Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy

[oreon]

Embiid is great and all - but considering all factors ; Age, health, contract, asking price in a trade, playing style - I would be against trading for him. (and losing Bam + more pieces)

Bam is younger, with room to improve, healthier. And he's our guy in every conceivable way.

I'm really not sure we should trade any of our core guys right now.

If you knew for certain Embiid could stay healthy, you make that trade even if it costs Bam. Embiid + 3 shooters + Butler would be a contender. He's a matchup nightmare when he's at the post and has space to operate. But dude is worse than AD when it comes to injuries. He's always hurt.

[batterybro42]

Embiid is great and all - but considering all factors ; Age, health, contract, asking price in a trade, playing style - I would be against trading for him. (and losing Bam + more pieces)

Bam is younger, with room to improve, healthier. And he's our guy in every conceivable way.

I'm really not sure we should trade any of our core guys right now.

If you knew for certain Embiid could stay healthy, you make that trade even if it costs Bam. Embiid + 3 shooters + Butler would be a contender. He's a matchup nightmare when he's at the post and has space to operate. But dude is worse than AD when it comes to injuries. He's always hurt.

He is always hurt because he’s out of shape for what he should be. Philly allows that, Miami doesn’t. Players quietly desire this type of check and balance. It’s a reason Miami is starting to separate themselves as a contender.

[AirP.]

Embiid is great and all - but considering all factors ; Age, health, contract, asking price in a trade, playing style - I would be against trading for him. (and losing Bam + more pieces)

Bam is younger, with room to improve, healthier. And he's our guy in every conceivable way.

I'm really not sure we should trade any of our core guys right now.

Embiid is only 25, which is only 3 years older then Bam.

Embiid healthy is a dominant player on both sides of the court, he's an MVP level talent. You put him in Miami's culture and you'll have a better Embiid, especially when you toss in the coaching.

I like Bam but he's not an MVP level talent, possibly DPOTY talent but not MVP.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

How can the Heat keep Bam, Robinson, Nunn and Jones Jr. while offering a max contract to a player in 2021? Think you got to let Jones Jr. go.

[dean456]

To me it would be a mistake to trade for Embiid right now. At minimum it's going to cost us Olynyk, Bam, Herro and Robinson which is too much to lose for a talent like Embiid especially when you factor in how good the 76ers would still be with their current roster plus what we add to their squad.

Simmons/JRich
Robinson/Herro
T. Harris/Z. Smith
Bam/Thybulle
Horford/Olynyk

They would have this unit locked up for the foreseeable future or at the very least until 2021.

Can a team of Butler and Embiid and no shooting compete with that over the next few years? I question whether it could.

I think we are far better off sticking to our Giannis plan, Leaving Embiid to be frustrated in Philly until it gets closer to his impending free agency. To me right now Embiid's body and durability is a concern and isn't something worth gutting your team over. I'd feel more comfortable making this kind of decision closer to his free agency when he's 28yo and we've had a larger sample size of what he will be long term.

If we wait until 2022-23
- Jimmy will have his player option so he can help us facilitate a trade or have the money to add Embiid.
- Bam will be off his rookie scale contract so a more 1 for 1 trade can be facilitated.
- 76ers won't be able to demand a lot because of Embiid's remaining years on contract.
- We wouldn't be allowing the 76ers to have a loaded team now.
- It's a long shot but we could potentially wind up with Butler, Giannis, Embiid, Herro and Robinson on the same team if we play our cards right.

[dean456]

How can the Heat keep Bam, Robinson, Nunn and Jones Jr. while offering a max contract to a player in 2021? Think you got to let Jones Jr. go.

So we have given ourselves some really good flexibility with the trades we made with Memphis.

Basically it depends how we negotiate with free agents this summer and who we retain.
This summer our first order of business would be to renounce Leonard, Hill and convince Olynyk to opt out and renounce him as well.
We'd then try to convince Dragic to sign next season for the BAE because his cap hold destroys our flexibility so we'd either need to let him go or sign him low with a promise of one last long term contract next year.

So with Dragic signed we can offer someone like Gallinari or a big man for one season 24mil while also signing DJJr long term at the MLE $9.9Mil, then we can potentially sign Crowder over the cap for one season as well. They may decline but we could offer say Gallinari 24mil and Crowder 20mil for one season and they could get a bigger payout the year after because there's more teams with money willing to spend.

Next years squad could look like,

Nunn/Dragic
Butler/Herro
Robinson/Crowder/Iggy
Gallinari/DJJr/Okpala
Bam/Silva/2020FRP

Then once 2021 hits we can renounce Gallinari, Iggy and Crowder then sign Giannis for 37mil then re-sign Bam, Nunn and Robinson over the cap and the players we'd have under contract would be;

Nunn/Dragic
Butler/Herro
Robinson/DJJr
Giannis/Okpala
Bam/Silva/2020FRP

[Feel_the_Heat15]

We keep talking about Gallinari but what about Davis Bertans? The latter plays better defense and younger.

[greg4012]

We keep talking about Gallinari but what about Davis Bertans? The latter plays better defense and younger.

Does he play better defense?

[County of Wade]

Wizards could have gotten a lot for Bertans at the trade deadline. They turned it down which to me means they plan on doing everything they can to keep him this summer.

[County of Wade]

Looks like Meyers will be out for a while.

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[AirP.]

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[gom]

How can the Heat keep Bam, Robinson, Nunn and Jones Jr. while offering a max contract to a player in 2021? Think you got to let Jones Jr. go.

There is space for a 25% or 30% max if Jones is signed to a MLE.

Don’t take Iggy’s option for $15m.
Renounce Olynyk bird rights.
Take Herro’s option ($4,004,280) and maybe Silva's.
Butler (36,016,200)
Adebayo max (25%). Assuming $125m cap. $31.25m.

Team:

Bam ($31.25m), Butler ($36m), Herro ($4,004,280 TO), Okpala ($1,782,621), (Silva TO, $1,782,621)

Cap holds:

Nunn: cap hold: $2,122,822 (restricted bird)
Duncan: cap hold: $2,122,822 (restricted bird)
7 incomplete roster charges: (about $10.5m)

79m spent. 46m under cap before signing 7 players.

That's enough to sign a max player with room to spare.

25% of 125 = $31.25m (yes)
30% of 125 = $37.5m (yes)
35% of 125 = $44m (nope)

[J-House]

Could you imagine Zion in heat shape?

[eddieheatfan]

Wasn't Butler supposed to be 6'7" and Wade 6'3"?

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article240186332.html

[MartyConlonJr]

Wizards could have gotten a lot for Bertans at the trade deadline. They turned it down which to me means they plan on doing everything they can to keep him this summer.

Wow, hadn't thought of him. He is an unrestricted FA. We have the cap room to sign him outright. How is his D because him, Duncan Robinson and Herro on the same team would be incredible with Jimmy and Bam. If he got a 15-20 mill or whatever, I imagine we could still have max room too in FA 21?

[twix2500]

How far up can the heat move up by end of season?

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[JLop]

How can the Heat keep Bam, Robinson, Nunn and Jones Jr. while offering a max contract to a player in 2021? Think you got to let Jones Jr. go.

There is space for a 25% or 30% max if Jones is signed to a MLE.

Don’t take Iggy’s option for $15m.
Renounce Olynyk bird rights.
Take Herro’s option ($4,004,280) and maybe Silva's.
Butler (36,016,200)
Adebayo max (25%). Assuming $125m cap. $31.25m.

Team:

Bam ($31.25m), Butler ($36m), Herro ($4,004,280 TO), Okpala ($1,782,621), (Silva TO, $1,782,621)

Cap holds:

Nunn: cap hold: $2,122,822 (restricted bird)
Duncan: cap hold: $2,122,822 (restricted bird)
7 incomplete roster charges: (about $10.5m)

79m spent. 46m under cap before signing 7 players.

That's enough to sign a max player with room to spare.

25% of 125 = $31.25m (yes)
30% of 125 = $37.5m (yes)
35% of 125 = $44m (nope)

Bam has a cap hold of $12,788,730. We own his "Bird rights", we can go over the cap. There's no need to add his $31.25 million, only $12,788,730. Once we have signed the other players, we can go over the cap. As I've been saying all along, we can pursue a second player.



Also, here in this article, you will find information that seems very interesting.

And if Miami and Jones don’t agree on a multiyear deal this summer, Miami will have space to pursue a second player beyond a max star in 2021.

The NBA won’t inform owners of 2021-22 cap projections until April. But the cap for 2020-21 is expected to rise $6 million, to $115 million. So if there’s another $6 million jump, it would be $121 million for 2021-22.

Another variable: Though the Heat can exceed the cap to pay summer-of-2021 restricted free agents Kendrick Nunn and Duncan Robinson essentially whatever is needed that summer, their cap hits — regardless of what they’re paid — would depend on whether they meet “starter criteria.”

If Robinson and Nunn meet starter criteria, their 2021-22 cap hits would be $4.7 million each. Otherwise, their hits would be $2.1 million. Regardless of which number applies, Miami could sign outside free agents first, then go over the cap to match any offer for either Nunn or Robinson.

So here’s how the summer-of-2021 math works:

If Robinson and Nunn meet starter criteria, the projected 2021-22 money on the Heat’s books (without Iguodala) would be about $78 million, $5 million less if they don’t meet starter criteria.

So if Miami parts with Iguodala after next season, it would have anywhere from $44 million to $49 million in cap space that summer of 2021 if the cap is $121 million. That would be enough for Antetokounmpo (whose max deal could start in the $36 million range) and potentially Jones or someone else. And if the 2021-22 cap is $125 million, as some speculate, the Heat’s cap room could be as high as $54 million.

If the Heat declines the Iguodala option for 2021-22, Miami’s cap commitments for 2021-22 include Jimmy Butler ($36 million), Tyler Herro ($4 million), Bam Adebayo (eligible for restricted free agency that summer, but his cap hit in 2021-22 will be $12.8 million, regardless of what he’s paid), Nunn and Robinson, the $4 million or so due Miami’s 2020 first-round pick, $1.4 million for both KZ Okpala and Chris Silva (non-guaranteed), Ryan Anderson’s $5.2 million hit and about $4 million in cap holds to fill out a roster.

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[dean456]

How can the Heat keep Bam, Robinson, Nunn and Jones Jr. while offering a max contract to a player in 2021? Think you got to let Jones Jr. go.

There is space for a 25% or 30% max if Jones is signed to a MLE.

Don’t take Iggy’s option for $15m.
Renounce Olynyk bird rights.
Take Herro’s option ($4,004,280) and maybe Silva's.
Butler (36,016,200)
Adebayo max (25%). Assuming $125m cap. $31.25m.

Team:

Bam ($31.25m), Butler ($36m), Herro ($4,004,280 TO), Okpala ($1,782,621), (Silva TO, $1,782,621)

Cap holds:

Nunn: cap hold: $2,122,822 (restricted bird)
Duncan: cap hold: $2,122,822 (restricted bird)
7 incomplete roster charges: (about $10.5m)

79m spent. 46m under cap before signing 7 players.

That's enough to sign a max player with room to spare.

25% of 125 = $31.25m (yes)
30% of 125 = $37.5m (yes)
35% of 125 = $44m (nope)

Your missing DJJr's $10mil, our 2020 picks $2.3mil and we don't have to extend Bam this off season do we? That way his cap hold only counts for $15.3mil to our 2021 cap space.

Butler - $36mil
Bam - $15mil (cap hold)
DJJr - $10mil
Herro - $4mil
2020 pick - $2.3mil
Nunn - $2.1mil (cap hold)
Robinson - $2.1mil (cap hold)
Silva - $1.7mil
Okpala - $1.7mil
Ryan Anderson Stretch - $5.2mil
3x min roster charge - $3.1mil

Total without rounding numbers = $84,555,783
Salary cap = 125mil (roughly)
Cap space remaining = $40,444,262

[The Bunk]

You're insane if you wouldn't give up Bam for Embiid.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Achilles injury destroyed Nunn.