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Whiteside expires in 2020 - when all other crappy Pistons expire. That’s good.

So.... Drummond for Whiteside and.....????????

What would you give up?

ByeByeDre wrote:Whiteside expires in 2020 - when all other crappy Pistons expire. That’s good.

So.... Drummond for Whiteside and.....????????

What would you give up?

Our aim will be to have cap space in 2020, so us trading Hassan for Dre puts a $28m dent in that - to the point that after resigning Justise (plus adding any rookies we draft between now and then), we'll likely not have any space without making extra moves. If the FO thinks 2021 is more desirable then so be it, but until then it looks like 2020 is our first targeted FA period.

I honestly don't know what you're looking for from us, so since you're the visiting poster, make an offer and we'll see whether or not it's acceptable.

puppa bear wrote:

ByeByeDre wrote:Whiteside expires in 2020 - when all other crappy Pistons expire. That’s good.

So.... Drummond for Whiteside and.....????????

What would you give up?

Our aim will be to have cap space in 2020, so us trading Hassan for Dre puts a $28m dent in that - to the point that after resigning Justise (plus adding any rookies we draft between now and then), we'll likely not have any space without making extra moves. If the FO thinks 2021 is more desirable then so be it, but until then it looks like 2020 is our first targeted FA period.

I honestly don't know what you're looking for from us, so since you're the visiting poster, make an offer and we'll see whether or not it's acceptable.

So you’d rather go two years on the treadmill? Pistons want picks, plain and simple.

ByeByeDre wrote:

puppa bear wrote:

ByeByeDre wrote:Whiteside expires in 2020 - when all other crappy Pistons expire. That’s good.

So.... Drummond for Whiteside and.....????????

What would you give up?

Our aim will be to have cap space in 2020, so us trading Hassan for Dre puts a $28m dent in that - to the point that after resigning Justise (plus adding any rookies we draft between now and then), we'll likely not have any space without making extra moves. If the FO thinks 2021 is more desirable then so be it, but until then it looks like 2020 is our first targeted FA period.

I honestly don't know what you're looking for from us, so since you're the visiting poster, make an offer and we'll see whether or not it's acceptable.

So you’d rather go two years on the treadmill? Pistons want picks, plain and simple.

Firstly, our treadmill includes making the PO this year as a 6th seed (with no Waiters and an injured Whiteside) - how's the Pistons treadmill going?

Secondly, why are you wanting to trade a player that you feel is a first better than Whiteside? If he's that much better, and on a better deal then keep him - but you want out of his extra year ... hmmm. So the shorter contract is more valuable to you then? But you also said "all the other crappy Pistons", implying Drummond is a crappy Piston. So maybe you don't actually see him as better, and just as a longer contract at the same position.

Thirdly, we can only trade our 2019 first as unprotected (as the 2021 is unprotected, and then our 2023 must be unprotected by 2025 (seven year rule).

So for me, I wouldn't add a first to that deal - I can't see anyone wanting to add an unprotected pick to a Whiteside-Drummond swap: the gap is not that big. Even if we could offer a protected pick, I'm not sure I'd want to waste an first on this type of deal. So, since you want to clear the extra year (which I don't think our FO wants either) why does there need to be an asset going out from us? If there absolutely must be (for your FO to save face) then you can have a second.

I personally would rather blow it up and go full rebuild for two years, but that's not happening with Riley at the helm - more likely he chases whales via trade. He'll be aiming for a player Spo will endorse as one he'll play, and likely at a position other than C - Bam & KO will have that covered.

Was hoping this had an article attached with it. At this point, I would be happy to see Hassan get traded for 50% off at papa johns.

If you want a McGruder, Ellington or DJJ then sure

Bishop45 wrote:If you want a McGruder, Ellington or DJJ then sure

I would probably make a Whiteside + future second round pick for Andre.

I think Drummond buys in here and plays hard, I think he's younger, quicker then Hassan, and that's big for us. While not a great passer, he's better then Hassan.

The main thing is I think Andre can play his role, (defend bigs + rebound + switch on D) and be fine with a smaller offensive role.

To me the future of the Center position is this - you're either big and fast enough to switch, make quick decisions, protect the rim
OR
You're skilled enough to pass, shot to be considered a big guard.

We already have Kelly as the second prototype.
Bam might be an hybrid
The hope Is Andre is the first prototype.

I'm hoping he's as a quick as I remember him.

Can Drummond shoot threes? Can he cover the perimeter? He's going to get paid big bucks and Spo will sit him in favor of KO just the same. No thanks!

Unless we change our coach or our coach changes his philosophy, no more big men.

RexBoyWonder wrote:I would probably make a Whiteside + future second round pick for Andre.

I think Drummond buys in here and plays hard, I think he's younger, quicker then Hassan, and that's big for us. While not a great passer, he's better then Hassan.

The main thing is I think Andre can play his role, (defend bigs + rebound + switch on D) and be fine with a smaller offensive role.

To me the future of the Center position is this - you're either big and fast enough to switch, make quick decisions, protect the rim
OR
You're skilled enough to pass, shot to be considered a big guard.

We already have Kelly as the second prototype.
Bam might be an hybrid
The hope Is Andre is the first prototype.

I'm hoping he's as a quick as I remember him.

Andre's an All Star Center, Whiteside is mediocre and overpaid.

If Pistons blow it up, Whiteside's 2020 expiration contract is fine. But there needs to be more than that.

ByeByeDre wrote:

RexBoyWonder wrote:I would probably make a Whiteside + future second round pick for Andre.

I think Drummond buys in here and plays hard, I think he's younger, quicker then Hassan, and that's big for us. While not a great passer, he's better then Hassan.

The main thing is I think Andre can play his role, (defend bigs + rebound + switch on D) and be fine with a smaller offensive role.

To me the future of the Center position is this - you're either big and fast enough to switch, make quick decisions, protect the rim
OR
You're skilled enough to pass, shot to be considered a big guard.

We already have Kelly as the second prototype.
Bam might be an hybrid
The hope Is Andre is the first prototype.

I'm hoping he's as a quick as I remember him.

Andre's an All Star Center, Whiteside is mediocre and overpaid.

If Pistons blow it up, Whiteside's 2020 expiration contract is fine. But there needs to be more than that.

I'd take some bad money you have like Langston Galloway, but Heat shouldn't attach someone like Rich/Bam/Winslow or a first round pick.

Would you do a Dragic + Hassan
for
Drummond + Reggie Jackson?

RexBoyWonder wrote:

ByeByeDre wrote:

RexBoyWonder wrote:I would probably make a Whiteside + future second round pick for Andre.

I think Drummond buys in here and plays hard, I think he's younger, quicker then Hassan, and that's big for us. While not a great passer, he's better then Hassan.

The main thing is I think Andre can play his role, (defend bigs + rebound + switch on D) and be fine with a smaller offensive role.

To me the future of the Center position is this - you're either big and fast enough to switch, make quick decisions, protect the rim
OR
You're skilled enough to pass, shot to be considered a big guard.

We already have Kelly as the second prototype.
Bam might be an hybrid
The hope Is Andre is the first prototype.

I'm hoping he's as a quick as I remember him.

Andre's an All Star Center, Whiteside is mediocre and overpaid.

If Pistons blow it up, Whiteside's 2020 expiration contract is fine. But there needs to be more than that.

I'd take some bad money you have like Langston Galloway, but Heat shouldn't attach someone like Rich/Bam/Winslow or a first round pick.

Would you do a Dragic + Hassan
for
Drummond + Reggie Jackson?

Probably not - the Pistons need to load up on youth and draft picks, and Drummond and Griffin are probably the only ways to do so. It's hard right now because, as I mentioned to the poster above with his pannies in a bunch, you either have a plan to win a championship or you're on the treadmill. If Detroit can offload their two longest contracts (who also happen to be their two best players), then they can blow it up and have a plan. Miami's on the treadmill, so they either need to upgrade their roster or commit to blowing it up. The upgrade route makes players like Drummond and Griffin attractive - the blow it up route means that they commit to the treadmill for two more years. I blame kevin Durant

ByeByeDre wrote:

RexBoyWonder wrote:

ByeByeDre wrote:
Andre's an All Star Center, Whiteside is mediocre and overpaid.

If Pistons blow it up, Whiteside's 2020 expiration contract is fine. But there needs to be more than that.

I'd take some bad money you have like Langston Galloway, but Heat shouldn't attach someone like Rich/Bam/Winslow or a first round pick.

Would you do a Dragic + Hassan
for
Drummond + Reggie Jackson?

Probably not - the Pistons need to load up on youth and draft picks, and Drummond and Griffin are probably the only ways to do so. It's hard right now because, as I mentioned to the poster above with his pannies in a bunch, you either have a plan to win a championship or you're on the treadmill. If Detroit can offload their two longest contracts (who also happen to be their two best players), then they can blow it up and have a plan. Miami's on the treadmill, so they either need to upgrade their roster or commit to blowing it up. The upgrade route makes players like Drummond and Griffin attractive - the blow it up route means that they commit to the treadmill for two more years. I blame kevin Durant

Haha, you come in here looking for youth and picks - we don't really have them. Bam & Justise are the only players on their rookie contracts and we can only trade our 2019 if it's unprotected. This is not a team to look for those types of assets - Kings & Suns are the most likely to want Drummond and be willing to give up assets you're looking for to get him.

As for us, deals like Rex proposed (where you get a PG upgrade for our C upgrade) are the best bet. Sorry, it's just where our assets stash is at the moment. I like Drummond, but it's the reality of things right now.

As for the championship or bust style of thinking, I totally get you, but Dre isn't going to move the needle enough to give up an unprotected first. So we keep what limited assets we have, ride out the treadmill & get ourselves in a place to reshape the roster more aggressively.

Despite what posters on the GB say we don't have to trade Whiteside immediately to whatever team will give us more than Deng. The TT board has a better handle on where his value & the Heat's thinking is at on the Whiteside issue (though there's still wide valuation & will be amongst teams as well).

puppa bear wrote:

ByeByeDre wrote:

RexBoyWonder wrote:I'd take some bad money you have like Langston Galloway, but Heat shouldn't attach someone like Rich/Bam/Winslow or a first round pick.

Would you do a Dragic + Hassan
for
Drummond + Reggie Jackson?

Probably not - the Pistons need to load up on youth and draft picks, and Drummond and Griffin are probably the only ways to do so. It's hard right now because, as I mentioned to the poster above with his pannies in a bunch, you either have a plan to win a championship or you're on the treadmill. If Detroit can offload their two longest contracts (who also happen to be their two best players), then they can blow it up and have a plan. Miami's on the treadmill, so they either need to upgrade their roster or commit to blowing it up. The upgrade route makes players like Drummond and Griffin attractive - the blow it up route means that they commit to the treadmill for two more years. I blame kevin Durant

Haha, you come in here looking for youth and picks - we don't really have them. Bam & Justise are the only players on their rookie contracts and we can only trade our 2019 if it's unprotected. This is not a team to look for those types of assets - Kings & Suns are the most likely to want Drummond and be willing to give up assets you're looking for to get him.

As for us, deals like Rex proposed (where you get a PG upgrade for our C upgrade) are the best bet. Sorry, it's just where our assets stash is at the moment. I like Drummond, but it's the reality of things right now.

As for the championship or bust style of thinking, I totally get you, but Dre isn't going to move the needle enough to give up an unprotected first. So we keep what limited assets we have, ride out the treadmill & get ourselves in a place to reshape the roster more aggressively.

Despite what posters on the GB say we don't have to trade Whiteside immediately to whatever team will give us more than Deng. The TT board has a better handle on where his value & the Heat's thinking is at on the Whiteside issue (though there's still wide valuation & will be amongst teams as well).

Fair enough - I thought I'd put it out there - there are probably better fits like Portland (lots of crappy contracts and picks) and perhaps Charlotte (same), and yes, Whiteside is at least a functioning center. When Spo plays him, but that's another thread.....

why on earth as a Pistons fan would you want to do that? Drummond is younger and earns his money, getting back an inferior talent to get some cap relief one year earlier than you would by waiting Drummond out isnt smart.

kobewade11 wrote:why on earth as a Pistons fan would you want to do that? Drummond is younger and earns his money, getting back an inferior talent to get some cap relief one year earlier than you would by waiting Drummond out isnt smart.

Straight up? Not interested.

Love Drummond but I don't think Heat would have the assets you guys are looking for unless you just want to salary dump, then this would be a match. Would take Stanley Johnson off your hands if I had my way

not gonna happen drummon seems happy in detroit

Pistons are crazy to let go of SVG. Heat need to hire him as an assistant ASAP. Could teach Spo some things.

HeatFanLifer wrote:Pistons are crazy to let go of SVG. Heat need to hire him as an assistant ASAP. Could teach Spo some things.

I think anybody would take him as an assistant. Phenomenal offensive mind that guy has