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Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:12 pm
by Feel_the_Heat15
-MK- wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Spoiler:
rate_ wrote:I thought he was measured 6’9.5” in shoes:

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KZ is either 6-7 without shoes or 6-9 with shoes but he can't be both. I'm leaning towards the former.

Why can't he be both? Baskeball shoes add 1-3 inches. The differnce between "6-7 without shoes" and "6-9 with shoes" is 2 inches.


98% of basketball shoes do not add 2-3 inches. Even if Okpala did have a pair of basketball shoes that added 2 inches to height, he wouldn't be wearing them every single game.

Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:24 pm
by Chalm Down
Bishop45 wrote:Last post on this dreariness before transitioning to 2020


Bishop45 wrote:Pity the foo who uses a lotto pick on Herro... Unless it's the Celtic's, hope it's the Celtic's


Anime betrayal

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Been too soft on post-Rondo C's, phuck em'


I feel you bish

Chalm Down wrote:14. Boston - PJ Washington. Could also see NAW going here. Or maybe even Herro, who everyone seems to be mocking here lately, but I just can't.


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Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:32 pm
by JustiseForMiami

Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:31 pm
by radikalBaller
Guys spell it right, it is KD Okpala !!! :nod:

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:38 pm
by -MK-
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
-MK- wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Spoiler:


KZ is either 6-7 without shoes or 6-9 with shoes but he can't be both. I'm leaning towards the former.

Why can't he be both? Baskeball shoes add 1-3 inches. The differnce between "6-7 without shoes" and "6-9 with shoes" is 2 inches.


98% of basketball shoes do not add 2-3 inches. Even if Okpala did have a pair of basketball shoes that added 2 inches to height, he wouldn't be wearing them every single game.

You are right, most shoes don't add that much (average is about 1.3 inches). But his shoes are not an exception. Here are the biggest differences of players' listed heights with and without shoes from Draft Combine since 2004 (when listing both heights became a thing):

2.75 in.:
Bobby Brown
Daequan Cook
Spencer Hawes
Herbert Hill
Quinton Hosley
Jeremy Hunt
Trey Johnson
JR Reynolds

2.5 in.:
Jeff Green
Ron Lewis
Cartier Martin

2.25 in.:
KZ Okpala
Udoka Azubuike
Cole Aldrich
Jared Dudley
Major Wingate

2.0 in.:
Devon Dotson
Jordan Poole
Justise Winslow
Gary Harris
Shabazz Napier
Seth Curry
Ryan Kelly
Phil Pressey
Deshaun Thomas
Andre Drummond
Darius Morris
Nolan Smith
Dexter Pittman
Richard Hendrix
Mario Boggan
Jermareo Davidson
Zabian Dowdell
Rashaun Freeman
Caleb Green
Stephane Lasme
Josh McRoberts
Sammy Mejia
Joakim Noah
Blake Schilb
Julian Wright
Nemanja Aleksandrov
Marcus Campbell
Ales Chan

Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:41 pm
by Beenie
JustiseForMiami wrote:


Worked his arse off on that possession. If that's the kind of motor that "White Drip" intends on bringing game in, game out, Mia got themselves one heck of a player.

Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:45 pm
by JustiseForMiami
radikalBaller wrote:Guys spell it right, it is KD Okpala !!! :nod:

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So I actually kinda like the spelling Kezie better than KZ

Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:24 pm
by DrHeat
I few observations on Herro after watching some full Kentucky games

Besides the obvious: Very competitive, good shooter with potential to be great shooter ( due to exceptional FT shooting), not afraid of the big moment

Gets really good elevation on his jumper, he is great at shooting off the dribble (a glaring weakness in our roster since other than Dion nobody can really do it) and very high BB IQ at relocating and finding open space in the court ala Steph curry and Ray Allen (this is actually his most impressive skill)

He will a good player after some adaptation period to NBA defenses and when he gets physical stronger and can absorb some contact.

Now to become a borderline star or all start ...

He needs to tighten his handle and show that he can create for others and he needs to improve shooting during hand offs on the move (like Reddick, Ellington and Korver)

His first step I am not really worried about... He seems athletic enough and when you are a good to great shooter you can do very well without an explosive first step.. Steph and Klay don't have great first steps and seem to get to the rim a lot

Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:39 pm
by MettaWorldPanda
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:14 pm
by Bishop45
DrHeat wrote: Steph and Klay don't have great first steps and seem to get to the rim a lot


Oh this is bad, can we not do this?

Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:22 pm
by DrHeat
Bishop45 wrote:
DrHeat wrote: Steph and Klay don't have great first steps and seem to get to the rim a lot


Oh this is bad, can we not do this?


Not comparing Herro to Steph or Klay.. but is fair to point out that some guys that are superstars in the league don't have elite athleticism

Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:25 pm
by DayofMourning
I personally feel like we drafted Klay and Durant. Add those kind of guys to EJ (Rich), Kawhi (Winslow), and Kemp (Bam) and you've suddenly got a monster of a team.

Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:41 pm
by Feel_the_Heat15
Stories of Herro:
1.Made 95 3s in 5 minutes in a shooting drill

Today, we do a five-minute shooting drill. For a while, the most anybody made ... I think Kyle Wiltjer made 73 one time. But the last couple times Coach [Tony] Barbee, stood next to Tyler so they kept throwing Tony the ball and he would throw it to him and he'd shoot and shoot and shoot so he was getting off 18-20 more shots. So the normal 65 to 67 ... he made 83 before Florida in five minutes. Can you imagine? Threes. Today, he made 95. Ninety five shots made in five minutes. Probably shoot 100 shots and missed five.


2.Made 80 3s out of 100 in a Celtics workout.

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3.Did something in a Heat shooting drill that no other guard prospect brought in by the Heat has ever come close to doing.

“He shot the ball extremely well,” Riley said of Herro’s workout at AmericanAirlines Arena. “But I think he shot the ball extremely well in most of his workouts. But in one of our workouts, we have one particular shooting drill that not one of our guards in all the years that we brought them in for workouts even came close to what he did. It usually takes the Ray Allens of the world and the Wayne Ellingtons of the world to really, it’s a challenging three-point shooting drill, and he just buried it.”

Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:57 pm
by twix2500
Bishop45 wrote:
DrHeat wrote: Steph and Klay don't have great first steps and seem to get to the rim a lot


Oh this is bad, can we not do this?
What do you all consider or define as "first step"?

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:11 pm
by Bishop45
twix2500 wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
DrHeat wrote: Steph and Klay don't have great first steps and seem to get to the rim a lot


Oh this is bad, can we not do this?
What do you all consider or define as "first step"?

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First step off of a drive, step back, etc. to create separation. I don't know if there's 10 guys in the league with a first step as good as Curry's, que no significa de nada. An avoidable argument, I'll zip it

examples


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Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:25 pm
by DrHeat
I guess what I am trying to say is that just because you were deemed an average athlete in the pre draft process that doesn't mean you can't be a very successful NBA player


Here are Steph NBADraft.net weaknesses

Weaknesses: Far below NBA standard in regard to explosivenes and athleticism ... At 6-2, he's extremely small for the NBA shooting guard position, and it will likely keep him from being much of a defender at the next level ... Although he's playing point guard this year, he's not a natural point guard that an NBA team can rely on to run a team ... Struggles defensively getting around screens ... Can overshoot and rush into shots from time to time (vs. WV) ... Hasn't had to deal with getting benched due to poor performance (shooting) which has allowed him to shoot through any slumps. Will have to adjust to not being a volume shooter which could have an effect on his effectiveness ... Doesn’t like when defenses are too physical with him ... Not a great finisher around the basket due to his size and physical attributes ... Makes some silly mistakes at the PG position. Needs to add some muscles to his upper body, but appears as though he'll always be skinny ...

Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:30 pm
by twix2500
Bishop45 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
Oh this is bad, can we not do this?
What do you all consider or define as "first step"?

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First step off of a drive, step back, etc. to create separation. I don't know if there's 10 guys in the league with a first step as good as Curry's, que no significa de nada. An avoidable argument, I'll zip it

examples

Oh I'm not trying to argue, just wanted to know what everyone considers a first step. I don't think each person here have the same meaning. I wouldn't call a step back thou a first step. I classify that as a second step.

When I use to coach, I had up too 3 steps in initial moves. I also had what I called zero step. Your footwork when you receive the ball to set up your first step. Which also correlated up too three dribble moves as well.

But just asking for definition purposes so we all on the same page.

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:12 pm
by twix2500
By the way I got a cool story. Back in the early 90s, I was taught the James Harden step back along with the value of steps by a deaf player who was part of a deaf hooping league. He was an older guy and had some of the sickest handles. Tim Hardaway would come out and play him one on one for fun. Don't think I ever knew his real name. The kids had an obviously rude nickname for him. They called him Dah Dah. So that James Harden step back we refer it as the Dah Dah. And the first step you show the ball after a cross over between your legs, the second step you pulled the ball back behind your back on a step back to create space for a 3 point shot. Each step they would say Dah. Because that's the sound the deaf guy would make when he taught you the move. Dah Dah

I know it's mean, but a true story.

Might be the first story I have told here. Lol I known for telling a lot of stories. People make fun of it, calling me grandpa story time. Lol

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:16 pm
by DayofMourning
I can't stop watching video of Tyler Herro. I'm obsessed.

Re: 2019 NBA Draft 2.0 - I can be your Herro baby

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:22 pm
by DayofMourning
Must confess. I only watched him play for about ten minutes this season. Time constraints. Had to fit time in for LIttle and Hunter. I should've afforded him some time. Boy is legit.