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Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:18 pm**

So I thought I'd start a trade thread, and see whether or not it took. At the moment trades are being posted in the offseason thread if their tank moves, or the regular season thread if they're reshuffles or improvements. This gives a landing place for all of the different trades, and a thread for outsiders to drop their Heat-involved trades suggestions.

In the spirit of this I will start with a combination of two articles I've read this morning:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2745895-deandre-jordan-trade-rumors-cavs-would-consider-offer-for-tristan-thompson
http://sircharlesincharge.com/2017/11/24/nba-trade-rumors-denver-nuggets-goran-dragic/?utm_source=bleacherreport&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=bleacherreport

My response is a three way trade that involves a kick-start to the rebuild movement:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=y8gzld7k
Nuggets:
Mudiay/Faried/First(with protection) for Dragic/Hammons
They get an offensive upgrade, and someone to carry more scoring load in Millsap's absence. When he returns they're in a position to make a stronger push in the PO. The cost is a contract they want to rid themselves of, the lesser of their PG prospects and a first that will likely be late teens.

Cavs:
Thompson/Osman/Nets first for Whiteside
They get a massive upgrade in the C depth, allowing Love to move back to his natural PF, and form a distinct style and roster shape that will offer a contrast to the Warriors. If Bron does leave they still have a PO calibre core of IT/Crowder/Love/Whiteside to build with.

Heat:
Whiteside/Dragic/Hammons for Thompson/Faried/Mudiay/Osman/Nets first/Nuggets first
Heat embrace the fact that their roster isn't built right, and get good value for their two biggest trade chips. They can get great looks at Mudiay, Bam and Osman, while being able to rebuild the value of TT. Fairies is a hard worker, and will fit the Heat bench culture. We get a top-10 pick in the Nets, and likely late teens pick from the Nuggets, meaning we can reload in this draft, before we have to give away a pick to the Suns. White will need to be waived, or sent Cavs in a concurrent trade for the Felder TPE.

I'm would follow this up with trading a TT with rebuilt value to the Bucks for Parker/Delly and try to get Maker as well. If it costs adding Ellington so be it, as pick up another asset in the process.

Final Roster
Mudiay/Delly
Waiters/TJ/McGruder
Richardson/Winslow/Osman
Parker/JJ/Faried
KO/Bam/Maker/UD

Still no stars, but a lot more youth, and depth. We would have the Nets and Nuggets picks, plus our own if we decide to play mostly youth, or we give the Suns a pick this year and have ours next year. This roster is still good enough to compete for the 8th position, especially if more than one of Indy, Philly and New York show any wobbles. The Bucks will overtake them and force one out, but there's no guarantees for any of them.

Edit: changed the word "rumours" to "articles" so that people who go looking for a single word to get fixated on, rather than the core concept of the post itself, have one less thing to get off-topic about.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:28 pm**

Come on man. This is ridiculous. That Denver thing isn't a rumor. It's some arse blowing hot air. Jeezum Crow.

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:38 pm**

SpoSucks wrote:Come on man. This is ridiculous. That Denver thing isn't a rumor. It's some arse blowing hot air. Jeezum Crow.

Okay, so not rumour, maybe article is a better word. But a similar trade was mentioned on the T&T board with Murray, and Nuggs fans shot it down, but it never got revisited with Mudiay for some reason.

So then qualify what it ridiculous, is something out of whack value wise? Too big, with too many moving pieces?

I know it's not a normal Riley play, but at some point something has to give with this roster, either in this direction or in a consolidation direction if a star becomes available.

Edit: no clue what "Jeezum Crow" means - insult? typo? obscure reference?

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:31 am**

puppa bear wrote:
SpoSucks wrote:Come on man. This is ridiculous. That Denver thing isn't a rumor. It's some arse blowing hot air. Jeezum Crow.

Okay, so not rumour, maybe article is a better word. But a similar trade was mentioned on the T&T board with Murray, and Nuggs fans shot it down, but it never got revisited with Mudiay for some reason.

So then qualify what it ridiculous, is something out of whack value wise? Too big, with too many moving pieces?

I know it's not a normal Riley play, but at some point something has to give with this roster, either in this direction or in a consolidation direction if a star becomes available.

Edit: no clue what "Jeezum Crow" means - insult? typo? obscure reference?

What in the world makes you think that 17 games is a point where something has to give? If GM's acted with the impetuousness of fans, rosters in the NBA wold turn over about every year and a half. It just doesn't work that way. Riley committed to a plan this past offseason. If they were 0-17 then blow it up. They're not even close. Shooting like crap and Spo is being Spo with this line-up confusion. You're not going to hear any talk about trades for a long while. JC is not an insult. Exasperation at this early trade talk. Not obscure where I'm from.

As to the trade, you give up the best two players and get almost nothing. Do really think any GM would seriously consider this? The trade machine has Miami losing 16 wins!

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:09 am**

SpoSucks wrote:
puppa bear wrote:
SpoSucks wrote:Come on man. This is ridiculous. That Denver thing isn't a rumor. It's some arse blowing hot air. Jeezum Crow.

Okay, so not rumour, maybe article is a better word. But a similar trade was mentioned on the T&T board with Murray, and Nuggs fans shot it down, but it never got revisited with Mudiay for some reason.

So then qualify what it ridiculous, is something out of whack value wise? Too big, with too many moving pieces?

I know it's not a normal Riley play, but at some point something has to give with this roster, either in this direction or in a consolidation direction if a star becomes available.

Edit: no clue what "Jeezum Crow" means - insult? typo? obscure reference?

What in the world makes you think that 17 games is a point where something has to give? If GM's acted with the impetuousness of fans, rosters in the NBA wold turn over about every year and a half. It just doesn't work that way. Riley committed to a plan this past offseason. If they were 0-17 then blow it up. They're not even close. Shooting like crap and Spo is being Spo with this line-up confusion. You're not going to hear any talk about trades for a long while. JC is not an insult. Exasperation at this early trade talk. Not obscure where I'm from.

As to the trade, you give up the best two players and get almost nothing. Do really think any GM would seriously consider this? The trade machine has Miami losing 16 wins!

No worries, all entitled to our thought and opinions, and always happy to chat when it stays respectful of that.

I didn't like the team that was assembled, when it was assembled. So for me I've just been waiting for my thoughts to be confirmed: the second half last year was an aberration, not the normal. This is not as bad as "OMG, we're re worst in the league, blow it up now", but it's bringing to light the real deficiencies of the squad (and of the coach as well). Spo's probably cost 2 wins so far, but crappy shooting may have cost another 1-2 (maybe 1-2 of those loses overlap, who knows). So, yeah we could be 12-5 coming into this game, but we also could have been 5-12 pretty easily to.

In my personal opinion we waiting too long last year, and just as the FO was finally about to be convinced we had that streak. We could have started a 2-year tank-build and been back into PO hunt next year, but working with a couple picks each year from wise trades during the season and offseason. Instead we're stuck treadmilling on the PO bubble (currently at the bottom, hopefully working up), for at least the next 2-3 years. Our only real hope of getting better in this period is if we get a star wanting to come here via trade, or internal development exceeds expectation (but with Bam playing nothing and Winslow being used if 15 different ways, it's unlikely we get them developing into the second coming of Kawhi and STAT). I'm happy to support the team through a tank-build, if that's the way the FO goes. I know others aren't, but that's them.

I honestly think a GM looking to tank-build would consider this, perhaps not Riley, but that's because he doesn't do things that way. We get Parker who has a PER of 0 because he hasn't played, just like Osman. TT has barely played, and been relegated to backing up Love because of having Bron and Crowder play so much PF, pushing more of Love's minutes to he 5. Then he got injured and hasn't come back. Delly has never been a PER darling, but is a tough player who would embrace the Heat mentality. The Mudiay is backing up Murray, and Maker gets scraps with no significant role. I honestly don't honk we would be as bad as the Trade Machine would make us out to be, but if we do, then we get a top-5 pick! Add the two first rounders we'd be getting and if the balls fall right we can possibly add two top-5 players in this draft.

GMs do act this impetuously, but more often at the behest of impetuous owners. We are lucky that we have an owner who is more moderate.

As for Jeezum Crow, never heard that. In Australia we just say "Jesus **** Christ" - we're a bit like that!

My trade is simply an ice breaker, and I'd love for those who don't want to tank, but instead want to build from here propose their own trades.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:21 am**

puppa bear wrote:
SpoSucks wrote:
puppa bear wrote:Okay, so not rumour, maybe article is a better word. But a similar trade was mentioned on the T&T board with Murray, and Nuggs fans shot it down, but it never got revisited with Mudiay for some reason.

So then qualify what it ridiculous, is something out of whack value wise? Too big, with too many moving pieces?

I know it's not a normal Riley play, but at some point something has to give with this roster, either in this direction or in a consolidation direction if a star becomes available.

Edit: no clue what "Jeezum Crow" means - insult? typo? obscure reference?

What in the world makes you think that 17 games is a point where something has to give? If GM's acted with the impetuousness of fans, rosters in the NBA wold turn over about every year and a half. It just doesn't work that way. Riley committed to a plan this past offseason. If they were 0-17 then blow it up. They're not even close. Shooting like crap and Spo is being Spo with this line-up confusion. You're not going to hear any talk about trades for a long while. JC is not an insult. Exasperation at this early trade talk. Not obscure where I'm from.

As to the trade, you give up the best two players and get almost nothing. Do really think any GM would seriously consider this? The trade machine has Miami losing 16 wins!

No worries, all entitled to our thought and opinions, and always happy to chat when it stays respectful of that.

I didn't like the team that was assembled, when it was assembled. So for me I've just been waiting for my thoughts to be confirmed: the second half last year was an aberration, not the normal. This is not as bad as "OMG, we're re worst in the league, blow it up now", but it's bringing to light the real deficiencies of the squad (and of the coach as well). Spo's probably cost 2 wins so far, but crappy shooting may have cost another 1-2 (maybe 1-2 of those loses overlap, who knows). So, yeah we could be 12-5 coming into this game, but we also could have been 5-12 pretty easily to.

In my personal opinion we waiting too long last year, and just as the FO was finally about to be convinced we had that streak. We could have started a 2-year tank-build and been back into PO hunt next year, but working with a couple picks each year from wise trades during the season and offseason. Instead we're stuck treadmilling on the PO bubble (currently at the bottom, hopefully working up), for at least the next 2-3 years. Our only real hope of getting better in this period is if we get a star wanting to come here via trade, or internal development exceeds expectation (but with Bam playing nothing and Winslow being used if 15 different ways, it's unlikely we get them developing into the second coming of Kawhi and STAT). I'm happy to support the team through a tank-build, if that's the way the FO goes. I know others aren't, but that's them.

I honestly think a GM looking to tank-build would consider this, perhaps not Riley, but that's because he doesn't do things that way. We get Parker who has a PER of 0 because he hasn't played, just like Osman. TT has barely played, and been relegated to backing up Love because of having Bron and Crowder play so much PF, pushing more of Love's minutes to he 5. Then he got injured and hasn't come back. Delly has never been a PER darling, but is a tough player who would embrace the Heat mentality. The Mudiay is backing up Murray, and Maker gets scraps with no significant role. I honestly don't honk we would be as bad as the Trade Machine would make us out to be, but if we do, then we get a top-5 pick! Add the two first rounders we'd be getting and if the balls fall right we can possibly add two top-5 players in this draft.

GMs do act this impetuously, but more often at the behest of impetuous owners. We are lucky that we have an owner who is more moderate.

As for Jeezum Crow, never heard that. In Australia we just say "Jesus **** Christ" - we're a bit like that!

My trade is simply an ice breaker, and I'd love for those who don't want to tank, but instead want to build from here propose their own trades.

Missed the game tonight, eh? Isn't it Saturday AM mate?

Close this thread!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:47 am**

SpoSucks wrote:
puppa bear wrote:
SpoSucks wrote:
What in the world makes you think that 17 games is a point where something has to give? If GM's acted with the impetuousness of fans, rosters in the NBA wold turn over about every year and a half. It just doesn't work that way. Riley committed to a plan this past offseason. If they were 0-17 then blow it up. They're not even close. Shooting like crap and Spo is being Spo with this line-up confusion. You're not going to hear any talk about trades for a long while. JC is not an insult. Exasperation at this early trade talk. Not obscure where I'm from.

As to the trade, you give up the best two players and get almost nothing. Do really think any GM would seriously consider this? The trade machine has Miami losing 16 wins!

No worries, all entitled to our thought and opinions, and always happy to chat when it stays respectful of that.

I didn't like the team that was assembled, when it was assembled. So for me I've just been waiting for my thoughts to be confirmed: the second half last year was an aberration, not the normal. This is not as bad as "OMG, we're re worst in the league, blow it up now", but it's bringing to light the real deficiencies of the squad (and of the coach as well). Spo's probably cost 2 wins so far, but crappy shooting may have cost another 1-2 (maybe 1-2 of those loses overlap, who knows). So, yeah we could be 12-5 coming into this game, but we also could have been 5-12 pretty easily to.

In my personal opinion we waiting too long last year, and just as the FO was finally about to be convinced we had that streak. We could have started a 2-year tank-build and been back into PO hunt next year, but working with a couple picks each year from wise trades during the season and offseason. Instead we're stuck treadmilling on the PO bubble (currently at the bottom, hopefully working up), for at least the next 2-3 years. Our only real hope of getting better in this period is if we get a star wanting to come here via trade, or internal development exceeds expectation (but with Bam playing nothing and Winslow being used if 15 different ways, it's unlikely we get them developing into the second coming of Kawhi and STAT). I'm happy to support the team through a tank-build, if that's the way the FO goes. I know others aren't, but that's them.

I honestly think a GM looking to tank-build would consider this, perhaps not Riley, but that's because he doesn't do things that way. We get Parker who has a PER of 0 because he hasn't played, just like Osman. TT has barely played, and been relegated to backing up Love because of having Bron and Crowder play so much PF, pushing more of Love's minutes to he 5. Then he got injured and hasn't come back. Delly has never been a PER darling, but is a tough player who would embrace the Heat mentality. The Mudiay is backing up Murray, and Maker gets scraps with no significant role. I honestly don't honk we would be as bad as the Trade Machine would make us out to be, but if we do, then we get a top-5 pick! Add the two first rounders we'd be getting and if the balls fall right we can possibly add two top-5 players in this draft.

GMs do act this impetuously, but more often at the behest of impetuous owners. We are lucky that we have an owner who is more moderate.

As for Jeezum Crow, never heard that. In Australia we just say "Jesus **** Christ" - we're a bit like that!

My trade is simply an ice breaker, and I'd love for those who don't want to tank, but instead want to build from here propose their own trades.

Missed the game tonight, eh? Isn't it Saturday AM mate?

Close this thread!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, living life in the Sun, working in the spacious backyard us Aussie's have, and about to take a dip in the pool. Saw the scores and it's a great result - I'm happy for this to keep happening.

If he mods want to close the thread then it's their call - not yours. If you don't like a topic then don't read it. Stop replying. It's actually that easy!

I started this as a place for all trade ideas to go. Do you think our team is perfect? If not, how can it be improved? Post a trade suggestion, it will add to the variety of the thread with a buyer trade, instead of a seller trade.

Oh, and from the words of one of my favourite authors, Terry Pratchett:
"'Multiple exclamation marks,' he went on, shaking his head, 'are a sure sign of a diseased mind.'" -- Eric
"Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind." -- Reaper Man
"'And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head.'" -- Maskerade

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:16 pm**

Like your proposal, puppa. Slot us at one once we strip the roster down. So 1st pick, 6th pick, 15th pick. Who you drafting?

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:48 pm**

We don't tank, but if we did, I'd rather wait a year and tank next season when we control our pick. Not sure what the hurry is anyhow.

My measure of success this season is handing the Suns pick #21. We're at #13 now, at 9-9. 11-8 is #21.

We're not getting far in the postseason, but we don't have to blow it up. Why watch a crap team play? As for the value you're returning, that huge TT contract is an enormous negative. Mudiay hasn't shown anything more than Josh Richardson or Tyler Johnson. And Cedi Osman is just an unproven prospect. You guys constantly see sparkles in players of other teams and not the value of your own players.

I like the BRK pick. I've even put a similar trade up, but not returning TT. If we give up Whiteside, it better be for a couple good picks. Hassan is a special player.

MIA OUT/ CLE IN: Hassan Whiteside, Tyler Johnson, Okaro White
MIA IN/CLE OUT: Shumpert (one extra season), Frye (expiring), Crowder (two extra seasons, good value), 2018-FRP-BRK (via BOS), 2021-FRP-CLE (1-10 protected in 2021, unprotected in 2022)

Dragic and Frye teamed up well in Phoenix.
We get out of the TJ contract explosion.
It might be a good way for Cleveland to amp their season.
Wade lobbing to Whiteside will make both players happy.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8mgq46l

Gets us out of TJ's contract, returns Crowder and 2 picks. I don't really care if Cavs fans think it's too expensive. That's how much Whiteside is worth to us. Also, Frye's best season was with Dragic in Phoenix, and Shumpert is a useful wing.

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:06 pm**

I'm not expecting any trades till next season, tbh. But I'm looking forward for your crazy trade-machine proposals :wizard:

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:08 pm**

gom wrote:We don't tank, but if we did, I'd rather wait a year and tank next season when we control our pick. Not sure what the hurry is anyhow.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:42 am**

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Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 5:06 am**

DayofMourning wrote:Like your proposal, puppa. Slot us at one once we strip the roster down. So 1st pick, 6th pick, 15th pick. Who you drafting?

Thanks, it does turn it into a 1-year mega tank, and getting 1/6/15 with Parker & Osman would be a pretty big rebuild year. I would take
1st - Ayton (Doncic)
At this point Ayton's the best, and we need to just take he best player. From the 1/6 we want to end up with a post and a wing, and taking a the best player first is the smart move than trying to manufacture the right combo - other teams are drafting in our best interest!
I've Doncic as the second option there, because he is great & having him slot in on the wing would be super. If we feel comfortable enough with triple-J, or secure that comfortable that Bamba will be pushed out of the top-5, then he's a viable option. Otherwise, I think it's got to be Ayton at this point.

6th - Porter (Mikal Bridges)
I think Porter will not go top-5, and that triple-J and possible someone else (Sexton as the only legit point maybe) will overtake him as well as Bagley, and Bamba. We will have a top pick already, and will be able to take a little bit of a gamble - one that teams with only 1 top-5 pick and players like Bagley, Bamba, triple-J & Sexton available and healthy worn want to take.
If he is gone, I have us taking Bridges then. Knox & Miles are too similar to Parker, while Sexton is possibly too high at this point (due to the dearth or PGs), and we would have just draft Ayton.
If we take Doncic then it's taking the best left of Bagley, Bamba and triple-J (that's my order at the moment, but the last two are close & dependent on Bam's progress).

15th - Walker/Troy Brown/Trent Jnr
This is hard at this point, and assuming I get my first choices we have a future starting unit of Mudiay/Waiters/Porter/Parker/Ayton, with TJ/JR/Winslow/JJ/KO/Bam as the core bench parts. Waiters and JJ are the pieces that don't fit, by age, so they're the two pieces that may need attention, and the PG situation is very thin. At this point Duval is the consensus #2 pure point, but I wouldn't take him with what he's shown so far - is want that shot to show some improvement (but if it does he's probably going 12-14). Someone like Young or Peters could come over the top of him, but either way, I think PG should be solved at another time. So I've gone with a SG. I have no real rhyme or reason, but I've just listed three, of which at least 1 will be available, maybe more, and I would select in that order.

Mos_Heat wrote:
gom wrote:We don't tank, but if we did, I'd rather wait a year and tank next season when we control our pick. Not sure what the hurry is anyhow.

Yeah, next season is probably a better time to tank, just like last was better for a 2-year tank as well. His is all about the fun of either tanking or building, so I'll just keep embracing the fun of both fantasy paths.

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Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:22 am**

gom wrote:My measure of success this season is handing the Suns pick #21. We're at #13 now, at 9-9. 11-8 is #21.

We're not getting far in the postseason, but we don't have to blow it up. Why watch a crap team play? As for the value you're returning, that huge TT contract is an enormous negative. Mudiay hasn't shown anything more than Josh Richardson or Tyler Johnson. And Cedi Osman is just an unproven prospect. You guys constantly see sparkles in players of other teams and not the value of your own players.

I like the BRK pick. I've even put a similar trade up, but not returning TT. If we give up Whiteside, it better be for a couple good picks. Hassan is a special player.

MIA OUT/ CLE IN: Hassan Whiteside, Tyler Johnson, Okaro White
MIA IN/CLE OUT: Shumpert (one extra season), Frye (expiring), Crowder (two extra seasons, good value), 2018-FRP-BRK (via BOS), 2021-FRP-CLE (1-10 protected in 2021, unprotected in 2022)

Dragic and Frye teamed up well in Phoenix.
We get out of the TJ contract explosion.
It might be a good way for Cleveland to amp their season.
Wade lobbing to Whiteside will make both players happy.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8mgq46l

Gets us out of TJ's contract, returns Crowder and 2 picks. I don't really care if Cavs fans think it's too expensive. That's how much Whiteside is worth to us. Also, Frye's best season was with Dragic in Phoenix, and Shumpert is a useful wing.

For the record, I think TT is an overrated garbage-man. But, in this league it's about who you know as much as how good you are. I have us netting the Nets pick, Parker, Maker and Osman as assets, with Delly as the salary filler. Mudiay has started to show something, but Murray has shown more, quicker, so he'll get the chance to trip and fail, while Mudiay won't.

As for your trade, it's good value for both teams, and helps with the direction of both teams. I'm not sure they will want to give up Crowder though, as he's their SF if Bron leaves next year (they seem to be setting up for that and having a PO team if he leaves, without SF/PF depth issues. So, his inclusion might be the stumbling block.

For us I like that we can still run and gun for a PO place, while getting a top-10 pick this year. If we decide to tank in the off-season then we do so with no draft picks owing. How does our cap space look after this? Will we have any, either this offseason, or next?

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:51 am**

puppa bear wrote:
gom wrote:My measure of success this season is handing the Suns pick #21. We're at #13 now, at 9-9. 11-8 is #21.

We're not getting far in the postseason, but we don't have to blow it up. Why watch a crap team play? As for the value you're returning, that huge TT contract is an enormous negative. Mudiay hasn't shown anything more than Josh Richardson or Tyler Johnson. And Cedi Osman is just an unproven prospect. You guys constantly see sparkles in players of other teams and not the value of your own players.

I like the BRK pick. I've even put a similar trade up, but not returning TT. If we give up Whiteside, it better be for a couple good picks. Hassan is a special player.

MIA OUT/ CLE IN: Hassan Whiteside, Tyler Johnson, Okaro White
MIA IN/CLE OUT: Shumpert (one extra season), Frye (expiring), Crowder (two extra seasons, good value), 2018-FRP-BRK (via BOS), 2021-FRP-CLE (1-10 protected in 2021, unprotected in 2022)

Dragic and Frye teamed up well in Phoenix.
We get out of the TJ contract explosion.
It might be a good way for Cleveland to amp their season.
Wade lobbing to Whiteside will make both players happy.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8mgq46l

Gets us out of TJ's contract, returns Crowder and 2 picks. I don't really care if Cavs fans think it's too expensive. That's how much Whiteside is worth to us. Also, Frye's best season was with Dragic in Phoenix, and Shumpert is a useful wing.

For the record, I think TT is an overrated garbage-man. But, in this league it's about who you know as much as how good you are. I have us netting the Nets pick, Parker, Maker and Osman as assets, with Delly as the salary filler. Mudiay has started to show something, but Murray has shown more, quicker, so he'll get the chance to trip and fail, while Mudiay won't.

As for your trade, it's good value for both teams, and helps with the direction of both teams. I'm not sure they will want to give up Crowder though, as he's their SF if Bron leaves next year (they seem to be setting up for that and having a PO team if he leaves, without SF/PF depth issues. So, his inclusion might be the stumbling block.

For us I like that we can still run and gun for a PO place, while getting a top-10 pick this year. If we decide to tank in the off-season then we do so with no draft picks owing. How does our cap space look after this? Will we have any, either this offseason, or next?

Unless we do a deal, puppa bear, we have TJ's salary jumping to $19M, Richardson to $11M, and then (after next season) having Justise Winslow and McGruder (both with bird rights) to resign, it doesn't look very good for our cap space. It's possible that we offer TJ an extension, something like 3/36, for the last year of his contract, which will net him $17M more and keep our cap space under control.

I don't care much about Crowder, to be honest. His skills are redundant with Winslow's. I just wanted a tradeable asset.

Also, I think if Cleveland invests in Whiteside, Lebron may be reluctant to leave Cleveland. They'd have one helluva line up: IT, Wade, Lebron, Kevin Love, Whiteside. Wade has lost a step for sure, but still... That's 5 allstars (once Whiteside is on CLE, he'll be an allstar.) That team crushes anyone in the East and likely takes GS or HOU right down to the wire. I also don't care much about the 2021 CLE pick. That's just another tradeable resource.

Also, I just want to add my favorite draft picks are Bagley and Bamba. Love those guys. :-)

If we somehow could keep Whiteside and make Bamba his understudy, I can't imagine what he would become.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:13 am**

Do you guys think there is any chance Justise Winslow is moved??

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:44 am**

youngthegiant wrote:Do you guys think there is any chance Justise Winslow is moved??

Our FO is very invested in Winslow, but I can see them moving Winslow plus another large contract for an all-star. Otherwise, there is really no point. We like him. We see his potential. He's a good young player whose value will only get better, as long as he keeps making progress. As fans, none of us are happy with what he's done so far, but the FO has been very supportive. They're starting him at SF to grow his game.

Remember, though, unless you are a winning, contending team in Miami, everyone is for sale. For Winslow, I think the price would be pretty high.

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:49 am**

youngthegiant wrote:Do you guys think there is any chance Justise Winslow is moved??

To Denver?

What would you give us in return?

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:57 am**

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thoughts :reporter:

Posted: **Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:11 am**

Mos_Heat wrote:viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1639154

thoughts

Middleton is a guy I think would fit here like a glove. He's a good catch and shoot, big wing. We can pare him both with justice and whiteside.

But I'm not sure what will we need to send out for him.

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