Andrew Wiggins?

[gom]

He took Nerlens Noel out with force.

Watch on YouTube

He made the free throws too. This was a 40-pt game, a double-double actually.

Ryan Anderson (exp) + James Johnson + Dion Waiters for Dieng + Wiggins + #10 + #43, MIN SRP 2021, Most favorable of 2022 (PHL or DEN or MIN)

And then:

Whiteside for Batum + CHO 2019 (#12) + 2020 CLE SRP + 2021 BRK SRP

Restock the pick jar. Draft 10, 12, & 13 for 2019 and tank next season for RJ Hampton or Cole Anthony. We would have 4 SRP later. Adding Anderson gives some relief this season for Wolves.

[puppa bear]

He took Nerlens Noel out with force.

Watch on YouTube

He made the free throws too. This was a 40-pt game, a double-double actually.

Ryan Anderson (exp) + James Johnson + Dion Waiters for Dieng + Wiggins + #10 + #43, MIN SRP 2021, Most favorable of 2022 (PHL or DEN or MIN)

And then:

Whiteside for Batum + CHO 2019 (#12) + 2020 CLE SRP + 2021 BRK SRP

Restock the pick jar. Draft 10, 12, & 13 for 2019 and tank next season for RJ Hampton or Cole Anthony. We would have 4 SRP later. Adding Anderson gives some relief this season for Wolves.

And then Wall/6 (I’d try to get more, but this pick could be really useful) for Dragic (works if done before the extension kicks in).

Also, since we’re in fantasy land: we’re the only team to move up in the lotto (to 1st, naturally), so the picks actually end up: 1, 7, 11 and 13. Given we take Zion with the first, we then have 7, 11, 13 to add to:
Winslow/Wall
Richardson
Wiggins/Batum/DJJ
Williamson/KO
Bam/Dieng

How would you draft those three slots, given that group, and the cluster-fcuk, of a cap sheet we will have ended up with? We’d have to assume no FAs for a few years, and only next years pick (likely 12-20, depending on how pieces fit). Personally, I’d take: White at 7, Bol at 11, then 13 would be NAW or KPJ in that order. I took Bol before NAW/KPJ as I believe that one of them will be available at 13, but Bol would be gone - he may not be there at 11 (if he’s off the board I take Rui).

[gom]

He took Nerlens Noel out with force.

Watch on YouTube

He made the free throws too. This was a 40-pt game, a double-double actually.

Ryan Anderson (exp) + James Johnson + Dion Waiters for Dieng + Wiggins + #10 + #43, MIN SRP 2021, Most favorable of 2022 (PHL or DEN or MIN)

And then:

Whiteside for Batum + CHO 2019 (#12) + 2020 CLE SRP + 2021 BRK SRP

Restock the pick jar. Draft 10, 12, & 13 for 2019 and tank next season for RJ Hampton or Cole Anthony. We would have 4 SRP later. Adding Anderson gives some relief this season for Wolves.

And then Wall/6 (I’d try to get more, but this pick could be really useful) for Dragic (works if done before the extension kicks in).

Also, since we’re in fantasy land: we’re the only team to move up in the lotto (to 1st, naturally), so the picks actually end up: 1, 7, 11 and 13. Given we take Zion with the first, we then have 7, 11, 13 to add to:
Winslow/Wall
Richardson
Wiggins/Batum/DJJ
Williamson/KO
Bam/Dieng

How would you draft those three slots, given that group, and the cluster-fcuk, of a cap sheet we will have ended up with? We’d have to assume no FAs for a few years, and only next years pick (likely 12-20, depending on how pieces fit). Personally, I’d take: White at 7, Bol at 11, then 13 would be NAW or KPJ in that order. I took Bol before NAW/KPJ as I believe that one of them will be available at 13, but Bol would be gone - he may not be there at 11 (if he’s off the board I take Rui).

whoa, Nelly!

I didn't think my trades were that far out. Wiggins's price is likely two FRP, even attaching JJ and Waiters. And we're also taking Dieng, who is undesirable. Let's look at the gory details:

Wiggins:

2019-20: $27,504,630
2020-21: $29,542,010
2021-22: $31,579,390
2022-23: $33,616,770

Dieng:

2019-20: $16,229,213
2020-21: $17,287,640


James Johnson:

2019-20: $15,129,400
2020-21: $15,827,100 (player option)


Dion Waiters:

2019-20: $12,100,000
2020-21: $12,650,000

Ryan Anderson:

 $15,643,750 (if waived before 7/10/2019)

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That's $57M of savings for the Wolves and they are out of everything by 2021 (instead of 2023). That is worth 2 FRP but instead I'm offering one FRP (#10 of 2019) and three seconds: #43, MIN SRP 2021, Most favorable of 2022 (PHL or DEN or MIN)

Let's be generous and price those 2nds at $5M each. That gives $42M for a FRP (#10). It's more than generous.


The expiring Whiteside for Batum + CHO 2019 (#12) + 2020 CLE SRP + 2021 BRK SRP

I think it's undeniable this is a good deal for Charlotte. Batum is owed $52.6M over two seasons whereas Whiteside is owed $27M next season and then off the books. That's $25M, which should compensate for the FRP and the two seconds. I'm willing to forgo the 2020 CLE pick however. It's unlikely to be a big deal. I just want to have the second in 2021 to compensate for our FRP loss.

And, yes, I'd likely do the Wall/6 for Dragic. I mean... why not? We are already so screwed.

[puppa bear]

He made the free throws too. This was a 40-pt game, a double-double actually.

Ryan Anderson (exp) + James Johnson + Dion Waiters for Dieng + Wiggins + #10 + #43, MIN SRP 2021, Most favorable of 2022 (PHL or DEN or MIN)

And then:

Whiteside for Batum + CHO 2019 (#12) + 2020 CLE SRP + 2021 BRK SRP

Restock the pick jar. Draft 10, 12, & 13 for 2019 and tank next season for RJ Hampton or Cole Anthony. We would have 4 SRP later. Adding Anderson gives some relief this season for Wolves.

And then Wall/6 (I’d try to get more, but this pick could be really useful) for Dragic (works if done before the extension kicks in).

Also, since we’re in fantasy land: we’re the only team to move up in the lotto (to 1st, naturally), so the picks actually end up: 1, 7, 11 and 13. Given we take Zion with the first, we then have 7, 11, 13 to add to:
Winslow/Wall
Richardson
Wiggins/Batum/DJJ
Williamson/KO
Bam/Dieng

How would you draft those three slots, given that group, and the cluster-fcuk, of a cap sheet we will have ended up with? We’d have to assume no FAs for a few years, and only next years pick (likely 12-20, depending on how pieces fit). Personally, I’d take: White at 7, Bol at 11, then 13 would be NAW or KPJ in that order. I took Bol before NAW/KPJ as I believe that one of them will be available at 13, but Bol would be gone - he may not be there at 11 (if he’s off the board I take Rui).

whoa, Nelly!

I didn't think my trades were that far out. Wiggins's price is likely two FRP, even attaching JJ and Waiters. And we're also taking Dieng, who is undesirable. Let's look at the gory details:

Wiggins:

2019-20: $27,504,630
2020-21: $29,542,010
2021-22: $31,579,390
2022-23: $33,616,770

Dieng:

2019-20: $16,229,213
2020-21: $17,287,640


James Johnson:

2019-20: $15,129,400
2020-21: $15,827,100 (player option)


Dion Waiters:

2019-20: $12,100,000
2020-21: $12,650,000

Ryan Anderson:

 $15,643,750 (if waived before 7/10/2019)

----

That's $57M of savings for the Wolves and they are out of everything by 2021 (instead of 2023). That is worth 2 FRP but instead I'm offering one FRP (#10 of 2019) and three seconds: #43, MIN SRP 2021, Most favorable of 2022 (PHL or DEN or MIN)

Let's be generous and price those 2nds at $5M each. That gives $42M for a FRP (#10). It's more than generous.


The expiring Whiteside for Batum + CHO 2019 (#12) + 2020 CLE SRP + 2021 BRK SRP

I think it's undeniable this is a good deal for Charlotte. Batum is owed $52.6M over two seasons whereas Whiteside is owed $27M next season and then off the books. That's $25M, which should compensate for the FRP and the two seconds. I'm willing to forgo the 2020 CLE pick however. It's unlikely to be a big deal. I just want to have the second in 2021 to compensate for our FRP loss.

And, yes, I'd likely do the Wall/6 for Dragic. I mean... why not? We are already so screwed.

I don’t think you’re trades are out at all: I think value is fine. I was more meaning fantasy as in “moves the front office won’t ever make because they’re setting up for a FA run and/trading expirings for a disgruntled star”.

Honestly, I’d love to do these trades (even without the getting #1 from ours): we get another young top-end player who (despite the unearned contract) is coming into his prime years with growth potential, an established all-star (albeit injured and possibly on the decline) who will recruit his all-star friends, 4 lotto picks this year to help manage the cap sheet while those deals slowing come off the books (6, 10, 12, 13). If we draft well and the team clicks we’re looking at a possible second-round team. The youth-vet balance is almost perfect, and the positional balance could be the best we’ve had for years - and be appropriate for how the modern NBA is going.

[gom]

oh, ok. Now I get you. Yes, I have to agree. They would never take the chance. Here are my picks though (in the fantasy world):

Coby White (PG) #6
Bol Bol (C) #10
KZ Okpala (SF) #12
Keldon Johnson (SG) #13
And #43?
We can take a chance with our second: Aubrey Dawkins (SG) or PJ Washington (PF) or Tacko Fall (C) #43

Rest of Team:
PG: Wall
SG: Richardson, Batum
SF: Winslow, Wiggins, Jones
PF: Adebayo
C: Olynyk, Dieng

Still two slots. I'd try to find some experienced veterans for min value because 5 rookies is already too many.

future picks:
2020 MIA FRP (top 5?)
2020 CLE SRP

2021 BRK SRP
2021 MIN SRP

2022 MIA FRP
2022 MIA SRP
2022 Most favorable of (PHL or DEN or MIN)

[puppa bear]

oh, ok. Now I get you. Yes, I have to agree. They would never take the chance. Here are my picks though (in the fantasy world):

Coby White (PG) #6
Bol Bol (C) #10
KZ Okpala (SF) #12
Keldon Johnson (SG) #13
And #43?
We can take a chance with our second: Aubrey Dawkins (SG) or PJ Washington (PF) or Tacko Fall (C) #43

Rest of Team:
PG: Wall
SG: Richardson, Batum
SF: Winslow, Wiggins, Jones
PF: Adebayo
C: Olynyk, Dieng

Still two slots. I'd try to find some experienced veterans for min value because 5 rookies is already too many.

future picks:
2020 MIA FRP (top 5?)
2020 CLE SRP

2021 BRK SRP
2021 MIN SRP

2022 MIA FRP
2022 MIA SRP
2022 Most favorable of (PHL or DEN or MIN)

Agree with White (6) and Bol (10), but I’d still want one of NAW/KPJ at the 12/13 and I’d take one of the PFs with the other - Rui/Clarke (in that order).

To be honest though, Bol at 10 is the only pick in there I’m set on - if he drops to 10 I’m not sure we can let him go to the 11th pick, someone will trade into that spot knowing he’s gone at 12/13. For the 6 it all depends on who’s picked 4 & 5 after Zion/Ja/RJ - at least one of Culver/Hunter/Reddish will be there at 6, and Garland should still be on the board at 12/13, so passing on White for a wing might make sense. I’d also love to get Doumbouya if he’s available at 12/13 - but I think someone takes him late top-10.

[gom]

Culver would be very good for us. I hope he falls far enough. Looks like a good defender and lots of room to grow. I prefer Okpala and Keldon Johnson to KPJ. I just don't see any justification for drafting Porter at all. I honestly think he should fall to the 20s after such a merde season. I pass. Keldon Johnson has a great looking shot and Okpala has the potential of KPJ attached to a more serious disposition. I would like Nickeil Alexander-Walker, but if I have to choose I'd take Bol in a heartbeat, especially if I already have White (or pretty please!) Culver in the bag.

This is more fun than draft night will actually be. I wish the Heat had kept some cash for a second. There are some good guys in the second round.

[Hoops23]

Andrew Wiggins???
NO NO NO

He is over paid. The Heat already has a lot of unwanted contracts.
Cuts the cap space to free agent plans of 2020.

He doesn't play good defense. Lot of times he is absent minded.

Draft picks are over rated.
Hope the Heat will not draft another Beasley.

[ReturnofMVP3]

We aren’t the knicks. Plz have standards.

[GopherIt!]

bump

[KingDavid]

We aren’t the knicks. Plz have standards.

Thank you.

bump

He's trash and overpaid fam, no thank you.

[puppa bear]

bump

Wiggins/11/43 for Waiters/JJ

[Wiltside]

Mods lock this thread

[Bishop45]

11th pick, 2nd rounder, future protected first and Wiggins for Whiteside

Ink me up Goph

[SlowPaced]

Fuark no. Wiggins is one of my biggest disappointments ever. The dude keeps going south instead of north every damn year. Negative on both sides of the ball at this point and crazily overpaid.

Still hope something lights a fire up his behind and he turns it around, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[puppa bear]

11th pick, 2nd rounder, future protected first and Wiggins for Whiteside

Ink me up Goph

I’m with you Bish, but I’d rather clear the contracts of Dion/JJ and forgo the future 1st. This way we can get our extra 1st and still have max space in 2020 or 2021.

[Bishop45]

11th pick, 2nd rounder, future protected first and Wiggins for Whiteside

Ink me up Goph

I’m with you Bish, but I’d rather clear the contracts of Dion/JJ and forgo the future 1st. This way we can get our extra 1st and still have max space in 2020 or 2021.

No way. I value the pick way more than the space.
We'll have space regardless, picks don't fall out of trees

[Bishop45]

Fuark no. Wiggins is one of my biggest disappointments ever. The dude keeps going south instead of north every damn year. Negative on both sides of the ball at this point and crazily overpaid.

Still hope something lights a fire up his behind and he turns it around, but I wouldn't bet on it.

It's an anomaly for sure, but says more about his character than his game imo. Which isn't a positive, but goes to say, he's not really terrible, though he's not really good

Which isn't really the point. I'd wager his contract for a decent project and an opportunity to get 2 first round picks. Picks are the most liquid assets around, and add that to our insuing capspace, and you have the most dangerous team building tools in the hands of one of the most ambitious FO's= good recipe

Every team has bad(or what one would call overpaid) contracts, midas whale get a talented young project and picks to boot

[ReturnofMVP3]

We aren’t the knicks. Plz have standards.

Thank you.

bump

He's trash and overpaid fam, no thank you.

You’re welcome David.