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Mavs are rumored to be shopping DSJ.

I'm personally enamored with his potential and, as a Heat fan, would like Riles to take a flyer on the high flying PG.

Dragic, Ellington and a future pick for DSJ and cap filler(s) would be my opening offer, but honestly, I'd surrender quite a bit more to nab him.

I'd like to get some thoughts and potential explorable trade scenarios.

Beenie wrote:Mavs are rumored to be shopping DSJ.

I'm personally enamored with his potential and, as a Heat fan, would like Riles to take a flyer on the high flying PG.

Dragic, Ellington and a future pick for DSJ and cap filler(s) would be my opening offer, but honestly, I'd surrender quite a bit more to nab him.

I'd like to get some thoughts and potential explorable trade scenarios.

They would require Bam, pretty obviously. Not worth that but we have nothing else that would interest them...

I like the trade OP presented. Doubt Dallas would bite. But would be nice.

You guys are just nuts. DSJ is not worth Dragic + Ellington + FRP -- stop being silly.

Now... if the return besides him are expirings (this season!) and the sum is $6.7M less than the current value (or even more), I might be interested, but not because of DSJ, who appears to be a shooting guard who cannot really shoot.

Defs no to Goran and an FRP.

I'd take a flier on him for Wayne and Gruder though. I liked him coming out of college, although with Point Winnie coming along, I probably see him as a 6mth man type on our team...and we have a lot of guards....

gom wrote:You guys are just nuts. DSJ is not worth Dragic + Ellington + FRP -- stop being silly.

Now... if the return besides him are expirings (this season!) and the sum is $6.7M less than the current value (or even more), I might be interested, but not because of DSJ, who appears to be a shooting guard who cannot really shoot.

If I'm Riles, I'd do this deal and not think twice. If I'm the Mavs' GM, I'd have a difficult decision and would likely leverage the offer to try drive the price up.

Simply put, Dragic is hurt, getting old, and thus his trade value is diminishing moment to moment, and Ellington is no longer in the rotation so he's expendable. A future FRP can have protections and be deferred to a safely projected year. And as for Smith, he's the type of player who can be a one on one iso scorer who is capable to getting spacing and clean looks at will. It's an element that Mia sorely lacks.

As for the Mavs', reuniting Doncic and Dragic I'm sure is something that I assume they find somewhat intriguing, and adding Ellington immediately bolsters their shooting.

Sorry, Beenie, I don't see the value. Dragic is a reliable starting point guard in the NBA. You say he's old. I say he's a veteran. I'd be glad to resign him for MLE his contract is over.

Wiltside wrote:Defs no to Goran and an FRP.

I'd take a flier on him for Wayne and Gruder though. I liked him coming out of college, although with Point Winnie coming along, I probably see him as a 6mth man type on our team...and we have a lot of guards....

Dennis Smith Junior's not really a good point guard, which is one reason he doesn't work well with Luka. I'm sure Dallas would love to have Dragic with Barea out.

Dennis Smith is more like a short shooting guard. 96/110 (ortg/drtg). He is shooting the 3 better but the ast/to ratio is pretty bad. He would have a hard time getting minutes behind Richardson, TJ, Waiters, McGruder, Ellington, not to mention Wade. I think he is an underrated defender, which is a definite positive.

Note: He is very athletic but has been prone to injuries.

Now what's really exciting is the Mavs are talking about Wes Matthews expiring. If we could somehow dump salary of next season in the trade, my outlook would be more positive. Something like this would be ok, but no picks.



http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8o5rclx

If Dennis Smith is injury prone, forget trading for him. This team has had enough injuries.

However, if the only draw back is he is more an off-guard than pg, that’s fine because Jrich and especially Winslow are proving more than capable of being point.

I'd bite, he'd solidify our young athletic movement we're moving towards.

Dragic and Ellington for DSJ and w.e
Mavs may have the incentive trading for Dragic as he and Luke have chemistry.

Winslow
DSJ
Rich
DJJ
Bam

Would be extremely fun to watch

Mags have about $57m if workable cap space this off season, and right now they have Doncic/Barnes/Smith as the marketable pieces to sell a prospective FA on. If they add Dragic they limit themselves to a single max FA and Dragic isn’t helping convince anyone to come.

If we had a big expiring deal to send for Barnes and allow them to shop for 2 max FAs with Doncic/Dragic as the maintains then that’s one thing, but we don’t.


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DSJ is like Bledsoe, worth it but are u willing to wait?

we wanted Bledsoe but no way we are that patient. any move not involving picks is good

I prefer to play bigger. I’d be more interested in Aaron Gordon or Jonathan Isaac if they are indeed on the table in DSJ talks.

No way in hell are we getting DSJ for a package of Dragic and Ellington. Dragic won't be back until after the trade deadline. Dragic also has an opt out next year so if Mavs really want him and he really sees a better opportunity joining Doncic then they just coax him to opt out and sign him to a longer term deal.

I actually see Dragic opting out now with Winslow looking like the PG here. He will be looking for his last long term deal. No way Mavs give up a significant young asset for Dragic. Mavs are looking at getting young players back in return. This is why the Magic and Suns are in on this. They have plenty of expendable young assets.

MettaWorldPanda wrote:No way in hell are we getting DSJ for a package of Dragic and Ellington. Dragic won't be back until after the trade deadline. Dragic also has an opt out next year so if Mavs really want him and he really sees a better opportunity joining Doncic then they just coax him to opt out and sign him to a longer term deal.

I actually see Dragic opting out now with Winslow looking like the PG here. He will be looking for his last long term deal. No way Mavs give up a significant young asset for Dragic. Mavs are looking at getting young players back in return. This is why the Magic and Suns are in on this. They have plenty of expendable young assets.

Thank you. We are not good trading partners with Dallas. And whole injured, Dragic has very little value.

This is just DOA.

MettaWorldPanda wrote:No way in hell are we getting DSJ for a package of Dragic and Ellington. Dragic won't be back until after the trade deadline. Dragic also has an opt out next year so if Mavs really want him and he really sees a better opportunity joining Doncic then they just coax him to opt out and sign him to a longer term deal.

I actually see Dragic opting out now with Winslow looking like the PG here. He will be looking for his last long term deal. No way Mavs give up a significant young asset for Dragic. Mavs are looking at getting young players back in return. This is why the Magic and Suns are in on this. They have plenty of expendable young assets.

Not arguing the merits of the deal but "coax[ing] Dragic to opt out and sign him to a longer term deal" is tampering. They won't do it, because if they did, especially with them being our rivals, we will skewer them as they deserve to be.

If the point is to hunt depressed assets to become gems in the raw (catch a falling knife?), here are some:

2017 (top 10)
Josh Jackson (121 g, 27.6% 3P%, 24 mp, 11.9 p, 4.4 rbd, 1.8 ast, -1.9 ws, -1.9 VORP)
Frank Ntilikina (114 g, 31% 3P%, 21.7 mp, 6 p, 2.2 rbd, 3.0 st, -1.6 ws, -1.4 VORP)

2016 (top 10)
Dragan Bender
Marquese Chriss
Thon Maker

2015 (top 10)
Mario Hezonja
Jahlil Okafor
Emmanuel Mudiay
Stanley Johnson

Fun fact: All these players were drafted at Justise Winslow's position (#10) or higher.

No future picks from us. None.

If they want JJ/Dion/Mcgruber/Ellington - that's a fine gamble to take on a small PG that shoots 67% FT and has a bad A/TO ratio.

RexBoyWonder wrote:No future picks from us. None.

If they want JJ/Dion/Mcgruber/Ellington - that's a fine gamble to take on a small PG that shoots 67% FT and has a bad A/TO ratio.

He does have great hops:



Also, this is from Luka's channel (Jan 2, 2019)



Why would he post this if there were problems? My guess is Dallas doesn't move him for a small return.

gom wrote:

RexBoyWonder wrote:No future picks from us. None.

If they want JJ/Dion/Mcgruber/Ellington - that's a fine gamble to take on a small PG that shoots 67% FT and has a bad A/TO ratio.

He does have great hops:

Watch on YouTube

Also, this is from Luka's channel (Jan 2, 2019)

Watch on YouTube

Why would he post this if there were problems? My guess is Dallas doesn't move him for a small return.

If you're tiny - you better be a great shooter or at least a good shooter. Last thing we need is another guard with an inconsistent shot.

For our scarps, it's a fine deal. No picks.

Keep our pick that’s all I’m asking for

gom wrote:

MettaWorldPanda wrote:No way in hell are we getting DSJ for a package of Dragic and Ellington. Dragic won't be back until after the trade deadline. Dragic also has an opt out next year so if Mavs really want him and he really sees a better opportunity joining Doncic then they just coax him to opt out and sign him to a longer term deal.

I actually see Dragic opting out now with Winslow looking like the PG here. He will be looking for his last long term deal. No way Mavs give up a significant young asset for Dragic. Mavs are looking at getting young players back in return. This is why the Magic and Suns are in on this. They have plenty of expendable young assets.

Not arguing the merits of the deal but "coax[ing] Dragic to opt out and sign him to a longer term deal" is tampering. They won't do it, because if they did, especially with them being our rivals, we will skewer them as they deserve to be.

If the point is to hunt depressed assets to become gems in the raw (catch a falling knife?), here are some:

2017 (top 10)
Josh Jackson (121 g, 27.6% 3P%, 24 mp, 11.9 p, 4.4 rbd, 1.8 ast, -1.9 ws, -1.9 VORP)
Frank Ntilikina (114 g, 31% 3P%, 21.7 mp, 6 p, 2.2 rbd, 3.0 st, -1.6 ws, -1.4 VORP)

2016 (top 10)
Dragan Bender
Marquese Chriss
Thon Maker

2015 (top 10)
Mario Hezonja
Jahlil Okafor
Emmanuel Mudiay
Stanley Johnson

Fun fact: All these players were drafted at Justise Winslow's position (#10) or higher.

The coaxing was meant as a hypothetical. Things happen under the table all the time. League can't assume Dragic or Dallas intentions. Dragic has an opt out and has every right to use it. I'm feeling almost sure that with the direction the team is going with Winslow he most likely opts out and can fetch at very least a 3 yr 15 per (45) out in the open market. He's not going to wait another year to test the market. Either he forces us to extend him for that amount or Dallas welcomes him with open arms.