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Simmons ranks Whiteside at #33, but I can't even think of 15 players I'd take over him.

Which current players would you take over Hassan Whiteside?

From Bill Simmon's 2015 Trade Value Ranking (http://grantland.com/features/2015-nba-trade-value-part-2-the-temple-of-doom/)

37. Rudy Gobert
36. Jabari Parker
35. Joel Embiid
34. Carmelo Anthony
33. Chris Bosh / Hassan Whiteside
32. Dwight Howard
31. Gregg Popovich
30. Bradley Beal
29. Jimmy Butler
28. Andre Drummond
27. Tony Parker
26. Tim Duncan
25. Dwyane Wade
24. Dirk Nowitzki
23. Paul George
22. Andrew Wiggins
21. Giannis Antetokounmpo
20. Mike Conley
19. Serge Ibaka
18. Kawhi Leonard
17. Al Horford
16. Kyle Lowry
15. Damian Lillard
14. LaMarcus Aldridge
13. Marc Gasol
12. John Wall
11. Klay Thompson

There's very few players I would swap Whiteside for if given the opportunity, if we didnt acquire Dragic I might feel differently with a hole at PG, but given his importance to the team I could only make an argument for a Durant caliber player/future and there's only 2-3 of them in the league.

As I said in another thread the other day I wouldn't even take Lebron over Whiteside now.

He has the potential to be something special and he is something we need and have needed for many years.

Would I take AD for him - probably, KD probably but then we'd have a hole at C again.

There are so few great Centers at the moment that if he can progress and dominate he'll set us up for another dynastical run.

f course he could let it go to his head and be a flop but at the moment at least he is our potential.

Just hoping we'll be able to lock this guy up for the long term..

I can only name 9: LBJ, KD, AD, Dwight Howard, Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Blake Griffin and Marc Gasol. The Great White is all the way up there in the Top 10 NBA players. He is my hero.

And I know LBJ is gonna beg his way back to South Beach like a crying baby if we beat the Cavs this May (2nd vs 7th seed).

Jim Naismith wrote:Simmons ranks Whiteside at #33, but I can't even think of 15 players I'd take over him.

Whiteside has only been doing this for a couple of months or so, so no one should assume that he can keep this up month after month and year after year. He needs to keep this up (or something resembling this) through next season before I consider him untradeable.

HIF wrote:As I said in another thread the other day I wouldn't even take Lebron over Whiteside now.

He has the potential to be something special and he is something we need and have needed for many years.

Would I take AD for him - probably, KD probably but then we'd have a hole at C again.

There are so few great Centers at the moment that if he can progress and dominate he'll set us up for another dynastical run.

f course he could let it go to his head and be a flop but at the moment at least he is our potential.

Exactly. Great centers are so rare. Their value is incredibly high. That outweighs most positions. I wouldn't take any player in the NBA over Whiteside. What other big man out there is producing like Hassan? None. His production right now is getting compared to an Orlando Shaq. That's incredible.

RexBoyWonder wrote:

insfo wrote:

RexBoyWonder wrote:PER don't lie.

He might be our best player.

Last 13 games, in just 29 minutes per game : 16 points, 14 boards, 2.7 blocks, 62% FG.

Can't think of a Center I would trade him for.

Definitely not Dwight - always hurt and a clown,
not Jordan - way too limited offensively,
Boggie - a real headcase with a crappy attitude that hates defense,
Hibbert - is trash
Drummond - is struggling hard on offense and still 30% FT

Maybe Marc Gasol? He's 30 YO already. Wouldn't do it either.

Brightside is simply the best fit for us in the entire NBA.

I think you meant Boogie, since Boggie is what GS fans call Bogut I think. Anyway, that one I'd think hard. Cousins is that good.

Yup I meant Cousins, and while he's rightfully considered to be more talented in terms of pure skills, but I Wouldn't take him over Whiteside.


1) I like my Centers to anchor a defense, something Boogie doesn't seem to do. seems to lack both the skills and effort/attitude for that.

2) Whiteside is a better rebounder and shotblocker, that's a given, every stat supports that.

3) Whiteside is only 1 year older, so that's not a factor.

4) So we're left with offense : while Cous is more talented and versatile on offense, he never had a season of 50% FG or higher in his 5 seasons. 46% FG this year, Whiteside is at 63%. That's a massive gap, I want my Center to be the most efficient player, not chuck like a mediocre guard. So even Cousins biggest advantage should be looked at with the right perspective.

So no other Center. Since Center is still the most impactful position to me, it would have to be someone with a clear talent advantage. And since Hassan is 25 YO, it can't be for a vet like Lebron. Leavs me with :

1.Durant
2.A.Davis
3.Stephen Curry
4.Harden (Despite not liking his game at all).

That's about it.

I wouldn't take any Centers over him, not even DMC or Gasol. That makes him more valuable.

I'll wait till till the end of next season before declaring him un-tradeable. If he becomes that generational, dynastic big man like some Heat fans hope (me), the only guy you trade him for his AD.

You need to think harder.

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
Harden
Curry
Marc Gasol
Anthony Davis
Bosh
Wall
Irving
Aldridge
Dwight
Paul George
Horford
Noah
Melo
CP3
Love
Cousins
Griffin

Arguably:
Deandre Jordan
Hibbert
Pau Gasol
Gobert

If you ask which players would fit better with Miami, the list is shorter, but still easily over 15 names.

Jim Naismith wrote:From Bill Simmon's 2015 Trade Value Ranking (http://grantland.com/features/2015-nba-trade-value-part-2-the-temple-of-doom/)

37. Rudy Gobert
36. Jabari Parker
35. Joel Embiid
34. Carmelo Anthony
33. Chris Bosh / Hassan Whiteside
32. Dwight Howard
31. Gregg Popovich
30. Bradley Beal
29. Jimmy Butler
28. Andre Drummond
27. Tony Parker
26. Tim Duncan
25. Dwyane Wade
24. Dirk Nowitzki
23. Paul George
22. Andrew Wiggins
21. Giannis Antetokounmpo
20. Mike Conley
19. Serge Ibaka
18. Kawhi Leonard
17. Al Horford
16. Kyle Lowry
15. Damian Lillard
14. LaMarcus Aldridge
13. Marc Gasol
12. John Wall
11. Klay Thompson

I think this is a joke so I didn't even look at the whole list, but it was sort of amusing

contract wrote:

Jim Naismith wrote:Simmons ranks Whiteside at #33, but I can't even think of 15 players I'd take over him.

Whiteside has only been doing this for a couple of months or so, so no one should assume that he can keep this up month after month and year after year. He needs to keep this up (or something resembling this) through next season before I consider him untradeable.

The level of insane homerism in this thread is off the charts.

This guy was out of the NBA DESPITE his obvious physical abilities.
That's how bad his attitude was.
And that was before having any success or any real NBA money.

What happens when he gets a contract of 10+ million per season ?
What happens when he has about 50 mil guaranteed money ?

Will he still be motivated to work ? Will he still be motivated to have a good attitude ? Will he not think he's a star ? Will he not start asking for touches, asking to get 15-20 FGA per game ?

Someone claiming they wouldn't take Marc Gasol over Whiteside is clearly experiencing some sort of disconnect with reality.

That doesn't mean I don't like Hassan. I have him on my fantasy team, FFS.
But getting that crazy about him and making him seem the next Hakeem or Shaq .... that's just crazy.

thinktellectual wrote:

contract wrote:

Jim Naismith wrote:Simmons ranks Whiteside at #33, but I can't even think of 15 players I'd take over him.

Whiteside has only been doing this for a couple of months or so, so no one should assume that he can keep this up month after month and year after year. He needs to keep this up (or something resembling this) through next season before I consider him untradeable.

The level of insane homerism in this thread is off the charts.

This guy was out of the NBA DESPITE his obvious physical abilities.
That's how bad his attitude was.
And that was before having any success or any real NBA money.

What happens when he gets a contract of 10+ million per season ?
What happens when he has about 50 mil guaranteed money ?

Will he still be motivated to work ? Will he still be motivated to have a good attitude ? Will he not think he's a star ? Will he not start asking for touches, asking to get 15-20 FGA per game ?

Someone claiming they wouldn't take Marc Gasol over Whiteside is clearly experiencing some sort of disconnect with reality.

That doesn't mean I don't like Hassan. I have him on my fantasy team, FFS.
But getting that crazy about him and making him seem the next Hakeem or Shaq .... that's just crazy.

There's a whole lot of nobody in this league who can stop him from doing what he's doing right now. That's why he's so valuable, especially to us. He's doing everything right. If his PLAY has been as good as any in recent memory then I don't care what his NAME is. He's doing right now what very few have done. His worst game was 16 points, 7 rebs and 4 blocks over the last two months. Crazy stuff.

thinktellectual wrote:

contract wrote:

Jim Naismith wrote:Simmons ranks Whiteside at #33, but I can't even think of 15 players I'd take over him.

Whiteside has only been doing this for a couple of months or so, so no one should assume that he can keep this up month after month and year after year. He needs to keep this up (or something resembling this) through next season before I consider him untradeable.

The level of insane homerism in this thread is off the charts.

This guy was out of the NBA DESPITE his obvious physical abilities.
That's how bad his attitude was.
And that was before having any success or any real NBA money.

What happens when he gets a contract of 10+ million per season ?
What happens when he has about 50 mil guaranteed money ?

Will he still be motivated to work ? Will he still be motivated to have a good attitude ? Will he not think he's a star ? Will he not start asking for touches, asking to get 15-20 FGA per game ?

Someone claiming they wouldn't take Marc Gasol over Whiteside is clearly experiencing some sort of disconnect with reality.

That doesn't mean I don't like Hassan. I have him on my fantasy team, FFS.
But getting that crazy about him and making him seem the next Hakeem or Shaq .... that's just crazy.

foh

Jim Naismith wrote:Simmons ranks Whiteside at #33, but I can't even think of 15 players I'd take over him.

Which current players would you take over Hassan Whiteside?

From Bill Simmon's 2015 Trade Value Ranking (http://grantland.com/features/2015-nba-trade-value-part-2-the-temple-of-doom/)

37. Rudy Gobert
36. Jabari Parker
35. Joel Embiid
34. Carmelo Anthony
33. Chris Bosh / Hassan Whiteside
32. Dwight Howard
31. Gregg Popovich
30. Bradley Beal
29. Jimmy Butler
28. Andre Drummond
27. Tony Parker
26. Tim Duncan
25. Dwyane Wade
24. Dirk Nowitzki
23. Paul George
22. Andrew Wiggins
21. Giannis Antetokounmpo
20. Mike Conley
19. Serge Ibaka
18. Kawhi Leonard
17. Al Horford
16. Kyle Lowry
15. Damian Lillard
14. LaMarcus Aldridge
13. Marc Gasol
12. John Wall
11. Klay Thompson

lillard and paul george pre injury

joel embiid? Lol dude didnt even play a game yet.

I too am worried what happens once he gets his pay day. But nontheless, I expect him to continue being one of the top C in the league, hopefully lol

thinktellectual wrote:

contract wrote:

Jim Naismith wrote:Simmons ranks Whiteside at #33, but I can't even think of 15 players I'd take over him.

Whiteside has only been doing this for a couple of months or so, so no one should assume that he can keep this up month after month and year after year. He needs to keep this up (or something resembling this) through next season before I consider him untradeable.

The level of insane homerism in this thread is off the charts.

This guy was out of the NBA DESPITE his obvious physical abilities.
That's how bad his attitude was.
And that was before having any success or any real NBA money.

What happens when he gets a contract of 10+ million per season ?
What happens when he has about 50 mil guaranteed money ?

Will he still be motivated to work ? Will he still be motivated to have a good attitude ? Will he not think he's a star ? Will he not start asking for touches, asking to get 15-20 FGA per game ?

Someone claiming they wouldn't take Marc Gasol over Whiteside is clearly experiencing some sort of disconnect with reality.

That doesn't mean I don't like Hassan. I have him on my fantasy team, FFS.
But getting that crazy about him and making him seem the next Hakeem or Shaq .... that's just crazy.

And this is the reason why if I am Whiteside's agent that I will do everything in my power to keep him in Miami. You might call it job security. Anybody else might consider that Hassan is a jack*ss. But he is our jack*ss and we love him.

RexBoyWonder wrote:

RexBoyWonder wrote:

insfo wrote:
I think you meant Boogie, since Boggie is what GS fans call Bogut I think. Anyway, that one I'd think hard. Cousins is that good.

Yup I meant Cousins, and while he's rightfully considered to be more talented in terms of pure skills, but I Wouldn't take him over Whiteside.


1) I like my Centers to anchor a defense, something Boogie doesn't seem to do. seems to lack both the skills and effort/attitude for that.

2) Whiteside is a better rebounder and shotblocker, that's a given, every stat supports that.

3) Whiteside is only 1 year older, so that's not a factor.

4) So we're left with offense : while Cous is more talented and versatile on offense, he never had a season of 50% FG or higher in his 5 seasons. 46% FG this year, Whiteside is at 63%. That's a massive gap, I want my Center to be the most efficient player, not chuck like a mediocre guard. So even Cousins biggest advantage should be looked at with the right perspective.

So no other Center. Since Center is still the most impactful position to me, it would have to be someone with a clear talent advantage. And since Hassan is 25 YO, it can't be for a vet like Lebron. Leavs me with :

1.Durant
2.A.Davis
3.Stephen Curry
4.Harden (Despite not liking his game at all).

That's about it.

Then again:

Kevin Durant
Experience: 7 years
Average Salary: $17,832,627

James Harden
Experience: 5 years
Average Salary: $15,756,438

Stephen Curry
Experience: 5 years
Average Salary: $11,000,000

Anthony Davis
Experience: 2 years
Average Salary: $5,799,503

Hassan Whiteside
Experience: 2 years
Average Salary: $875,615

Based on their salary I wouldn't trade Hassan. On regards to NBA's experience Whiteside's new contract will be far less than any of those players mentioned above. Taking multiple factors into account with the sole exception of Anthony Davis (age:21) I wouldn't trade Hassan. Now, if I have to chose between those two, Anthony Davis is the best pick for the long run. But, there's something far more important: loyalty. If you are Miami, Hassan Whiteside is your man. For all we know, Anthony Davis could be another LeBron James: some one who will leave the team after four years. My pick? Hassan Whiteside.

Thinktellectual telling us how we think again.

Maybe you would take 50 plus players over Hassan most of us wouldn't.

Just give your own opinion and don't tell us what our opinions should be. Opinions are personal.