Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

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He's gonna bust

Dwyane Wade comparisons means you're athletic and can't shoot. It's a death sentence for prospects. Hell look what coach K comparing Justise to Wade did...

[dolphinatik]

I thought Wade was his comp before he said it. Loved his Klutch sports interview. I expected a thug type entitlement from him but the vibe I get is an energetic kid that is more eager than hungry. He easily is the #1 pick in my mind.

[RexBoyWonder]

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I actually never thought of him as a 2021-2022 option, He's going to be a restricted free agent and no way the Kings will let him go.

[RexBoyWonder]

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He's gonna bust

Dwyane Wade comparisons means you're athletic and can't shoot. It's a death sentence for prospects. Hell look what coach K comparing Justise to Wade did...

Self awareness is important for young player. It's also indicative of IQ and BB IQ.

Him saying he can be better then Wade tells me he's as clueless as can be, reality is going to hit him hard.

[3ballbomber]

He wants him some Heat

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[Bishop45]

I like Fox, but I wouldn't necessarily target him if our goal was a chip in the next few yrs tbh

He'll be expensive, but moreso for his potential than what he is now

[DayofMourning]

Here's an interesting thread from the T&T forum.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2012247

Would you trade space for Gary Harris? He's a very interesting player. At his best, he's a very nice addition.

His contract would run into the 2021 season, but I think its not large enough to stop the Giannis signing.

[RexBoyWonder]

Here's an interesting thread from the T&T forum.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2012247

Would you trade space for Gary Harris? He's a very interesting player. At his best, he's a very nice addition.

His contract would run into the 2021 season, but I think its not large enough to stop the Giannis signing.

No. How is he solving any of our issues? too much money for a guy that struggled for 2 years straight at a position we don't need.

I keep getting to the same bottom line - What do we have and what do we need?

Herro
Jimmy
Duncan
Bam

Those 4 IMO are locked in, They should be the starting 4 going forward. They fit each other, they fit the culture, they're ours.

So what is the 5'th piece those 4 need to make them a championship closing 5?

Two options :

It's either a great 2 way guard, to help Jimmy and Herro create on offense and help Herro and Duncan on defense.

Or, even more needed - Is a big that can consistently score against top defenses while adding much needed size, interior defense and moves the ball.

Basically what we need is either a Nunn upgrade if you want to go small Or a Crowder upgrade if you want to go big.

To me it's obvious - Get a great 2 way big next to Bam, and we're set. We'll have size, creating, shooting, defense, versatility. Ideally that big can shoot 3's, but if he's a great enough talent, it could work even if he doesn't shot much. (Bam and Jimmy would need to shoot more).

[puppa bear]

Here's an interesting thread from the T&T forum.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2012247

Would you trade space for Gary Harris? He's a very interesting player. At his best, he's a very nice addition.

His contract would run into the 2021 season, but I think its not large enough to stop the Giannis signing.

No. How is he solving any of our issues? too much money for a guy that struggled for 2 years straight at a position we don't need.

I keep getting to the same bottom line - What do we have and what do we need?

Herro
Jimmy
Duncan
Bam

Those 4 IMO are locked in, They should be the starting 4 going forward. They fit each other, they fit the culture, they're ours.

So what is the 5'th piece those 4 need to make them a championship closing 5?

Two options :

It's either a great 2 way guard, to help Jimmy and Herro create on offense and help Herro and Duncan on defense.

Or, even more needed - Is a big that can consistently score against top defenses while adding much needed size, interior defense and moves the ball.

Basically what we need is either a Nunn upgrade if you want to go small Or a Crowder upgrade if you want to go big.

To me it's obvious - Get a great 2 way big next to Bam, and we're set. We'll have size, creating, shooting, defense, versatility. Ideally that big can shoot 3's, but if he's a great enough talent, it could work even if he doesn't shot much. (Bam and Jimmy would need to shoot more).

And both of these options could be in front of us next offseason in FA. So we get to keep Nunn and other assets while adding that extra piece. Given that we can definitely keep Nunn going after that 2-way big should clearly be the #1 option.

If that fails then we add depth to the wing and permanently play smaller.

I’m 100% in the don’t make any changes that affect the 2021 plan camp, especially with the cap going down this offseason.

[RexBoyWonder]

Here's an interesting thread from the T&T forum.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2012247

Would you trade space for Gary Harris? He's a very interesting player. At his best, he's a very nice addition.

His contract would run into the 2021 season, but I think its not large enough to stop the Giannis signing.

No. How is he solving any of our issues? too much money for a guy that struggled for 2 years straight at a position we don't need.

I keep getting to the same bottom line - What do we have and what do we need?

Herro
Jimmy
Duncan
Bam

Those 4 IMO are locked in, They should be the starting 4 going forward. They fit each other, they fit the culture, they're ours.

So what is the 5'th piece those 4 need to make them a championship closing 5?

Two options :

It's either a great 2 way guard, to help Jimmy and Herro create on offense and help Herro and Duncan on defense.

Or, even more needed - Is a big that can consistently score against top defenses while adding much needed size, interior defense and moves the ball.

Basically what we need is either a Nunn upgrade if you want to go small Or a Crowder upgrade if you want to go big.

To me it's obvious - Get a great 2 way big next to Bam, and we're set. We'll have size, creating, shooting, defense, versatility. Ideally that big can shoot 3's, but if he's a great enough talent, it could work even if he doesn't shot much. (Bam and Jimmy would need to shoot more).

And both of these options could be in front of us next offseason in FA. So we get to keep Nunn and other assets while adding that extra piece. Given that we can definitely keep Nunn going after that 2-way big should clearly be the #1 option.

If that fails then we add depth to the wing and permanently play smaller.

I’m 100% in the don’t make any changes that affect the 2021 plan camp, especially with the cap going down this offseason.

I agree that the smart play is to ADD to this team, not trade parts of this team. We'll have the cap space in a year, and there will be Nunn upgrades and Crowder upgrades out there.

I just wished it was a better, deeper free agency class in 2021-2022.

Bigs to replace Croweder in the closing 5 :

Giannis
Kawhi ( CAn play PF next to Bam and Jimmy)

Guards that can replace Nunn in the closing 5 (Dragic is 6th man going forward) :

Old man Lowery
Jrue Holiday
Oladipo


So we have 2 huge upgrades in the bigs column, but how likely is it we get one of them?

Then we have 3 options in the Guards column, they seems realistic, but how great are these players really? how big of an upgrade are they compared to Nunn?

[3ballbomber]

And both of these options could be in front of us next offseason in FA. So we get to keep Nunn and other assets while adding that extra piece. Given that we can definitely keep Nunn going after that 2-way big should clearly be the #1 option.

I agree that the smart play is to ADD to this team, not trade parts of this team. We'll have the cap space in a year, and there will be Nunn upgrades and Crowder upgrades out there.

YUP! We have a team who were injured/wounded...yet 2 wins away frm a title. We already have the unit, we just need to add that final component to make us official contender.

Ideally we wait until 2021 so we don't lose especially Duncan & Herro. It's a shooters league - we currently have a top 4 3pt specialist & potential top 10 3pt shooter. While other teams are looking for shooters we already have our very own TWO (cheap to boot). We're a dangerous team going to battle w/ both surrounding Jimmy, Bam, Whale.

Trade away players like Crowder, Iggy, DJJ, Leonard, Olynyk & Nunn this offseason if need be....try to keep the key pieces intact for 21-22 season. We win a Championship w/ these cats in the unit:

Dragic
Duncan
Herro
Butler
Bam,

[radikalBaller]

What we need most is another big with lenght and lateral quickness to defend Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant. If we can shoot the 3 is a bonus but not a deal breaker...

Over 6-9, over 7ft wingspan, quick feet, 230-240, decent shooter and driver, good rebounder, steal and blocks...


How in your opinion we address this, who do you have in mind ?

[twix2500]

Here's an interesting thread from the T&T forum.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2012247

Would you trade space for Gary Harris? He's a very interesting player. At his best, he's a very nice addition.

His contract would run into the 2021 season, but I think its not large enough to stop the Giannis signing.

No. How is he solving any of our issues? too much money for a guy that struggled for 2 years straight at a position we don't need.

I keep getting to the same bottom line - What do we have and what do we need?

Herro
Jimmy
Duncan
Bam

Those 4 IMO are locked in, They should be the starting 4 going forward. They fit each other, they fit the culture, they're ours.

So what is the 5'th piece those 4 need to make them a championship closing 5?

Two options :

It's either a great 2 way guard, to help Jimmy and Herro create on offense and help Herro and Duncan on defense.

Or, even more needed - Is a big that can consistently score against top defenses while adding much needed size, interior defense and moves the ball.

Basically what we need is either a Nunn upgrade if you want to go small Or a Crowder upgrade if you want to go big.

To me it's obvious - Get a great 2 way big next to Bam, and we're set. We'll have size, creating, shooting, defense, versatility. Ideally that big can shoot 3's, but if he's a great enough talent, it could work even if he doesn't shot much. (Bam and Jimmy would need to shoot more).

I think it is vital to find a body guard for Bam to protect him from some of the wear and tear on his body. I think we take for granted his age and energy. Making Bam be your sole banger he gonna end up like Brian Grant physically. The Bulls added Pippen and Harper so MJ wouldn't have to take all the responsibility to defend. The same needs to be done for Bam. We want Bam to be more offensive aggressive then we need to allow him to have some energy preserved for that.

The Heat added Iggy and Crowder to relieve some of the defensive pressure off of Jimmy. The same needs to done for Bam. Can't go into the season again with Crowder as Bams low post help. At the very least get Aldridge.

If you want to continue experimenting with Herro and Nunn at point, that's fine but there definitely need for an established veteran help for Bam in the low post

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[DayofMourning]

No. How is he solving any of our issues? too much money for a guy that struggled for 2 years straight at a position we don't need.

What "position" does he play that we don't need? Dragics position? Nunn's position?Both of those spots are in flux. Dragic may not even be here. If healthy, Harris is a much better player than Nunn and only one year older.

I keep getting to the same bottom line - What do we have and what do we need?

Herro
Jimmy
Duncan
Bam

Those 4 IMO are locked in, They should be the starting 4 going forward. They fit each other, they fit the culture, they're ours.

So what is the 5'th piece those 4 need to make them a championship closing 5?

Two options :

It's either a great 2 way guard, to help Jimmy and Herro create on offense and help Herro and Duncan on defense. I'm a bit befuddled.
You think we need a two way guard? One who is good on defense? Harris a complete badass on defense. Hes also a high level shooter from distance.

Or, even more needed - Is a big that can consistently score against top defenses while adding much needed size, interior defense and moves the ball.

Basically what we need is either a Nunn upgrade if you want to go small Or a Crowder upgrade if you want to go big.
Harris is a major upgrade over Nunn.
To me it's obvious - Get a great 2 way big next to Bam, and we're set. We'll have size, creating, shooting, defense, versatility. Ideally that big can shoot 3's, but if he's a great enough talent, it could work even if he doesn't shot much. (Bam and Jimmy would need to shoot more).

Comments in red. I'm okay if the health issues of Harris concern you. Thats appropriate.

The thread I linked to was based on trading CAP SPACE for Harris to free up money for Denver. No players would be leaving. He'd be a free agent addition. If you have no faith in him staying healthy then thats fine but Harris fits a lot of qualities the Heat value.

[DayofMourning]

What we need most is another big with lenght and lateral quickness to defend Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant. If we can shoot the 3 is a bonus but not a deal breaker...

Over 6-9, over 7ft wingspan, quick feet, 230-240, decent shooter and driver, good rebounder, steal and blocks...


How in your opinion we address this, who do you have in mind ?

Nerlens Noel? How much is he going to cost?

[radikalBaller]

What we need most is another big with lenght and lateral quickness to defend Anthony Davis and Kevin Durant. If we can shoot the 3 is a bonus but not a deal breaker...

Over 6-9, over 7ft wingspan, quick feet, 230-240, decent shooter and driver, good rebounder, steal and blocks...


How in your opinion we address this, who do you have in mind ?

Nerlens Noel? How much is he going to cost?

Yep, would live noel to backup bam

[RexBoyWonder]

I keep getting to the same bottom line - What do we have and what do we need?

Herro
Jimmy
Duncan
Bam



So what is the 5'th piece those 4 need to make them a championship closing 5?

Two options :

It's either a great 2 way guard, to help Jimmy and Herro create on offense and help Herro and Duncan on defense. I'm a bit befuddled.
You think we need a two way guard? One who is good on defense? Harris a complete badass on defense. Hes also a high level shooter from distance.


Harris is a major upgrade over Nunn.

Is he really?

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Player           Season Age  G  FG%  3P  3P%  2P%  FT  FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PTS
Gary Harris     2019-20  25 56 .420 1.4 .333 .479 1.5 .815 3.3 2.4 1.5 0.3 1.2 11.8
Kendrick Nunn   2019-20  24 67 .439 2.5 .350 .505 1.6 .850 3.3 4.0 1.0 0.3 2.1 18.8


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Harris better defender, older with less expected growth considering expirence.

per 36, i hardly call him an upgrade, let alone a major one. not to mention the salaries.

[HeatIn5]

Gimmmmmmmmeeeeeeeee Fox!!!

[twix2500]

Gary Harris is one of those dudes I never notice on the court and I cant tell you what his game is?

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[DayofMourning]

I keep getting to the same bottom line - What do we have and what do we need?

Herro
Jimmy
Duncan
Bam



So what is the 5'th piece those 4 need to make them a championship closing 5?

Two options :

It's either a great 2 way guard, to help Jimmy and Herro create on offense and help Herro and Duncan on defense. I'm a bit befuddled.
You think we need a two way guard? One who is good on defense? Harris a complete badass on defense. Hes also a high level shooter from distance.


Harris is a major upgrade over Nunn.

Is he really?

Code: Select all

                                                                                   
Player           Season Age  G  FG%  3P  3P%  2P%  FT  FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PTS
Gary Harris     2019-20  25 56 .420 1.4 .333 .479 1.5 .815 3.3 2.4 1.5 0.3 1.2 11.8
Kendrick Nunn   2019-20  24 67 .439 2.5 .350 .505 1.6 .850 3.3 4.0 1.0 0.3 2.1 18.8


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Generated 11/1/2020.

Harris better defender, older with less expected growth considering expirence.

per 36, i hardly call him an upgrade, let alone a major one. not to mention the salaries.

He's recovering from injury. Take a look at his age 23/24 seasons and let me know what you think.