2016 NBA Draft Thread

[Burnie Riley]

Let's find the next J-Rich!

I know we don't have a pick, but Elisberg said there's always a chance we can sneak back in (I don't know how [cough]McRobetrs trade [cough] send them the video of his double double with assists [cough]) ... Plus we should scout prospects that go undrafted like TJ, Whittington and Weber. I want to know about some prospects I haven't noticed, so I invite everyone to come in here and discuss guys they like from watching this college season and March Madness.

I'll start with Rasheed Sulaimon. I don't know what happened at Duke, but no charges were filed and I was surprised to see him playing for Maryland this year. He probably won't get drafted because of the scandal and I don't know if the Arisons would sign him, but Justise likes him, saying he's a Terps fan now. He looks like a solid 3 and D player, reminds me of Sefalosha on OKC. He's been a solid 3 point shooter since his freshman year at 37%, 41% as a soph, 40% as junior, 44% senior.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWS_P0mvLSY[/youtube]

[gom]

I like Wayne Selden, but we'll need a high 2nd round pick for him. He's a shooting guard.

Another player that is interesting is Perry Ellis who will also be available in the second round. A good forward prospect that teams may sleep on. He might not even be drafted. Great around the basket. He can hit a 3. Needs a lot of work.

[Burnie Riley]

This March Madness has been pretty good this year. Check out the goat of last year's draft thread:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/imdtf24/status/711745050930098176[/tweet]

Selden and Ellis look like good prospects that will put up good numbers in the d league. I think Mcllellan from the Hurricanes is going to average in the 20s in the d league. Ellis is undersized but if he can become a higher volume stretch four he has a chance.

Sulaimon is a guy that doesn't put up big numbers but helps his teams and comes through in big moments on both offense and defense:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/711715338149191680[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/BTNBrentYarina/status/711715513047638020[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/TerrapinHoops/status/711732753771790338[/tweet]

[RexBoyWonder]

Still kinda early, we'll be smarter about our needs once the playoffs are done.

1 sleeper I like is Jarrod Uthoff, will probably be a low second round pick with a Ryan Anderson potential as a sniper stretch 4.

Grayson Allen Might drop to early second round, he's an aggressive scorer that could fit well next to our more defensive young core.

I loved hearing we might buy into this draft. You can always find talent with some hard scouting and a bit of luck.

[afour495+]

Grayson Allen would be a pretty great get this summer. I don't think he is entirelly nba ready yet but with some time in the D-league he could be good. He's great friends with Justise as they went to Duke together.

[Burnie Riley]

1 sleeper I like is Jarrod Uthoff, will probably be a low second round pick with a Ryan Anderson potential as a sniper stretch 4.

Yeah, I saw the game yesterday. He looked pretty good, blocks shots too.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiU5zV0nrCY[/youtube]

Grayson Allen needs to change his shoes or something, he keeps slipping at crucial moments.

I wonder if Gary Payton 2 gets drafted. He puts up numbers, but he can't shoot threes, he's older, and there's no way he is 6-3 as listed.

[heat4life]

Is too early for this BUT in spirit of a great march madness season thus far, here are a couple names to remember in case we get a pick in the 2nd round or undrafted FA.

SG Ron Baker - Wichita State
6'4 220lbs

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRowhvw41AY[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fDgiYepWUM[/youtube]

Reminds me a bit of Kyle Korver in college with his quick release although he's only been a 38% 3pt in college (Korver was in the 40's consistently) and just 43% overall. He is a catch and shoot player that uses screens prefectly to get open and knows how to get to his spots with fakes and step backs. Needs some work on the defensive side and mid-range game. Also needs to gain some muscle. Nothing our NBDL program can't fix IMO.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0QVtfASx2c[/youtube]

SG Sheldon McClellan - Miami
6'5 205lbs

One of my favorites. Good athlete that can make a shot from anywhere on the court (3, mid, rim) and is a good defender. He has become an efficient shooter as well without requiring a ton of shots. He can be a bit too passive at times, maybe lose focus and disappear from games if he's struggling. This might be why teams have him as a 2nd rounder or undrafted free agent but when he is on his game, he is an NBA talent for sure. He improved with better coaching at the U and might correct his shortcomings with an organization like Miami or San Antonio working with him.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4WyhBR3P_E[/youtube]

[Burnie Riley]

Still kinda early, we'll be smarter about our needs once the playoffs are done.

1 sleeper I like is Jarrod Uthoff, will probably be a low second round pick with a Ryan Anderson potential as a sniper stretch 4.
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You seem to have an eye for stretch fours, so i'll ask what you think of Kyle Wiltjer? He doesn't have the defense of Uthoff, which is why he is not projected to get drafted, but he's been a Ryan Anderson type sniper his whole college career. 43%, 37%, 46%, 43%

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gIiG5VNGrA[/youtube]

I'm liking the prospects everbody's been bringing up. This draft isn't as top heavy as the last draft, but the rest of the draft might be better.

[RexBoyWonder]

Still kinda early, we'll be smarter about our needs once the playoffs are done.

1 sleeper I like is Jarrod Uthoff, will probably be a low second round pick with a Ryan Anderson potential as a sniper stretch 4.
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You seem to have an eye for stretch fours, so i'll ask what you think of Kyle Wiltjer? He doesn't have the defense of Uthoff, which is why he is not projected to get drafted, but he's been a Ryan Anderson type sniper his whole college career. 43%, 37%, 46%, 43%

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gIiG5VNGrA[/youtube]

I'm liking the prospects everbody's been bringing up. This draft isn't as top heavy as the last draft, but the rest of the draft might be better.

Well from what I can tell they have comparable size and shooting touch, but I like Utoff a lot better. It's not just the blocks/steals gap (which is a big indicator for translatable defense) but it's mostly just the feeling he's a lot tougher, both in body and in mindset. Its not like either of them is a great athlthe in NBA standards, But Utoff plays hard and physical, while Wiltjer gives me the "soft" vibes.

Also despite not being a great athlthe, Utoff should be handle himself in the next level. He's strong enough to play PF in todays league despite being a year younger. Wiltjer looks more like a tall slow SF from the Steve Novak mold. Just not athletic enough.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djhsqWerIuk[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVp8eZEKnD0[/youtube]

About this draft - it's not really an issue for us because of the range we might be able to pick in (~35 and down), when talking about deep/strong draft people are referring to the top 20-25 of the first round, after those picks are gone it's all a crap shot in each and every year, you can find a diamonds but it's not very likely.

[Burnie Riley]

Well from what I can tell they have comparable size and shooting touch, but I like Utoff a lot better. It's not just the blocks/steals gap (which is a big indicator for translatable defense) but it's mostly just the feeling he's a lot tougher, both in body and in mindset. Its not like either of them is a great athlthe in NBA standards, But Utoff plays hard and physical, while Wiltjer gives me the "soft" vibes.

Also despite not being a great athlthe, Utoff should be handle himself in the next level. He's strong enough to play PF in todays league despite being a year younger. Wiltjer looks more like a tall slow SF from the Steve Novak mold. Just not athletic enough.

I watched the game last night and this was an accurate assessment of Wiltjer, but boy can he shoot! Nba range already. Sabonis covered up for him somewhat on defense. Maybe pairing him with Whiteside and Winslow could be even better to mask him? A stretch four weapon like that at the end of the bench could be useful.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqqOiTmFyk[/youtube]

I wonder if Justise is going to put in a word for this guy to play for Heat summer league:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/IAmJustise/status/713222092989313025[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/sheed_ctmd1/status/713251442568642560[/tweet]
He looked amazing in the first half against Kansas, but then in 2nd half his threes were falling short, probably due to tired legs.

Perry Ellis looks like a skinny Carlos Boozer, even losing his hair too.

[RexBoyWonder]

Well from what I can tell they have comparable size and shooting touch, but I like Utoff a lot better. It's not just the blocks/steals gap (which is a big indicator for translatable defense) but it's mostly just the feeling he's a lot tougher, both in body and in mindset. Its not like either of them is a great athlthe in NBA standards, But Utoff plays hard and physical, while Wiltjer gives me the "soft" vibes.

Also despite not being a great athlthe, Utoff should be handle himself in the next level. He's strong enough to play PF in todays league despite being a year younger. Wiltjer looks more like a tall slow SF from the Steve Novak mold. Just not athletic enough.

I watched the game last night and this was an accurate assessment of Wiltjer, but boy can he shoot! Nba range already. Sabonis covered up for him somewhat on defense. Maybe pairing him with Whiteside and Winslow could be even better to mask him? A stretch four weapon like that at the end of the bench could be useful.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqqOiTmFyk[/youtube]

I wonder if Justise is going to put in a word for this guy to play for Heat summer league:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/IAmJustise/status/713222092989313025[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/sheed_ctmd1/status/713251442568642560[/tweet]
He looked amazing in the first half against Kansas, but then in 2nd half his threes were falling short, probably due to tired legs.

Perry Ellis looks like a skinny Carlos Boozer, even losing his hair too.

He's just too one-dimensional I think, a great spot up shooter but not quick enough to get open in the NBA like a Kyle Korver would. Which makes him pretty useless on the next level.

In any case - Looking at J-Rich establish himself as a legit 2 way player so soon, it's the best indication of the draft possibilities even beyond the first round. He flow completely under the radar but sometimes you just hit gold if you scout hard and catch a break.

I'm sure our scouting department and Chad Kammerer are watching all these games surrounded by Pizza and energy drinks, Once you find guys like Whiteside, TJ and J-rich out of nowhere you just get even hungrier for more steals. With the cap going up, rookies are more valuable then ever before. They also probably got more resources now then ever in terms of staff, man hours, and an open door to Riley.

[gom]

I just saw that UCONN's center, Brimah, declared for the draft. He's one of my favorite AAC players so I got inspired to start writing down some thoughts.

Here are some players that I'm tracking that are either in the high 50s or will go undrafted. I used the big board and nbadraft as a guide:

http://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard


Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (6/10/97, 6-8, 195, SG, KANSAS, FR)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Sviatoslav-Mykhailiuk-62959/

Derrick Jones (2/15/97, 6-7, 190 lbs, SF, UNLV, FR)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Derrick-Jones-7240/

Bennie Boatwright (7/13/96, 6-10, 220 lbs, SF/PF, USC, FR)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bennie-Boatwright-71549/
Unranked - probably won’t opt for draft.

Perry Ellis (9/14/93, 6-8, 222, SF, KANSAS, SR)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Perry-Ellis-6288/
Ranked 59th.

Sheldon McClellan (12/21/92, 6-5, 205 lbs, SG, MIAMI, SR)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Sheldon-McClellan-6248/

Amida Brimah (2/11/94, 7-0, 217 lbs, C, UCONN, JR) Declared for draft.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Amida-Brimah-7286/
Unranked.


Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk - His shooting is really impressive. This video is against some pretty bad competition but it's still cool to watch:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj_BR_i27i0[/youtube]

Against Texas Tech:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgVMDb0HQUQ[/youtube]

Draft Express ranks him at 46.


Derrick Jones
I think Derrick Jones may declare for the draft, even though he would profit by staying longer in UNLV. The NCAA suspended him from play because of his last year's ACT test, the location he took the test had issues:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/unlv-rebels/basketball/ncaa-rules-unlv-s-derrick-jones-ineligible-rest-season

So, why am I high on Derrick Jones? He is super athletic.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CbNTRibGWQ[/youtube]

He's really good around the basket and can also play defense. This video shows he also has 3 point range:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfWoFGE5FD0[/youtube]

This is the kind of player that may have lottery talent next year, but if he goes to the draft early, he may be a steal.

(I'm going to keep adding to this post)

[walk with me]

so what I can see from this thread is that the fans want....

undersized for their position 3 point shooters who won't be able to play defense at all in the NBA

good idea guys lol

[Burnie Riley]

so what I can see from this thread is that the fans want....

undersized for their position 3 point shooters who won't be able to play defense at all in the NBA

good idea guys lol

Hmm, sounds like something people would've thought of TJ... No need to come in here and criticize because we're looking at guys that might go undrafted and might develop in the d league for the future. There's no point in discussing Ingram vs Simmons here...

Anyway, so as not to waste a post, I'll point out a guy I noticed in a couple games last week. Malachi Richardson has a similar frame to Josh Richardson. He shot the ball poorly from inside the arc this season, but I see some potential there. He's a 20 year old freshman, so he will probably stay in school.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4XtT_NliFc[/youtube]

[gom]

so what I can see from this thread is that the fans want....

undersized for their position 3 point shooters who won't be able to play defense at all in the NBA

good idea guys lol

Well, I'm sorry I couldn't find any top 10 picks from 50-100 in the rankings. How exactly is a 6-8 shooting guard undersized? A 7-0 center? a 6-7 or 6-8 SF? A 6-10 PF? Derrick Jones has almost a 7-0 wingspan. If you watched the video you can see him leaping and blocking shots.

What kind of player do you expect to find at the bottom of the draft? That's what we're figuring out here. Maybe you are looking for the Celtics or 76ers board?

so what I can see from this thread is that the fans want....

undersized for their position 3 point shooters who won't be able to play defense at all in the NBA

good idea guys lol

Hmm, sounds like something people would've thought of TJ... No need to come in here and criticize because we're looking at guys that might go undrafted and might develop in the d league for the future. There's no point in discussing Ingram vs Simmons here...

Anyway, so as not to waste a post, I'll point out a guy I noticed in a couple games last week. Malachi Richardson has a similar frame to Josh Richardson. He shot the ball poorly from inside the arc this season, but I see some potential there. He's a 20 year old freshman, so he will probably stay in school.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4XtT_NliFc[/youtube]

Yeah, man, I think he won't come out yet, but he has a sweet shot and I love his drive about 0:45 in. He's also feisty around the basket getting that last basket. He's a big part of Syracuse's game at the moment.

[walk with me]

Hmm, sounds like something people would've thought of TJ... No need to come in here and criticize because we're looking at guys that might go undrafted and might develop in the d league for the future. There's no point in discussing Ingram vs Simmons here...

Anyway, so as not to waste a post, I'll point out a guy I noticed in a couple games last week. Malachi Richardson has a similar frame to Josh Richardson. He shot the ball poorly from inside the arc this season, but I see some potential there. He's a 20 year old freshman, so he will probably stay in school.

Tyler Johnson was undrafted... we essentially got him for free

I thought this thread is discussing figuring out ways to GET A DRAFT PICK to take a risk on a most likely unproven college player. If it's just to discuss the 2016 then that's my mistake. If it's to discuss guys who we SHOULD POTENTIALLY DRAFT.. then all these undersize 3 point shooters who won't be able to play defense at the elite level is a waste of time.

Well, I'm sorry I couldn't find any top 10 picks from 50-100 in the rankings. How exactly is a 6-8 shooting guard undersized? A 7-0 center? a 6-7 or 6-8 SF? A 6-10 PF? Derrick Jones has almost a 7-0 wingspan. If you watched the video you can see him leaping and blocking shots.

What kind of player do you expect to find at the bottom of the draft? That's what we're figuring out here. Maybe you are looking for the Celtics or 76ers board?

This draft is shallow. Why would we trade for a pick in the late 1st round/2nd round to get a project. I'd rather let a guy develop on someone elses clock and get him when he pans out.


Again if this thread is specifically to generally discuss the 2016 draft then my bad. If it's to discuss working to get a pick in this draft, i think it's not a good idea. Weak draft and the players coming out of college are getting weaker and weaker. If we did a trade that yielded us a pick i wouldn't be upset about that but I don't think that should be the foundation of any move we make.

[walk with me]

with all that said I actually do like Rasheed Sulaimon... I think he has the temperment to be a good professional. He plays extremely competitively. But I don't even think he's on draft boards at the moment, would rather just ink him to our summer league team and if he's legit sign him up.

[gom]

Tyler Johnson was undrafted... we essentially got him for free

Again if this thread is specifically to generally discuss the 2016 draft then my bad. If it's to discuss working to get a pick in this draft, i think it's not a good idea. Weak draft and the players coming out of college are getting weaker and weaker. If we did a trade that yielded us a pick i wouldn't be upset about that but I don't think that should be the foundation of any move we make.

Do you think that TJ just happened to be hanging around? We scouted him. We do it every year.

We're talking about finding young imperfect talent coming out of the draft class that will either be drafted high in the second round or not drafted at all. Jaylen Brown & Ben Simmons aren't going to be available for us, but a young player can be molded into a tool for the future.

I have to come back to your earlier comments about the players I suggested being undersized though. I think a 7'0" center is a good size. I mean not everyone is Tacko Fall (who if he declares for the draft would be a late 2nd or undrafted, but he won't).

with all that said I actually do like Rasheed Sulaimon... I think he has the temperament to be a good professional. He plays extremely competitively. But I don't even think he's on draft boards at the moment, would rather just ink him to our summer league team and if he's legit sign him up.

There you go!

[Bishop45]

So this the official who-we-tradin' McBob for thread?

[Burnie Riley]

If anyone wants to talk about Buddy Hield or whatever about the draft and the players who might get drafted or who might slip through the cracks feel free. I'm focusing on players who'll slip through because I don't think a trade will happen. I got excited when I read a Winderman article quoting Elisberg, saying that you never know if they might be able to sneak into the draft, but with McWaubets not getting any playing time, I doubt it will happen.

I also read that last year, Kramer pushed Elisberg to move up into the late first or early second to draft J-Rich, but Elisberg tried and was unable to. My guess is he offered something like #40 and Napier to a team like Boston for their late first or early 2nd. I do think teams would offer a first rounder for J Rich, but this isn't a george Hill-Kawhi situation. I wouldn't trade him even for some of the better players from last year's draft.

In any case, there are a lot of guys declaring and there will be some guys to watch either for Heat summer league or the Skyforce or in the d league. Here's a guy that's declaring early, and signing with an agent, that I liked in the tournament as a potential stretch 4:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIEfZ0m6VoA[/youtube]

I think Jake Layman will rise up the draft boards because of his tools. He was projected late 2nd before the tournament.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq5ADrh4seg[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDwZdRc25iA[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPshwfT48QE[/youtube]
THis guy might turn out better than Sam Dekker. If someone wants McBob, we can clear cap space and pick up a prospect.

I'm sure Kramer already has some obscure guys on his radar that no one even knows about.