FUTURE OF HEAT : conclusions from season, ideas going forward **POLL**

[RexBoyWonder]

1.What are the positives you take from this 2017-2018 season?

2. What are the negatives?

3.What would you change going forward?

4.What's the best path for us to contend again?

5.Trade ideas?

[IggieCC]

off-season thread is up

[RexBoyWonder]

We have a poll up smh...that poor lady...

[Chalm Down]

off-season thread is up

Thank u for defending my thread's honor

[Bishop45]

Lmao, Rex in-the-midst-of-terror thread, nice.

Don't make same mistake with Dragic that's been made with Whiteside, trade while there's still value.

Trade Whiteside for late/future first from able team. I mean, I would take a future first from the Warriors if they could afford it.

Don't trade TJ before the aforementioned trades unless actual upside, nothing to lose. Midas whale try him in some new roles.

Re-sign Ellington for <10M and attempt to trade immediately, Ellington for Stanley Johnson trade would fill me up good.

Get some picks, better prospects.

Sack tf up my dudes, toothless Miami team went in a conservatively competitive series virtually without Whiteside and Dion and took a 6th seed above two vastly more talented teams

[Sgt P]

I think it is time for Pat Riley to step down.
If Zo & Spo are his succesors then the keys should be turned over now for the good of the organization.
It is obilouvous that Spo needs his type of players. In addition, are long term and short term goals are not aligned.
Miami Heat really needed to shuffle the deck now.

[contract]

1.What are the positives you take from this 2017-2018 season?

2. What are the negatives?

3.What would you change going forward?

4.What's the best path for us to contend again?

5.Trade ideas?

1. Honestly? Just Spo overachieving with this mess. I predicted more wins, but every key player slipped from their performance last season. Olynyk proved to be a nice pickup, but it's hard to get excited over a 11 ppg $11 million bench player.

2. Everything else? I'm still not sold on any of our young guys ever being better than Dragic or Whiteside, and clearly that's not good enough.

3. We need to give up the ghost and accept a year or two of not being competitive. And I don't mean sucking but chasing the 8th seed either. I mean veterans getting moved out of the way of young developing talent, and maybe being cleared out altogether. NOTHING can be allowed to interfere with our ability to add young talent through the draft and develop the young guys we already have to whatever level they are capable.

4. We have to start from scratch. I'm all for always playing hard, but it needs to be young guys playing hard. We're never going to get anywhere trying to add bandaid veterans that do nothing but hurt our draft position. Nor can we build around the hope of finding a sucker. That's not a plan.

[contract]

I think it is time for Pat Riley to step down.
If Zo & Spo are his succesors then the keys should be turned over now for the good of the organization.
It is obilouvous that Spo needs his type of players. In addition, are long term and short term goals are not aligned.
Miami Heat really needed to shuffle the deck now.

Zo? Nah. Zo was always more muscle than brains. He's fine in his current role.

[LordRiley]

Someone said Pat needs to step down, lol I'm out of this thread. Clueless

[contract]

Someone said Pat needs to step down, lol I'm out of this thread. Clueless

Why? He's 73 years old. He's already discussed being a part-timer and working out of the west coast. Because he's approaching the end, he's impatient. Short term thinking is rarely the key to long term success. He's made a habit of giving out long term 8 figures a year contracts to bench players just to keep us as a borderline playoff team.

You can't possibly think that this is a fruitful path we're on.

Eventually everyone has to go. Pat Riley will not be here when we win our next championship, unless he's in a figurehead role.

[eddieheatfan]

1.What are the positives you take from this 2017-2018 season?

the heat made it to the playoffs.

2. What are the negatives?

the heat got put of the first round,players complaining about playing time,players not stepping up when needed to,bad coaching and preparation for the games.poor free throw shooting and rebounding.aging player that still thinks he's a super star.jj regressing in to his toronto self. ellington disappearing in the playoffs....etc etc etc
3.What would you change going forward?

fire everyone except bam,dragic maybe ellington. bring back hungry players and coaches that wants to just win. spo and his entourage sucks nuts

4.What's the best path for us to contend again?

rebuild rebuild rebuild,gonna be painful but with the right coaches and players it can be done in 3-4 years

5.Trade ideas? nope.i think that kawhi either stays at santonio or goes to another contender probably boston or even sixers or cavs

[RexBoyWonder]

Team tank commander reporting for duty

I guess most posters are fed up with aiming for fake contending.

I adore Wade, I love Dragic, I like JJ, I'm over Whiteside - they all need to go.

Wade can stay as a mentor bench guy if he wants to, but it's time to pass the torch.

Justise/Rich/Bam/DJJ/any other prospect we can get should be the main focus next year. And if that means sucking - then we need to suck and get a high pick.

If we don't do it now, we'll just be force to do it in a couple of years - after getting bounced in the first round over and over.

[HIF]

Complete rebuild is the stupid suggestion that loser lorons make every year. That's just accepting to lose.

Just like last year we need to make a few changes get rid of Dion, Whiteside and Goran and go for a younger contender.

Re-sign Wade for another year.

[BaDaBo]

1.What are the positives you take from this 2017-2018 season?
Made the PO, JRich developed after a poor start, Winnie was good in the PO, Kelly was better than expected overall

2. What are the negatives?
Injuries to Hassan, Dion & Scavenger. Complete disinterest of Hassan in PO, feuding before that.

3.What would you change going forward?

1.Get an offensive assistant coach. The offense we ran this year was pure garbage IMO. I don't know what happened last years was so much better even when we were loosing.
2.Trade Hassan for the best package you can get. Not because I think we can't make it work with him but because I don't think he wants to make it work anymore.If that makes sense.
3. Shooting at the 4. We played JJ/Kelly/Bam/Winnie/Babbit at the 4 this year. The only decent shooter who got regular minutes at the 4 is kelly and he's too slow to be a 4 for long periods of time. Make JJ do nothing but shooting drills for the whole summer?
5. JRich & Winnie run the offense decently but when Dragic went out our offense took a nosedive. So I'd get a decent backup PG.


4.What's the best path for us to contend again?
For contending, either blow it up or wait for 2020/21 when most of our big contracts are up. Or strike lucky with a star in FA (sign & trade) or in bad terms with their current team.

5.Trade ideas?

I've posted a few in another thread but nothing realistic, other than Hassan for two of Henson/Snell/Delly with a 2.pick.

I think we need to move Hassan cuz bridges are being burnt atm and with his attitude I don't see them being rebuilt over the summer.

[HeatFanLifer]

1.What are the positives you take from this 2017-2018 season?

Winslow showed some signs of being a solid rotation player. Goran had a phenomenal season. KO proved to be a key signing. The team overcame injuries to stay competitive and beat teams based on pure hustle.

2. What are the negatives?

Spo could not figure out what to do with this team at the end of the day. There was a lot of change with injuries and roster additions, but he needed to find a way. Hopefully he learned. Other negatives included Whiteside completely checking out and JJ losing his brain on the court.

3.What would you change going forward?

Spo needs to learn how to adapt to change. It seems like he is in disbelief at times that his intricate plans are not unfolding the way he foresaw and he refuses to believe it. I would also rebuild an identity for this team. Players were clueless about their role as the season was winding down with pure hustle unable to win games on tired legs.

4.What's the best path for us to contend again?

Talent begets contention.

5.Trade ideas?

Hassan Whiteside for Jay Ajayi. In all seriousness, get him off the team.

[Flash4thewin]

Complete rebuild is the stupid suggestion that loser lorons make every year. That's just accepting to lose.

Just like last year we need to make a few changes get rid of Dion, Whiteside and Goran and go for a younger contender.

Re-sign Wade for another year.

HIF I don’t know how to tell you but getting rid of Dion, Whiteside, Dragic and heck let’s throw in JJ for good measures, that’s a complete rebuild.

We should be reminded that the roster Pat hand selected, no one put a gun to his head was basically swept by the 76ers. If it wasn’t for Wade having an epic game we are swept.

It’s time for a complete rebuild, a change in regime starting from the top all the way to the bottom. Sometimes to get better one needs to purge themselves from the past and embrace reality of where one really stands in respect to their goals...

[Mos_Heat]

1.What are the positives you take from this 2017-2018 season?
Rich's shooting, Winslow took a step forward, Bam is not a bust

2. What are the negatives?
Roster construction in general

3.What would you change going forward?
Full rebuild

4.What's the best path for us to contend again?
Full rebuild

5.Trade ideas?
Mahinmi + Smith + 15th pick for Whiteside

Baze + 19th pick for Dragic(if ATL lands Luka)

Al + Leaf +23rd pick for JJ

[Bishop45]

5.Trade ideas?
Mahinmi + Smith + 15th pick for Whiteside

Baze + 19th pick for Dragic(if ATL lands Luka)

Al + Leaf +23rd pick for JJ

Add Devin Robinson, substitute Baze for another filler and we're on the same page.

No space on this roster but a scenario that includes Stanley Johnson would be good too

[Wiltside]

1.What are the positives you take from this 2017-2018 season?

Richardson and Winslow both grew. If they're not dealt, will be important building blocks next year. Kelly Olynyk looks like one of our better value contracts - he was better than expected.

2. What are the negatives?

Dion and JJ mostly. Dion for not getting surgery when he should have, and JJ for not bringing it like he did in 2016/17. Hassan's injuries and subsequent meltdown also a negative.

3.What would you change going forward?

Where do we start. Team needs big changes, and I'm not sure how Riley does it. Needs to get in the conversation for some distressed property (e.g. Kawhi, Wall...) and somehow win the sweepstakes.

4.What's the best path for us to contend again?

Basically, see above. We either go all in on acquiring elite talent, or we go to the draft in 2019 with our own pick. If we can't land a superstar, i'd suggest trading Goran/Hassan et al and letting us see what we have in Rich, Winslow and Bam.

5.Trade ideas?

Goran + Richardson + Bam + ?? for Kawhi Leonard.

[RJM]

1.What are the positives you take from this 2017-2018 season?

2. What are the negatives?

3.What would you change going forward?

4.What's the best path for us to contend again?

5.Trade ideas?

1. Miami returned to the postseason. Richardson, Winslow, Adebayo, and some of the other guys were able to absorb some valuable postseason experience while progressing in their skills. Apparently Justise Winslow can hit threes now. Still skeptical, though.

2. Hassan Whiteside. No tangible future based on the players we have now. Dion Waiters. Capped-out for the next few years with a less-than-mediocre roster. No star on this team to feel confident in. Tyler Johnson's regression.

3. Dion Waiters and Hassan Whiteside shouldn't be on this roster. This much money shouldn't be invested in mediocrity. We need a star to build around. LeBron, AD, Kawhi, anyone.

4. A combination of draft picks and free agency. Trade what you can to get a Top 3 pick.

5. PIPE DREAM: A dream world involves Whiteside+Adebayo+2019 first for Tyson Chandler, Jared Dudley, and the #1 pick. Miami takes DeAndre Ayton and has a versatile star to build around for the next 15 years. Miami also establishes itself as a legitimate free agency player in the summer of 2019 to make up for no draft pick. Miami then flips Dion Waiters+Tyler Johnson to Dallas for Wesley Matthews and signs Shane Larkin as a backup PG due to his minutes vanishing next season with all their guards coming back.

PG: Goran Dragic - Shane Larkin - Derrick Walton Jr.
SG: Josh Richardson - Dwyane Wade - Rodney McGruder
SF: Justise Winslow - Wesley Matthews - Jared Dudley
PF: Kelly Olynyk - James Johnson - Jordan Mickey
C: DeAndre Ayton - Tyson Chandler - Udonis Haslem