams missing their 2 best players + their 4th/5th best player ?
INEXCUSABLE !!!

I have heard all the excuses, but I think this season Spoelstra is being exposed big time for whoever has eyes to see.
This team might miss the playoffs, and Boston, a team trying to tank ffs, might make it.
That's how bad this conference is at the bottom, and even in this conference the Heat might miss the playoffs.

I know, I know: injuries, Bosh out for season, terrible G rotation, no bench.

On the other hand, is this team that bad ?
Because most Heat fans would say:
* Wade is still pretty damn good.
* Deng is at least decent (last game notwithstanding)
* some called Hassan "dominant"
* Dragic is a very good PG (was 3rd team NBA last season and he fully deserved it)
* Bosh is a legit all star and he played more than half a season

So how come the Heat are behind the Bucks, for example ?
The Bucks lost Sanders way before the Heat lost Bosh, Mayo is crap, Ilyasova was injured all season long.
They should have no business being in front of the Heat in the standings.

Speaking of terrible guard rotation, when you have the worst guard rotation in the league, why would you ever play 3 guards at the same time ? Why play 2 of those horrible PGs you have ?

This guy is barely better than Mike "I'm never getting another HC job in the NBA ever again" Brown.
If anybody still believes Spoelstra is a good coach, I have a bridge to sell at a really good price.
I know Riley won't fire him, cause he's loyal to a fault, but I need to rant about it from time to time to try and keep my sanity - whatever's left of it, anyway.

This should help make you feel better:

Our team is just atrocious. We do not play with energy and allow stupid turnovers and could to completely derail us. The mental frailty and concrete characteristics of our rotations are what is not allowing us to move forward. We are beating ourselves. AND 8 SHOT ATTEMPTS FOR WHITESIDE??? Again, we are beating ourselves.

You will unleash echo chamber now.

To put things into perspective we got into a hole from being injury plagued. It did not allow us any continuity, consistency and spoiled our rotations and line ups.....this is how we got below .500 in the first place - all while we were trying to find chemistry w/ all the newly acquired players that included rookies & d-leaguers.

Fast forward to post ASG and acquiring Dragic, while getting rid of 3 players who were a consistent part of our rotations & Wade back from injury we then pretty much had to start over again w/ almost a completely new team - but unlike the start of the season where our record is 0-0 we have to also climb out of being below .500.

The rhythm and chemistry we couldn't find we had to try to achieve instantly in this vital portion of the season where all teams step up to try and lock up a spot for the playoffs - So we are in a very tough situation. Furthermore we've added Walker & now Beasley into the mix of this mess. We have hardly settled and we gotta try to find a way to make all these pieces fit while trying to win ball games to get out of below .500

Moreover the issue of having a legit PG in Dragic who strives in a fast paced offense trying to work him into our system has been difficult w/ everything else on the list we must do as stated above.

I haven't even mentioned losing Bosh out of the blue during the All-Star break - who gave us something close to 20-10 a night.

W/ all those considered we can kind of excuse the losses thus far. It's like Voltron trying to fight enemies w/ make shift lions that have never fought together before while losing his sword. It'll take time for us to find our identity, what our strengths are etc. These losses will only make us stronger in the long run as we become closer like brothers. Perhaps we need to experience the hardship & struggle together as a team in order to be tougher, closer and motivated as a unit.

3ballbomber wrote:To put things into perspective we got into a hole from being injury plagued. It did not allow us any continuity, consistency and spoiled our rotations and line ups.....this is how we got below .500 in the first place - all while we were trying to find chemistry w/ all the newly acquired players that included rookies & d-leaguers.

Fast forward to post ASG and acquiring Dragic, while getting rid of 3 players who were a consistent part of our rotations & Wade back from injury we then pretty much had to start over again w/ almost a completely new team - but unlike the start of the season where our record is 0-0 we have to also climb out of being below .500.

The rhythm and chemistry we couldn't find we had to try to achieve instantly in this vital portion of the season where all teams step up to try and lock up a spot for the playoffs - So we are in a very tough situation. Furthermore we've added Walker & now Beasley into the mix of this mess. We have hardly settled and we gotta try to find a way to make all these pieces fit while trying to win ball games to get out of below .500

Moreover the issue of having a legit PG in Dragic who strives in a fast paced offense trying to work him into our system has been difficult w/ everything else on the list we must do as stated above.

I haven't even mentioned losing Bosh out of the blue during the All-Star break - who gave us something close to 20-10 a night.

W/ all those considered we can kind of excuse the losses thus far. It's like Voltron trying to fight enemies w/ make shift lions that have never fought together before while losing his sword. It'll take time for us to find our identity, what our strengths are etc. These losses will only make us stronger in the long run as we become closer like brothers. Perhaps we need to experience the hardship & struggle together as a team in order to be tougher, closer and motivated as a unit.

At every point along the way, this team has been too talented to struggle like it has.

And I was a pessimist going into the season.

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3ballbomber wrote:To put things into perspective we got into a hole from being injury plagued. It did not allow us any continuity, consistency and spoiled our rotations and line ups.....this is how we got below .500 in the first place - all while we were trying to find chemistry w/ all the newly acquired players that included rookies & d-leaguers.

Fast forward to post ASG and acquiring Dragic, while getting rid of 3 players who were a consistent part of our rotations & Wade back from injury we then pretty much had to start over again w/ almost a completely new team - but unlike the start of the season where our record is 0-0 we have to also climb out of being below .500.

The rhythm and chemistry we couldn't find we had to try to achieve instantly in this vital portion of the season where all teams step up to try and lock up a spot for the playoffs - So we are in a very tough situation. Furthermore we've added Walker & now Beasley into the mix of this mess. We have hardly settled and we gotta try to find a way to make all these pieces fit while trying to win ball games to get out of below .500

Moreover the issue of having a legit PG in Dragic who strives in a fast paced offense trying to work him into our system has been difficult w/ everything else on the list we must do as stated above.

I haven't even mentioned losing Bosh out of the blue during the All-Star break - who gave us something close to 20-10 a night.

W/ all those considered we can kind of excuse the losses thus far. It's like Voltron trying to fight enemies w/ make shift lions that have never fought together before while losing his sword. It'll take time for us to find our identity, what our strengths are etc. These losses will only make us stronger in the long run as we become closer like brothers. Perhaps we need to experience the hardship & struggle together as a team in order to be tougher, closer and motivated as a unit.

At every point along the way, this team has been too talented to struggle like it has.

And I was a pessimist going into the season.

Talent doesn't automatically equate to wins tho

YAWKYAWK wrote:Talent doesn't automatically equate to wins tho

I agree. The question becomes "why not?" Is it the players or the coach or both? I've always thought that Spo was piss poor, so that's who I tend to blame.

3ballbomber wrote:To put things into perspective we got into a hole from being injury plagued. It did not allow us any continuity, consistency and spoiled our rotations and line ups.....this is how we got below .500 in the first place - all while we were trying to find chemistry w/ all the newly acquired players that included rookies & d-leaguers.

Fast forward to post ASG and acquiring Dragic, while getting rid of 3 players who were a consistent part of our rotations & Wade back from injury we then pretty much had to start over again w/ almost a completely new team - but unlike the start of the season where our record is 0-0 we have to also climb out of being below .500.

The rhythm and chemistry we couldn't find we had to try to achieve instantly in this vital portion of the season where all teams step up to try and lock up a spot for the playoffs - So we are in a very tough situation. Furthermore we've added Walker & now Beasley into the mix of this mess. We have hardly settled and we gotta try to find a way to make all these pieces fit while trying to win ball games to get out of below .500

Moreover the issue of having a legit PG in Dragic who strives in a fast paced offense trying to work him into our system has been difficult w/ everything else on the list we must do as stated above.

I haven't even mentioned losing Bosh out of the blue during the All-Star break - who gave us something close to 20-10 a night.

W/ all those considered we can kind of excuse the losses thus far. It's like Voltron trying to fight enemies w/ make shift lions that have never fought together before while losing his sword. It'll take time for us to find our identity, what our strengths are etc. These losses will only make us stronger in the long run as we become closer like brothers. Perhaps we need to experience the hardship & struggle together as a team in order to be tougher, closer and motivated as a unit.

All I see is more excuses.
I have already acknowledged everything you just mentioned. You just repeated and elaborated on that.

Let me give you a few counter-points:

* If Spoelstra expected Wade to play 75+ games, he's an imbecile and needs to be fired yesterday. He is too familiar with Wade's issues, and he should have game-planned for him being in and out of the line-up. If that means tweaking the system, simplifying it or whatever, it's his job as a HC. The Heat weren't the only ones missing key players at times.

* Miami isn't the only team ever to go through something like this. And few others responded as bad to adversity. The Bulls in 2012-13 had no Rose for the entire season, Noah played 66 games, Gibson 65, and they still won 45 games.

* Even with inconsistent rosters, new additions etc, the teams the Heat lost to were missing their 2 best players. Let me repeat that: The Pelicans and Hawks were missing their 2 best players + one more starter. And the Pelicans are not even a playoff team and their coach is considered pretty bad. The Heat were missing Bosh and McBob, but still had Wade, Dragic, Whiteside and Deng. Who is the one responsible for using the talent on the team to get wins ?

3ballbomber wrote:W/ all those considered we can kind of excuse the losses thus far. It's like Voltron trying to fight enemies w/ make shift lions that have never fought together before while losing his sword. It'll take time for us to find our identity, what our strengths are etc. These losses will only make us stronger in the long run as we become closer like brothers. Perhaps we need to experience the hardship & struggle together as a team in order to be tougher, closer and motivated as a unit.

Sorry, but I don't even know what this drivel is supposed to mean.
These are not the kind of loses from which you learn anything. And I am not a proponent of the idea that slamming your head repeatedly into a concrete wall will make you stronger.

thinktellectual wrote:* Miami isn't the only team ever to go through something like this. And few others responded as bad to adversity. The Bulls in 2012-13 had no Rose for the entire season, Noah played 66 games, Gibson 65, and they still won 45 games.

And Kirk Hinrich and Nate Robinson at PG and Jimmy Butler, Marquis Teague, Marco Belinelli, Richard Hamilton, and DeQuan Cook filling out the rest of the backcourt was no prize either.

thinktellectual wrote:All I see is more excuses ...

I agree with you 100%, but you need to

Judging from your use of CAPS and over-sized bolded text ... I'm not sure your blood pressure will hold out through the end of the season.

That's why I put that emoticon in my signature ... to remind myself that stroking out won't help the Heat win games.

A lot of people blame injuries and its true, but when we were healthy we got blown out for 4 straight games I remember. People blamed it on continuity. Except this team just wasn't good

We have changed our personnel since then but also lost key pieces and the struggles remain the same...

We need to maximize the talent of our best players and we don't do that.

lol Spo is talking about a simplified offense and defense, that just screams "I don't know what I'm doing". It's hard for sure because we have 20+ games left and we are feeling the pressure of the playoff race, but they are making it more difficult than it should be. We now have a C and PG that we so coveted for YEARS... Build around that. Now Rio dribbling while Dragic stands in the corner. Who are we paying 20mil to again?

DefenseWins wrote:Now Rio dribbling while Dragic stands in the corner. Who are we paying 20mil to again?

I'm starting to worry that we won't be able to re-sign him.

This team doesn't lack talent. But if you allow the Pelicans, who were without Anthony Davis and Ryan Anderson, to score 104 points and allow Alexis Ajinca to score 24, you have fundamental problems. I can't quite figure out what it is, but every time I watch us play, I see a team underperforming. 1

The system that we run us not built for point guard and center play. Don't know if spo can adjust in time to take advantage of our assets. Dragic and Whiteside might leave as a result.

Rapaz wrote:This should help make you feel better:

Spoiler:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JoeGoodmanJr/status/571878263607447552[/tweet]

meh thats a sorry ass excuse man

We need to pull back the playbook from the shaq days.

radikalBaller wrote:We need to pull back the playbook from the shaq days.

Agree. Smart Basketball

thinktellectual wrote:

3ballbomber wrote:To put things into perspective we got into a hole from being injury plagued. It did not allow us any continuity, consistency and spoiled our rotations and line ups.....this is how we got below .500 in the first place - all while we were trying to find chemistry w/ all the newly acquired players that included rookies & d-leaguers.

Fast forward to post ASG and acquiring Dragic, while getting rid of 3 players who were a consistent part of our rotations & Wade back from injury we then pretty much had to start over again w/ almost a completely new team - but unlike the start of the season where our record is 0-0 we have to also climb out of being below .500.

The rhythm and chemistry we couldn't find we had to try to achieve instantly in this vital portion of the season where all teams step up to try and lock up a spot for the playoffs - So we are in a very tough situation. Furthermore we've added Walker & now Beasley into the mix of this mess. We have hardly settled and we gotta try to find a way to make all these pieces fit while trying to win ball games to get out of below .500

Moreover the issue of having a legit PG in Dragic who strives in a fast paced offense trying to work him into our system has been difficult w/ everything else on the list we must do as stated above.

I haven't even mentioned losing Bosh out of the blue during the All-Star break - who gave us something close to 20-10 a night.

W/ all those considered we can kind of excuse the losses thus far. It's like Voltron trying to fight enemies w/ make shift lions that have never fought together before while losing his sword. It'll take time for us to find our identity, what our strengths are etc. These losses will only make us stronger in the long run as we become closer like brothers. Perhaps we need to experience the hardship & struggle together as a team in order to be tougher, closer and motivated as a unit.

All I see is more excuses.
I have already acknowledged everything you just mentioned. You just repeated and elaborated on that.

Let me give you a few counter-points:

* If Spoelstra expected Wade to play 75+ games, he's an imbecile and needs to be fired yesterday. He is too familiar with Wade's issues, and he should have game-planned for him being in and out of the line-up. If that means tweaking the system, simplifying it or whatever, it's his job as a HC. The Heat weren't the only ones missing key players at times.

* Miami isn't the only team ever to go through something like this. And few others responded as bad to adversity. The Bulls in 2012-13 had no Rose for the entire season, Noah played 66 games, Gibson 65, and they still won 45 games.

* Even with inconsistent rosters, new additions etc, the teams the Heat lost to were missing their 2 best players. Let me repeat that: The Pelicans and Hawks were missing their 2 best players + one more starter. And the Pelicans are not even a playoff team and their coach is considered pretty bad. The Heat were missing Bosh and McBob, but still had Wade, Dragic, Whiteside and Deng. Who is the one responsible for using the talent on the team to get wins ?

3ballbomber wrote:W/ all those considered we can kind of excuse the losses thus far. It's like Voltron trying to fight enemies w/ make shift lions that have never fought together before while losing his sword. It'll take time for us to find our identity, what our strengths are etc. These losses will only make us stronger in the long run as we become closer like brothers. Perhaps we need to experience the hardship & struggle together as a team in order to be tougher, closer and motivated as a unit.

Sorry, but I don't even know what this drivel is supposed to mean.
These are not the kind of loses from which you learn anything. And I am not a proponent of the idea that slamming your head repeatedly into a concrete wall will make you stronger.

drivel? why are you catching feelings on my opinion!? much like you stated yours these are mine - what makes you think you are correct and others are wrong!? let alone look down on them......i respected yours enough to not insult it.

Besides it's clear you did not properly understand my stance since your so enamored by your own thoughts. I stand by everything i've stated. THe team has been a hot mess since the get go, we subtract and add diff pieces to the mess and you think it's all going to go smoothly? Wade is hardly in rhythm yet, once every player gets comfortable w/ one another the team will play far more efficiently - it's as simple as that. It's only been 4 games into the 2nd half you think we're working miracles here? put into account that our squad consists of d-leaguers and rookies too......I'm positive that Spo is still trying to find the right rotations and the right minutes for each players also. You think these are all excuses i call them more facts than anything remotely close to excuses. You watch this team improve once we gain better chemistry and players know their roles, comfortable w/ the system, w/ each other etc. You wrist cutters after each loss overreact.....put things into perspective and consideration and relax. It's not the end of the world. We acquired solid players for the future. Now it's time we get all the pieces to fit and work together. You make it sound like we are a team that's been together for years - fact is we're not and that is our challenge right now, to get everything clicking together and working.

But one thing i do understand completely is that this is nothing more than a coach Spo bashing thread. Try to be more creative

The Heat's "stars" have under-performed and the roster lacks talent. I mean, think about the players we've been cheering on. They are nobodies that no other team in the league wants but we are hoping they turn into something. James Ennis? Justin Hamilton? Henry Walker? Beasley? Chalmers? Napier? Tyler Johnson?

Riley did not put this team in position to win this year. For you to win with these kind of players you need stars that play every game at a high level. Bosh is not that, and Wade sure as hell isn't anymore. Not only is he always injured, and seems to play whenever he feels like it, but he has been absolutely horrible the last 6 games he has played for us. He is shooting 38%, turns the ball over over 4 times a game. We used to be able to handle his high turnovers because he would make spectacular plays that resulted in buckets for himself or others. That sure isn't the case anymore.

We hold this team too high up due to the past that is attached to these names. The roster is weak. The stars are washed up. We have no shooters.

I am excited about Dragic and Whiteside. Why do we want to pile minutes on this young man just so we can be bounced out early on out of the playoffs? You all want to play him 30-40 a game for what? To win some regular season games on a busted season?