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Oladipo is very risky because (in order of my concerns):
a) The jury's still out on whether he'll ever physically return to his pre-injury self (his 13 games this season aren't encouraging, but I get that he'll need some time to work off the rust)
b) On paper his 2018 season was an outlier; he was even regressing back to the mean the following season before getting injured. He was also established as IND's #1 lead alpha in '18 (30.1% usage, 17.9 FGA) and this wouldn't be the case down here. In MIA he'd have to adjust back to a smaller non-primacy role -- a role in which he's never thrived. So I have questions about his offensive portability in what would be a lowkey "big 3" alongside Jimmy and Bam. We'd essentially be relying on him to do something he's never done before
c) He effectively cancels any other whale moves and our flexibility in general. This is a contingent concern as it only comes into play if the previous two aren't extinguished. If Oladipo can perform in MIA as an impactful component of a greater whole then I'd be more than happy to get that rather than surrender all our eggs to a Giannis/AD basket (assuming this Dipo get wouldn't require more than minor pieces like Nunn/DJJ/KO/etc).
So for me it really comes down to weighing the risks of gambling on Dipo's health/portability/impact versus going all in on Giannis/AD. The former -- if it fails -- would spell disaster, the latter -- if it fails -- would still leave us with cap flexibility. I myself am currently torn, hopefully the resumed season can give us better info on Dipo
a) The jury's still out on whether he'll ever physically return to his pre-injury self (his 13 games this season aren't encouraging, but I get that he'll need some time to work off the rust)
b) On paper his 2018 season was an outlier; he was even regressing back to the mean the following season before getting injured. He was also established as IND's #1 lead alpha in '18 (30.1% usage, 17.9 FGA) and this wouldn't be the case down here. In MIA he'd have to adjust back to a smaller non-primacy role -- a role in which he's never thrived. So I have questions about his offensive portability in what would be a lowkey "big 3" alongside Jimmy and Bam. We'd essentially be relying on him to do something he's never done before
c) He effectively cancels any other whale moves and our flexibility in general. This is a contingent concern as it only comes into play if the previous two aren't extinguished. If Oladipo can perform in MIA as an impactful component of a greater whole then I'd be more than happy to get that rather than surrender all our eggs to a Giannis/AD basket (assuming this Dipo get wouldn't require more than minor pieces like Nunn/DJJ/KO/etc).
So for me it really comes down to weighing the risks of gambling on Dipo's health/portability/impact versus going all in on Giannis/AD. The former -- if it fails -- would spell disaster, the latter -- if it fails -- would still leave us with cap flexibility. I myself am currently torn, hopefully the resumed season can give us better info on Dipo
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Dipo is a no for me. Didn't stand out in Orlando. Had a good year in Indy. What else? Don't want to glorify a slightly above average player who put up numbers with increased opportunities. I'm not convinced at all.
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DayofMourning wrote:Dipo is a no for me. Didn't stand out in Orlando. Had a good year in Indy. What else? Don't want to glorify a slightly above average player who put up numbers with increased opportunities. I'm not convinced at all.
I have the same concerns but the case might be that Dipo is the most realistic option assuming we don't want to part with core pieces. Whether he'd fit with Jimmy/Bam is uncertain but my original cap flexibility concerns might not be as bad as I thought; just looked it up and Dipo is owed $21 mil in 2020-21 before expiring that offseason. If we could get him this offseason for some kind of Nunn/KO//DJJ/Leonard/etc package then I'd be willing to roll the dice with a one-year trial run next season. If he doesn't work out then we have the option to just take the cap room or try to sign-and-trade
If he does work out, then damn that's a pretty formidable "big 3" with high-level complimentary pieces. All we'd really be missing (outside of a top 5-10 megastar of course -- although if Jimmy is able repair his jumper then I think he has a case for top 10) is bigman depth. But with a glut of wing talent we'd have and the league-wide devaluation of bigs (and potential new amnesty?), finding a competent role playing PF/C or two wouldn't exactly be the most difficult need to address
A synergistic Jimmy/Bam/Dipo trio + DRob/Herro + some combination of Iggy/Goran/Crowder/DJJ/Silva/Okpala + a few new role pieces = legitimate title contention imo
Again though, as I mentioned in my previous post this only works if Dipo is able to essentially do something he's never done before
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The long decimal # is Beno's career Win Shares total
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Heat are hubbed in the same hotel as Milwaukee. Let the tampering begin.
Damn so are the Raptors lol. Coincidence? Conspiracy?
Damn so are the Raptors lol. Coincidence? Conspiracy?
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Wiltside wrote:Heat are hubbed in the same hotel as Milwaukee. Let the tampering begin.
Damn so are the Raptors lol. Coincidence? Conspiracy?
Apparently they sorted them based on seeding
Wonder if the top-tier teams got the best hotel lol
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BenoUdrihFTL wrote:Wiltside wrote:Heat are hubbed in the same hotel as Milwaukee. Let the tampering begin.
Damn so are the Raptors lol. Coincidence? Conspiracy?
Apparently they sorted them based on seeding
Wonder if the top-tier teams got the best hotel lol
I’m surprised no one is staying at the four seasons? Maybe the support staff.
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Wanted to see what everyone’s thoughts are on potential fallback options for 2021 free agency. Say Giannis resigns with the Bucks, Oladipo stays with Indiana, Washington keeps Beal and Jrue Holiday opts in with the Pelicans. I know total nightmare scenario. What options do the Heat look at? Derozan, trade for Levine or someone else? I personally don’t want to move Nunn, Robinson or Herro. I think they should be part of the future. I would look to sign someone at possible below market value without letting go of assets. Someone like Derozan who I believe is close to Butler. If you can surround him and Butler with shooters can work well. Especially with Bam looking to get paid earlier that more than likely reduces the amount of space we have for 2021 from around 50 million to closer to the one max salary range.
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ThaFranchize84 wrote:Wanted to see what everyone’s thoughts are on potential fallback options for 2021 free agency. Say Giannis resigns with the Bucks, Oladipo stays with Indiana, Washington keeps Beal and Jrue Holiday opts in with the Pelicans. I know total nightmare scenario. What options to the Heat look at? Derozan, trade for Levine or someone else? I personally don’t want to move Nunn, Robinson or Herro. I think they should be part of the future. I would look to sign someone without letting go of assets at below market value. Someone like Derozan who if you can surround him and Butler with shooters can work well. Especially with Bam looking to get paid earlier that more than likely reduces the amount of space we have for 2021 from around 50 million to closer to the one max salary range.
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Anthony Davis? He's my top fit for the team. If Lebron succumbs to age, then he might be willing to move on.
Kawhi has a player option. If he gets a ring, or the situation goes south, he's very attainable.
I like Steven Adams quite a bit. Great team guy. He'd be a fallback team building option if the contract is right.
If not, you've actually got a decent list of RFAs you could throw money at. Tatum, Fox, Lauri, Isaac, etc. Those guys are getting paid by their teams, but if the player wants to leave, the team could sign and trade.
I don't know Bamba's situation in Orlando very well, but he has not impressed from my POV. His team might not pick up the club option.
If none of that works, well....you wait till 2022.
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ThaFranchize84 wrote:Wanted to see what everyone’s thoughts are on potential fallback options for 2021 free agency. Say Giannis resigns with the Bucks, Oladipo stays with Indiana, Washington keeps Beal and Jrue Holiday opts in with the Pelicans. I know total nightmare scenario. What options do the Heat look at? Derozan, trade for Levine or someone else? I personally don’t want to move Nunn, Robinson or Herro. I think they should be part of the future. I would look to sign someone at possible below market value without letting go of assets. Someone like Derozan who I believe is close to Butler. If you can surround him and Butler with shooters can work well. Especially with Bam looking to get paid earlier that more than likely reduces the amount of space we have for 2021 from around 50 million to closer to the one max salary range.
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I know this probably isn't a popular notion but if Giannis/AD/Beal/Jrue/Dipo are unavailable, I would seriously consider a lowkey paradigm shift going all-in on 27yo UFA Rudy Gobert. I know "traditional" bigs aren't en vogue but I do believe we have the shooters to make it intriguing
F - Bam/DJJ
F - Drob/Iggy/Crowder
C - Gobert/KO?
G - Jimmy/Dragic
G - Herro/Nunn
For this to really work though Jimmy would have to recover from his outlier-ish terrible outside shooting this season. If he can bump his 3pt shooting back up to ~35%, along with reasonable progression from Bam outside, I believe we'd have the floor spacing to make the offense work and that defense would be scary. Tbh I've thought our interior D was a major area of need throughout this season, and the idea of either Gobert or Bam or both protecting the rim at all times is crazy. That ultra-elite interior D would hide so many of our perimeter D issues
I'll also say that I don't view Gobert as a "traditional" big offensively. No he doesn't have shooting range, but yes he can play the rim-running game at a very high (literally) level. Imagine defenders running at Herro/DRob/Jimmy (even Bam) only for our guy to pump-fake, attack the paint, then force the defense to either meet them or leave the lob open to Gobert. It's another dimension of offense that balanced with our outside shooters (again, assuming Butler can return to normalcy) could have a significant distorting effect on opposing defenses. One potential concern might be ball-handling but we'd essentially be swapping Nunn/Leonard in the SL for Herro/Gobert, which I don't think is much of a dropoff if any, and we could still have guys like Dragic/Iggy/Nunn to plug into rotations. Beno is also probably available as well to run some point god
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I completely overlooked Gobert. Not a perfect fit, unless Bam starts getting super rangy, but he's a guy you don't pass on due to fit, especially if you strike out elsewhere.
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DayofMourning wrote:I completely overlooked Gobert. Not a perfect fit, unless Bam starts getting super rangy, but he's a guy you don't pass on due to fit, especially if you strike out elsewhere.
I've managed to talk myself into prioritizing Gobert behind Giannis/AD, ahead of Beal and anyone else lol
The more I think about it the more I envision it as one of those status quo defying moves that we could make work, resulting in a huge matchup problem for the rest of the league. The DRob/Herro outside combo is already lethal enough to always present floor-stretching problems for opposing Ds regardless of the other 3 starters, so rather than get redundant with more wing offense, why not install an new inside dimension to truly force defenses into a legitimate choose-your-poison scenario? Bam's versatility as a playmaking/spacing big gives us a luxury very few teams have, and I think pairing him next to a Gobert only capitalizes on it
And the defense... Imagine being able to run DRob/Herro together HEAVY minutes without really having to worry about them getting destroyed on the other end... actually designing a defense based on funneling wings into the paint...
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Imagine a Jimmy/Gobert 2 man PNR game... or even changing the game with a bigman isolated Bam/Gobert PNR with our floor spacers?
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BenoUdrihFTL wrote:DayofMourning wrote:I completely overlooked Gobert. Not a perfect fit, unless Bam starts getting super rangy, but he's a guy you don't pass on due to fit, especially if you strike out elsewhere.
I've managed to talk myself into prioritizing Gobert behind Giannis/AD, ahead of Beal and anyone else lol
The more I think about it the more I envision it as one of those status quo defying moves that we could make work, resulting in a huge matchup problem for the rest of the league. The DRob/Herro outside combo is already lethal enough to always present floor-stretching problems for opposing Ds regardless of the other 3 starters, so rather than get redundant with more wing offense, why not install an new inside dimension to truly force defenses into a legitimate choose-your-poison scenario? Bam's versatility as a playmaking/spacing big gives us a luxury very few teams have, and I think pairing him next to a Gobert only capitalizes on it
And the defense... Imagine being able to run DRob/Herro together HEAVY minutes without really having to worry about them getting destroyed on the other end... actually designing a defense based on funneling wings into the paint...
The defensive support he'd give is pretty huge. DRob, Nunn, and Herro are not defensive stalwarts, so playing them together at one time is a disaster waiting to happen. However, if you have Gobert and Bam to defend, then things a little bit brighter.
Also, getting Bam any sort of defensive help is beyond necessary. He had no help last year down low.
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As of now, if Miami misses out on Beal/Giannis, I prefer adding Gobert over Oladipo & rolling with our young guards. Have to hope Herro & Bam take big leaps for Heat to truly contend for a title during Jimmys window
Oladipo’s recovery/playoff showing could change my mind but a Bam/Gobert frontcourt defense could be special nonetheless.
Oladipo’s recovery/playoff showing could change my mind but a Bam/Gobert frontcourt defense could be special nonetheless.