MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.2

[AirP.]

I don't see Justise coming back to Miami, it wasn't his fit skill wise, it was his mindset towards injuries that made Miami's FO sour on him and he's done nothing to change that mindset with his time in Memphis, warranted or not.

Richardson I could see Miami's FO wanting back.

[AirP.]

Not really news but a Mock Offseason podcast from Nate Duncan who's part of the RealGM. Wouldn't think it would happen but he may be hearing some chatter from reporters about Dinwiddie and Miami. This mock also seems to indicate Miami being an under the cap team which I hope isn't the route they take.

To me, it sounds like Miami's is really looking at all their options both big and small so they can have many different paths to take once someone is taken off the table. Maybe being swept after going to the finals, having Giannis sign the super max and with Riley's age has got him being proactive once again with making things happen on his terms.

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[Kobewade11]

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Go get paid Duncan, elsewhere

[DayofMourning]

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Go get paid Duncan, elsewhere

I'm on the trade board right now, and the idea of Robinson in a S&T to the Cavs was brought up. It would make sense for them, looking at their roster. Pretty good fit.

I like Robinson. Seems like a great guy, and his story is pretty awesome. I'd have trouble paying him cap cuffing money here though. If another team wants to pay him a solid contract, which I think will absolutely happen, then we have to move on.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

If Duncan turns out to be too expensive then just flip him in a S&T for a FRP that we could then package with something else for someone else since Duncan himself cannot be included in an outgoing Heat package. I'm sure there's a few win-now teams out there that would do it

[DayofMourning]

If Duncan turns out to be too expensive then just flip him in a S&T for a FRP that we could then package with something else for someone else since Duncan himself cannot be included in an outgoing Heat package. I'm sure there's a few win-now teams out there that would do it

Again, I think he'd look really good on Cleveland's roster. If Cleveland drafts Mobley, and resigns Allen, then they could definitely use some spacing. Okoro also helps hide some of Duncan's defensive issues.

Was looking at Duncan's advanced stats from last year, when we were a much better offensive team, and Duncan's offensive rating is sky high. It dipped this year, but we didn't have a great plan on offense and teams were aware of Duncan's offensive importance. He's got great potential to a team that can find a way to get him open in the regular flow of their offense, instead of trying to force feed him with a draped defender off of screens at the top of arc.

[Seabass777]

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

If Duncan turns out to be too expensive then just flip him in a S&T for a FRP that we could then package with something else for someone else since Duncan himself cannot be included in an outgoing Heat package. I'm sure there's a few win-now teams out there that would do it

Again, I think he'd look really good on Cleveland's roster. If Cleveland drafts Mobley, and resigns Allen, then they could definitely use some spacing. Okoro also helps hide some of Duncan's defensive issues.

Was looking at Duncan's advanced stats from last year, when we were a much better offensive team, and Duncan's offensive rating is sky high. It dipped this year, but we didn't have a great plan on offense and teams were aware of Duncan's offensive importance. He's got great potential to a team that can find a way to get him open in the regular flow of their offense, instead of trying to force feed him with a draped defender off of screens at the top of arc.

Ye the Cavs could certainly use a guy like DRob. I just wonder if that would rule out a Sexton trade since Duncan can't be packaged with anything else and I doubt CLE would do a simple Duncan for Sexton swap. I suppose there could be two separate trades between the two teams but I don't think I've ever seen that in my lifetime as an NBA fan lol

[DayofMourning]

Ye the Cavs could certainly use a guy like DRob. I just wonder if that would rule out a Sexton trade since Duncan can't be packaged with anything else and I doubt CLE would do a simple Duncan for Sexton swap. I suppose there could be two separate trades between the two teams but I don't think I've ever seen that in my lifetime as an NBA fan lol

Hard to say. If the trades are as meager as they've been rumored to be, then Cleveland could look at a Sexton swap for Duncan as pretty agreeable. How would the salaries work in that circumstance though? Let's say Duncan gets $20 million a year, do we have to match that in return? Or is current cap hold the value of the outgoing salary?

[HEATVols865]

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Ye the Cavs could certainly use a guy like DRob. I just wonder if that would rule out a Sexton trade since Duncan can't be packaged with anything else and I doubt CLE would do a simple Duncan for Sexton swap. I suppose there could be two separate trades between the two teams but I don't think I've ever seen that in my lifetime as an NBA fan lol

Hard to say. If the trades are as meager as they've been rumored to be, then Cleveland could look at a Sexton swap for Duncan as pretty agreeable. How would the salaries work in that circumstance though? Let's say Duncan gets $20 million a year, do we have to match that in return? Or is current cap hold the value of the outgoing salary?

I think I read that Duncan's outgoing salary would only be $4.7 to match, regardless of what he's actually re-signed for. That creates an issue with a Sexton trade because we wouldn't be able to take on Love (which I assume CLE would demand if they're moving Sexton for a lower-tier player)

[twix2500]

If Duncan turns out to be too expensive then just flip him in a S&T for a FRP that we could then package with something else for someone else since Duncan himself cannot be included in an outgoing Heat package. I'm sure there's a few win-now teams out there that would do it

Again, I think he'd look really good on Cleveland's roster. If Cleveland drafts Mobley, and resigns Allen, then they could definitely use some spacing. Okoro also helps hide some of Duncan's defensive issues.

Was looking at Duncan's advanced stats from last year, when we were a much better offensive team, and Duncan's offensive rating is sky high. It dipped this year, but we didn't have a great plan on offense and teams were aware of Duncan's offensive importance. He's got great potential to a team that can find a way to get him open in the regular flow of their offense, instead of trying to force feed him with a draped defender off of screens at the top of arc.

The point in getting Lowry is to help players like Robinson and Herro get open looks. That is the point of getting a point. Samething with Ball. Losing Robinson and/or Herro makes it a less need.

If we aquire Sexton there is a less need for a traditional point. Because Sexton creates for himself. Heat would need a big defensive shooting point like Chalmers was for Wade and Lebron. Butler and Sexton will take up all of the top of the key pick n pop opportunities. The point will be standing in the corner much of the time.

At the end of the day Robinson is needed because the Heat have stars who need his spacing.

And I see some try insinuate 2 to 3% difference in 3 pt shooting is not a big difference. Yes it is. It is a huge difference.

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[DayofMourning]

I think I read that Duncan's outgoing salary would only be $4.7 to match, regardless of what he's actually re-signed for. That creates an issue with a Sexton trade because we wouldn't be able to take on Love (which I assume CLE would demand if they're moving Sexton for a lower-tier player)

Gotcha. That's definitely where perception of value can be hard to define. In a vacuum, I'd take Sexton over Duncan, but for their acute roster building, Robinson makes a ton of sense, especially if they draft Mobley.

[HEATVols865]

Oh and yes to J-Rich! He’s Heat Culture through and through.

But in all honesty, we need a new coach


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[DayofMourning]

The point in getting Lowry is to help players like Robinson and Herro get open looks. That is the point of getting a point. Samething with Ball. Losing Robinson and/or Herro makes it a less need.

If we aquire Sexton there is a less need for a traditional point. Because Sexton creates for himself. Heat would need a big defensive shooting point like Chalmers was for Wade and Lebron. Butler and Sexton will take up all of the top of the key pick n pop opportunities. The point will be standing in the corner much of the time.

At the end of the day Robinson is needed because the Heat have stars who need his spacing.

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Well, Lowry is the point you're trying to make, not mine. I wasn't addressing Lowry here. Don't have much GAF about him right now tbh. I realize his value, but prior to the upcoming season, I don't want to pay him a bunch of money. And then pay Duncan a bunch of money, too? That's a road to nowhere. If the Nets get healthy, and add all the ring riders, then we're outclassed.

Sexton at least gives hope of a future. Sure, he'll get paid soon enough, but I'd feel better giving it to him with a career left, than Lowry.

Back to Duncan, is he not replaceable? I mean, I know what he's done is historic, with the volume of three pointers made at the start of his career, but can't you find shooters? If I'm looking to pay anyone, it's a dynamic lead guy, or an all around type talent. You strap your cap on Duncan, and your limiting yourself. I'd rather save that money for someone else, and find a guy in the draft and convince him to hoist 8 threes a game, and tell him he's the best shooter on the planet. If I feel confident that I can find one thing, it's a shooter.

[HeatIn5]

Duncan’s not going to Cleveland.

Remember, we’re not negotiating a trade. We’re negotiating with the specific team that Duncan signs with. Knowing Duncan, look at potential contenders he can make a difference with - New York, Memphis, New Orleans, San Antonio are the top 4 most likely for me

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“I like that idea,” said Terry Pluto of Cleveland.com when asked about the possibility of the Cavaliers keeping Sexton. “I’ve heard the Cavs have been trying to pair him with Kevin Love ($60 million over two years) or Taurean Prince ($15 million in 2021-22) to get something decent in return.

[-The Coach-]

Justise and Beasley are perfect compliments to each other. Tell me I’m wrong.

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or tell me I’m insane IDGAF

Indeed they both suck + offer false hope at opposite things.

[Kobewade11]

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Nothing. Light hearted banter because Bam did not give KD his change.

[RexBoyWonder]

Ye the Cavs could certainly use a guy like DRob. I just wonder if that would rule out a Sexton trade since Duncan can't be packaged with anything else and I doubt CLE would do a simple Duncan for Sexton swap. I suppose there could be two separate trades between the two teams but I don't think I've ever seen that in my lifetime as an NBA fan lol

Hard to say. If the trades are as meager as they've been rumored to be, then Cleveland could look at a Sexton swap for Duncan as pretty agreeable. How would the salaries work in that circumstance though? Let's say Duncan gets $20 million a year, do we have to match that in return? Or is current cap hold the value of the outgoing salary?

I think I read that Duncan's outgoing salary would only be $4.7 to match, regardless of what he's actually re-signed for. That creates an issue with a Sexton trade because we wouldn't be able to take on Love (which I assume CLE would demand if they're moving Sexton for a lower-tier player)

If Duncan get more then a 20% salary increase, which he will - he'll only count as half his new deal in a sign in trade.

Basically he'd count as 8-11 Mil$ in outgoing salary.