Who to start at SG/SF?

Mars · Post #21 » by **Mars** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:24 am

Who to start at SG/SF?

More important is who finishes.

RJM · Post #22 » by **RJM** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:26 am

gom wrote:
contract wrote:
miula wrote:Right now we have 3 SG: Waiters / JRich / TJ, and 3 SF Winslow / JJ / McGruder

Who do you think / like to start?

Waiters is the shooting guard until he does something to lose the job. I think Winslow starts at SF to start the season, even though I'd rather leave McGruder out there, or anyone that can shoot and help spread the floor.

That you for asking what I'd like, because Spo never does.

I've no issue with Winslow starting, as long as he can shoot as well as McGruder. I suspect that will take time.

Winslow is a consistent jump shot from that guaranteed starting spot (and 20-7-5). I'm not optimistic about that jumper. The mechanics are all wrong. Not sure how much more it can change.

Post #23 » by **KingDavid** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:48 pm

RJM wrote:
gom wrote:
contract wrote:Waiters is the shooting guard until he does something to lose the job. I think Winslow starts at SF to start the season, even though I'd rather leave McGruder out there, or anyone that can shoot and help spread the floor.

That you for asking what I'd like, because Spo never does.

I've no issue with Winslow starting, as long as he can shoot as well as McGruder. I suspect that will take time.

Winslow is a consistent jump shot from that guaranteed starting spot (and 20-7-5). I'm not optimistic about that jumper. The mechanics are all wrong. Not sure how much more it can change.

Justise would be Kawhi pt2 if he had a consistent jumpshot. But he was just cleared a couple of weeks ago from his form labrum on his right arm. So I don't know if he's even fixed his shot. When D12 had that injury and tried to play through it, he said there were some nights where he couldn't lift his hands above his shoulders.

I'm not optimistic either.

contract · Post #24 » by **contract** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:58 pm

RJM wrote:
gom wrote:
contract wrote:Waiters is the shooting guard until he does something to lose the job. I think Winslow starts at SF to start the season, even though I'd rather leave McGruder out there, or anyone that can shoot and help spread the floor.

That you for asking what I'd like, because Spo never does.

I've no issue with Winslow starting, as long as he can shoot as well as McGruder. I suspect that will take time.

Winslow is a consistent jump shot from that guaranteed starting spot (and 20-7-5). I'm not optimistic about that jumper. The mechanics are all wrong. Not sure how much more it can change.

Winslow is miles away from averaging 20 points a game, even as the primary scorer on a bad team.

M ... I ... L ... E ... S

He's inefficient from pretty much every spot on the floor.

contract · Post #25 » by **contract** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:12 pm

Mars wrote:
Who to start at SG/SF?

More important is who finishes.

Finishing is generally less stressful if you don't have to claw your way back from an early deficit.

Mars · Post #26 » by **Mars** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:13 pm

contract wrote:
Mars wrote:
Who to start at SG/SF?

More important is who finishes.

Finishing is generally less stressful if you don't have to claw your way back from an early deficit.

Digging your way back from early deficits generally happens when teams have thin rosters with holes in the starting lineup. This team isn't thin... especially on the wings.

Hoops23 · Post #27 » by **Hoops23** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:13 am

PG = Dragic
SG = Waiters
SF = J Rich
PF = JJ
C = Hassan

While Winslow is a very good defender, his range is limited. A poor shooter. Check out the stats and the Heat's record when he was out with injuries last year.

JJ is the ideal PF. You can make a case that he and Tyler were good coming of the bench last season, but my concern is if Olynyk fits well beside Hassan plus if he can defend faster PF. If ever Olynyk start, I dont see him with Hassan playing a lot of minutes together.

Post #28 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:58 pm

Hoops23 wrote:PG = Dragic
SG = Waiters
SF = J Rich
PF = JJ
C = Hassan

While Winslow is a very good defender, his range is limited. A poor shooter. Check out the stats and the Heat's record when he was out with injuries last year.

JJ is the ideal PF. You can make a case that he and Tyler were good coming of the bench last season, but my concern is if Olynyk fits well beside Hassan plus if he can defend faster PF. If ever Olynyk start, I dont see him with Hassan playing a lot of minutes together.

I like this starting lineup. Would rather have Winslow coming in with the second unit as the point forward surrounded by shooters.

2nd Unit
C Kelly Olynyk
PF Bam Adebayo-PF James Johnson
SF Justise Winslow
SG Wayne Ellington
PG Tyler Johnson

RexBoyWonder · Post #29 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:48 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Hoops23 wrote:PG = Dragic
SG = Waiters
SF = J Rich
PF = JJ
C = Hassan

While Winslow is a very good defender, his range is limited. A poor shooter. Check out the stats and the Heat's record when he was out with injuries last year.

JJ is the ideal PF. You can make a case that he and Tyler were good coming of the bench last season, but my concern is if Olynyk fits well beside Hassan plus if he can defend faster PF. If ever Olynyk start, I dont see him with Hassan playing a lot of minutes together.

I like this starting lineup. Would rather have Winslow coming in with the second unit as the point forward surrounded by shooters.

2nd Unit
C Kelly Olynyk
PF Bam Adebayo-PF James Johnson
SF Justise Winslow
SG Wayne Ellington
PG Tyler Johnson

Not enough creating in the second unit, one of Dragic/Waiters/JJ and preferably 2 of them should be on the court at all time IMO.

Post #30 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:08 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Hoops23 wrote:PG = Dragic
SG = Waiters
SF = J Rich
PF = JJ
C = Hassan

While Winslow is a very good defender, his range is limited. A poor shooter. Check out the stats and the Heat's record when he was out with injuries last year.

JJ is the ideal PF. You can make a case that he and Tyler were good coming of the bench last season, but my concern is if Olynyk fits well beside Hassan plus if he can defend faster PF. If ever Olynyk start, I dont see him with Hassan playing a lot of minutes together.

I like this starting lineup. Would rather have Winslow coming in with the second unit as the point forward surrounded by shooters.

2nd Unit
C Kelly Olynyk
PF Bam Adebayo-PF James Johnson
SF Justise Winslow
SG Wayne Ellington
PG Tyler Johnson

Not enough creating in the second unit, one of Dragic/Waiters/JJ and preferably 2 of them should be on the court at all time IMO.

Oh yeah. Totally agree. Spo will have to space out the substitutions.

ndnow · Post #31 » by **ndnow** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:46 am

McGruder is clearly the starting SF, our team's success when he starts is hard to argue against.

ndnow · Post #32 » by **ndnow** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:47 am

contract wrote:
RJM wrote:
gom wrote:
I've no issue with Winslow starting, as long as he can shoot as well as McGruder. I suspect that will take time.

Winslow is a consistent jump shot from that guaranteed starting spot (and 20-7-5). I'm not optimistic about that jumper. The mechanics are all wrong. Not sure how much more it can change.

Winslow is miles away from averaging 20 points a game, even as the primary scorer on a bad team.

M ... I ... L ... E ... S

He's inefficient from pretty much every spot on the floor.

The problem we were having with him starting last year was that teams were lagging 5+ft on him begging him to shoot. This caused the lanes to clog and our guys had no room to drive and kick which was our teams main success on offense.

Bishop45 · Post #33 » by **Bishop45** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:09 am

Winslow was injured, sample sz is baseless. In the 18 games he played he ranked in the 32nd percentile defensively (Compared to the 81st percentile defense the year before), he was worse than Devin Booker. Clear-ly wasn't himself

With winstreak our win percentage w/o Winslow wasn't eeb'm at .500, neither McGruder or Rich are better than Winslow and I'm in the thinking that he should get the opportunity to lose his starting spot while healthy. The team that was gaining chemistry during preseason and the first few games of the year is the same winstreak team, just started on the wrong foot.

Waiters isn't a scorer, most of his value is as a 3 & D secondary ballhandler, he could use some Winslow and unless you have selfish high usage players, any team could always use more ballhandlers.

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Post #34 » by **LEIF** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:03 pm

Riley stated to Barry and others that James Johnson was retained to be the starting PF. So I would pencil Dragic, Waiters, JJ & Hassan as 4 of the 5. I think Winslow will be given every opportunity to claim the starting spot but they may find that JRich or even McGruder fit better with that starting unit for spacing purposes. Let Winslow be a playmaker with the 2nd unit (similar to what JJ did with the bench unit last year). Just my 2 pennies....

DBurks2818 · Post #35 » by **DBurks2818** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:14 pm

LEIF wrote:Riley stated to Barry and others that James Johnson was retained to be the starting PF. So I would pencil Dragic, Waiters, JJ & Hassan as 4 of the 5. I think Winslow will be given every opportunity to claim the starting spot but they may find that JRich or even McGruder fit better with that starting unit for spacing purposes. Let Winslow be a playmaker with the 2nd unit (similar to what JJ did with the bench unit last year). Just my 2 pennies....

I could see this happening. And then in year 4 Justise is ready to take the starting SF spot.

smartcane · Post #36 » by **smartcane** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:48 pm

Starting five

PG: Dragic
SG: Waiters
SF: JJ
PF: Onlynk
C: Whiteside

This line up gives us great length, three point shooting and defense while allowing us to bring in TJ,Richardson, Winslow and Bam without having too much of a Drop off. Ellington, McGuber and White should be good insurance policies for the second unit. Also doing it this way allows the young guys to have some freedom in the 2nd unit to develop their skills.

leoshes · Post #37 » by **leoshes** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:26 am

Our best winning % came when we had Whiteside, JJ, Dion, & Dragic on the floor playing together. Those 4 need to start, with a good 3, & D player next to him. Someone like JRich, or McGruger.

dean456 · Post #38 » by **dean456** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:32 am

I agree with some others here I think one of Winslow or JJ need to come off the bench. Because I'm not confident in a TJ as a primary ball handler to lead the 2nd unit option.

If we have something like,
Starters:
Dragic
Waiters
Winslow
Olynyk
Whiteside

2nd Unit:
TJ
JRich
Ellington
JJ
Bam

End of game lineup:
Dragic/TJ (situational)
Waiters
Winslow/Ellington (situational)
JJ
Whiteside

RJM · Post #39 » by **RJM** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:57 am

A combination of TJ and J-Rich in the backcourt (with JJ in the frontcourt) should be enough to handle ballhandling duties in that second unit. Keep in mind, it's not a Calipari-esque five-for-five substitution scheme. It's fine. Granted, I'd love a reliable veteran PG off the bench (every team should have one) to stabilize things, but this can work.

HeatIn5 · Post #40 » by **HeatIn5** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:32 am

Dragic/TJ or Rich
Waiters/Ellington or Rich
McGruder/ Winslow or Rich/Okaro
JJ/Bam/Okaro
Whiteside/Olynyk

I think this looks like our most likely scenario