Hello guys, friendly Sixers fan here. Like most of people, I’ve followed the Lebron era since you guys were on TV and the Finals each year.
When he returned to Cleveland I got the sense that Pat Riley was trying to send the message or at least pretend to still be a player in the free agent and trade discussions. I felt he was trying to keep that “culture” going, that why he overpaid to get Dragic.
Years have passed and the Heat clearly isn’t tanking (they still give big, not huge, contracts to average players and aren’t selling their stars), but they don’t have a true franchise player or potential one. They max out, in the best case, as a second round team.
It seems like it’s been too many years in no man’s land. I’m curious to see your take on this, what’s the actual end game of this.
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Re: The End Game
Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 4:20 am
by IggieCC
let's go OP
Re: The End Game
Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 4:25 am
by IggieCC
The Clippers are a formidable opponent
Re: The End Game
Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 4:27 am
by IggieCC
dates and tipoff time would be helpful
Re: The End Game
Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 4:27 am
by goodboy
eso3 wrote:Hello guys, friendly Sixers fan here. Like most of people, I’ve followed the Lebron era since you guys were on TV and the Finals each year.
When he returned to Cleveland I got the sense that Pat Riley was trying to send the message or at least pretend to still be a player in the free agent and trade discussions. I felt he was trying to keep that “culture” going, that why he overpaid to get Dragic.
Years have passed and the Heat clearly isn’t tanking (they still give big, not huge, contracts to average players and aren’t selling their stars), but they don’t have a true franchise player or potential one. They max out, in the best case, as a second round team.
It seems like it’s been too many years in no man’s land. I’m curious to see your take on this, what’s the actual end game of this.
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Re: The End Game
Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 4:28 am
by IggieCC
smh
Re: The End Game
Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 2:48 pm
by delanka
The End
Re: The End Game
Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 5:01 pm
by contract
eso3 wrote:Hello guys, friendly Sixers fan here. Like most of people, I’ve followed the Lebron era since you guys were on TV and the Finals each year.
When he returned to Cleveland I got the sense that Pat Riley was trying to send the message or at least pretend to still be a player in the free agent and trade discussions. I felt he was trying to keep that “culture” going, that why he overpaid to get Dragic.
Years have passed and the Heat clearly isn’t tanking (they still give big, not huge, contracts to average players and aren’t selling their stars), but they don’t have a true franchise player or potential one. They max out, in the best case, as a second round team.
It seems like it’s been too many years in no man’s land. I’m curious to see your take on this, what’s the actual end game of this.
Honestly we don't really have an end game. Pat is just spinning his wheels hoping some star player will force a trade to the Heat for peanuts. I think it's safe to say that we will never compete for another title in the Pat Riley era. He's too old and stubborn to rebuild ... and he has no valuable cards to play.
Re: The End Game
Posted: Sat Dec 8, 2018 11:54 pm
by HeatIn5
zion
Re: The End Game
Posted: Sun Dec 9, 2018 4:08 am
by eso3
contract wrote:
eso3 wrote:Hello guys, friendly Sixers fan here. Like most of people, I’ve followed the Lebron era since you guys were on TV and the Finals each year.
When he returned to Cleveland I got the sense that Pat Riley was trying to send the message or at least pretend to still be a player in the free agent and trade discussions. I felt he was trying to keep that “culture” going, that why he overpaid to get Dragic.
Years have passed and the Heat clearly isn’t tanking (they still give big, not huge, contracts to average players and aren’t selling their stars), but they don’t have a true franchise player or potential one. They max out, in the best case, as a second round team.
It seems like it’s been too many years in no man’s land. I’m curious to see your take on this, what’s the actual end game of this.
Honestly we don't really have an end game. Pat is just spinning his wheels hoping some star player will force a trade to the Heat for peanuts. I think it's safe to say that we will never compete for another title in the Pat Riley era. He's too old and stubborn to rebuild ... and he has no valuable cards to play.
Thank you for answering. I feel the same way when looking at the Heat. Pat Riley still believes he can convince a star showing him his rings. Are you guys players in the free agent offseason? What’s your cap situation?
Are you guys on board with proper rebuilding?
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Re: The End Game
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:09 pm
by RexBoyWonder
We'll never do a Sixers Tank.
And that's a good thing. Was Embarssing.
Re: The End Game
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:52 am
by eso3
RexBoyWonder wrote:We'll never do a Sixers Tank.
And that's a good thing. Was Embarssing.
Never meant to hurt anyone’s feelings with my thread. I just wanted to get a sense of the road you guys are taking as a franchise. I don’t get it yet. It’s not as defined as a full blown tank, as the Sixers did.
As for the last comment... well... it was painful but know we have something to cheer for. Something good.
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Re: The End Game
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:12 am
by ElDoggo
they need to hit the clutch shots
Re: When We Have to Explain Why We Want to Win Games
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:04 pm
by gom
eso3 wrote:As for the last comment... well... it was painful but know we have something to cheer for. Something good.
So do we. It's nice to go to games--the live experience is first-rate entertainment--and know the players and everyone connected with the team is trying to win.
Don't worry too much about us. The Heat almost always make the postseason (20 of 30, 10 times out in first round, 3 second-round exits, 2 conference final losses, 2 finals losses, 3 championships). That may not seem so impressive, but it is abnormal. During this time, the 76ers have only made the postseason 13 times. That's one reason our fanbase is different. We expect to play in the postseason.
As for going beyond... I don't think anyone beats Golden State at the moment, so good luck with that. Maybe it's a great time to tank for some teenagers and rebuild the team, but we are betting we don't have to become completely unwatchable to succeed. We can do a rebuild in place, gathering talent, developing talent, but maintaining the winning culture that has taken us so far.
So the end game is to improve the assets we have and add players from other teams in free agency, players who want to win and will appreciate like-minded fans.
Re: The End Game
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:16 pm
by Bourne85
We are praying for a Xmas miracle
Re: The End Game
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:36 pm
by RexBoyWonder
Honestly, end game must inclued luring a true star (Lilard? Townes?) to join our young good core, as soon as possible.
Re: The End Game
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:34 pm
by contract
eso3 wrote:
Spoiler:
contract wrote:
eso3 wrote:Hello guys, friendly Sixers fan here. Like most of people, I’ve followed the Lebron era since you guys were on TV and the Finals each year.
When he returned to Cleveland I got the sense that Pat Riley was trying to send the message or at least pretend to still be a player in the free agent and trade discussions. I felt he was trying to keep that “culture” going, that why he overpaid to get Dragic.
Years have passed and the Heat clearly isn’t tanking (they still give big, not huge, contracts to average players and aren’t selling their stars), but they don’t have a true franchise player or potential one. They max out, in the best case, as a second round team.
It seems like it’s been too many years in no man’s land. I’m curious to see your take on this, what’s the actual end game of this.
Honestly we don't really have an end game. Pat is just spinning his wheels hoping some star player will force a trade to the Heat for peanuts. I think it's safe to say that we will never compete for another title in the Pat Riley era. He's too old and stubborn to rebuild ... and he has no valuable cards to play.
Thank you for answering. I feel the same way when looking at the Heat. Pat Riley still believes he can convince a star showing him his rings. Are you guys players in the free agent offseason? What’s your cap situation?
Are you guys on board with proper rebuilding?
Some of us would like to see a true rebuild, but Pat Riley has never been interested in building with youth, and now that he's old, he has even less appetite for starting anything he may not be around to see the end of.
Our cap is a mess through next season, and then it opens up as long as we don't take on any more bad long term deals.
My expectation though is that Pat won't wait for the cap room. He will continue to try to trade for a "star" this season and next because he's impatient, and because he realizes that now that Wade is old, we're no longer that attractive a destination for top free agents. The beach/lifestyle/no state income tax is great, but top free agents are looking to team up with other top players and win ... and this team has no legit all-star player.
Basically I think that we will continue to spin our wheels and compete to be a lower seed playoff team until Pat Riley finally retires and someone with a longer view takes over.
Re: The End Game
Posted: Tue Jan 1, 2019 7:39 pm
by BadMofoPimp
eso3 wrote:Hello guys, friendly Sixers fan here. Like most of people, I’ve followed the Lebron era since you guys were on TV and the Finals each year.
When he returned to Cleveland I got the sense that Pat Riley was trying to send the message or at least pretend to still be a player in the free agent and trade discussions. I felt he was trying to keep that “culture” going, that why he overpaid to get Dragic.
Years have passed and the Heat clearly isn’t tanking (they still give big, not huge, contracts to average players and aren’t selling their stars), but they don’t have a true franchise player or potential one. They max out, in the best case, as a second round team.
It seems like it’s been too many years in no man’s land. I’m curious to see your take on this, what’s the actual end game of this.
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The way I see it is if the Sixers didn't get extremely lucky Embiid either didn't get picked before or didn't become what he is, the Sixers would be worse than the Heat now. Wouldn't that suck to be stuck in the middle because you didn't get lucky that one time after years of many failed tank seasons?
The Sixers could just as easily be stuck in the middle or worse.
