Heat chemistry issues. Failure incoming?

[harlem_ball]

Heat are looking like trash right now after peaking around midseason. What changed? Let's see:

Oladipo and Morris have returned: this bumps out time and rhythm for two players especially: Caleb Martin and Gabe Vincent. These are players overachieving in Spo's system this season.

Small ball energy drainage factor: Due to the extended effort needed to compete due to small ball and aggressive switching, the team looks deadlegged and defensively porous. Even with all world defenders in Butler and Bam in the lineup, if they are mismatched they won't be a factor. Older guys like Tucker and Lowry look inconsistent and are trending down.

Loss of a big man presence: Heat went more traditional when Bam and Deadman were out and looked good doing it. The young Turk Yurtseven had a record breaking rebounding tear. That is now a distant memory.

Oladipo isn't the player he was: Dipo has been out an extended time and he looks like he's going to need much more time before he returns to the level he was at pre-injury.

Shooting woes: Heat need consistent 3 point shooting. Aside from Herro, things are ok but inconsistent. Vincent, Oladipo, Morris and Struss need to be dependable from 3 as well as Martin. Duncan must return to elite form.

[puppa bear]

I have a sense that Morris is the e piece that doesn’t fit, chemistry wise. It wouldn’t shock me to hear that the FO were trying hard to deal Duncan/Morris at the deadline to fix issues.

[eddieheatfan]

I have a sense that Morris is the e piece that doesn’t fit, chemistry wise. It wouldn’t shock me to hear that the FO were trying hard to deal Duncan/Morris at the deadline to fix issues.

to me the one that doesnt fit is dipo , there might be some discord within the team because some may perceive that vincent has been done wrong with his benching for a guy that wasnt playing any games until a few games ago.

[harlem_ball]

Maybe bench Morris and Dipo until the team gets back to normal. The chemistry experiment failed. Or just keep playing through the failure. Not sure.

[somerandomdude]

I have a sense that Morris is the e piece that doesn’t fit, chemistry wise. It wouldn’t shock me to hear that the FO were trying hard to deal Duncan/Morris at the deadline to fix issues.

Him and Dipo. They just came in too late into the season and we were playing fine without either of them. Then we injected them into the rotation around the same time and had a few good games before everything turned to crap.

But tonight's loss wasn't on Keef or Dipo.

[puppa bear]

Agreed with the two posters above that Dipo’s introduction may also be a factor. I see there might be some sense of unearned time, and it taking away from those who earned it. But I’m the long run I see Dipo sticking with the team and being a valuable bench piece. It’s Morris I think will be on the out, and possibly with others.

[harlem_ball]

Agreed with the two posters above that Dipo’s introduction may also be a factor. I see there might be some sense of unearned time, and it taking away from those who earned it. But I’m the long run I see Dipo sticking with the team and being a valuable bench piece. It’s Morris I think will be on the out, and possibly with others.

Thank you, detective. We will take it from here.

The final stage is at hand.

[puppa bear]

Agreed with the two posters above that Dipo’s introduction may also be a factor. I see there might be some sense of unearned time, and it taking away from those who earned it. But I’m the long run I see Dipo sticking with the team and being a valuable bench piece. It’s Morris I think will be on the out, and possibly with others.

Thank you, detective. We will take it from here.

The final stage is at hand.

Not sure how to interpret this, so I’ll just put both these here & hope one is the appropriate response

[contract]

Heat are looking like trash right now ...

Spoiler:

after peaking around midseason. What changed? Let's see:

Oladipo and Morris have returned: this bumps out time and rhythm for two players especially: Caleb Martin and Gabe Vincent. These are players overachieving in Spo's system this season.

Small ball energy drainage factor: Due to the extended effort needed to compete due to small ball and aggressive switching, the team looks deadlegged and defensively porous. Even with all world defenders in Butler and Bam in the lineup, if they are mismatched they won't be a factor. Older guys like Tucker and Lowry look inconsistent and are trending down.

Loss of a big man presence: Heat went more traditional when Bam and Deadman were out and looked good doing it. The young Turk Yurtseven had a record breaking rebounding tear. That is now a distant memory.

Oladipo isn't the player he was: Dipo has been out an extended time and he looks like he's going to need much more time before he returns to the level he was at pre-injury.

Shooting woes: Heat need consistent 3 point shooting. Aside from Herro, things are ok but inconsistent. Vincent, Oladipo, Morris and Struss need to be dependable from 3 as well as Martin. Duncan must return to elite form.

We went all in and it blew up in our face. Unfortunately Butler, Lowry, and Robinson have negative trade value due to their contracts. I don't see how this gets fixed for at least 2 years.

[harlem_ball]

Agreed with the two posters above that Dipo’s introduction may also be a factor. I see there might be some sense of unearned time, and it taking away from those who earned it. But I’m the long run I see Dipo sticking with the team and being a valuable bench piece. It’s Morris I think will be on the out, and possibly with others.

Thank you, detective. We will take it from here.

The final stage is at hand.

Not sure how to interpret this, so I’ll just put both these here & hope one is the appropriate response

[puppa bear]

Thank you, detective. We will take it from here.

The final stage is at hand.

Not sure how to interpret this, so I’ll just put both these here & hope one is the appropriate response

I wasn’t sure if you were being sarcastic & dismissive (the normal for a statement like that in Australia) or complementary. So I just added both types of responses.

I agree with big chunks of your OP. But I do think the fatigue and small ball sections are over-blown. Players have had breaks, so the fatigue thing shouldn’t be that big an issue. Plus the playing playing like arse aren’t all the ones who haven’t had breaks.

Also, the FO knows Spo and his philosophy, so they’ve gone about building for that. Up until the implosion it looked liked they’d done a great job.

Perhaps Dipo’s “I wanna be in Miami” shtick rubs players the wrong way - we’ve all worked alongside people that look like great employees from above, but just annoy the **** out of all their coworkers. So, maybe that’s an unseen chemistry issue

[harlem_ball]

Not sure how to interpret this, so I’ll just put both these here & hope one is the appropriate response

I wasn’t sure if you were being sarcastic & dismissive (the normal for a statement like that in Australia) or complementary. So I just added both types of responses.

I agree with big chunks of your OP. But I do think the fatigue and small ball sections are over-blown. Players have had breaks, so the fatigue thing shouldn’t be that big an issue. Plus the playing playing like arse aren’t all the ones who haven’t had breaks.

Also, the FO knows Spo and his philosophy, so they’ve gone about building for that. Up until the implosion it looked liked they’d done a great job.

Perhaps Dipo’s “I wanna be in Miami” shtick rubs players the wrong way - we’ve all worked alongside people that look like great employees from above, but just annoy the **** out of all their coworkers. So, maybe that’s an unseen chemistry issue

Big watchmen fan here. You've done your duty, Rorschach.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This team has tucked its tail at the wrong time. Too late to right the ship imo. We’ll underperform with a 1st or 2nd round exit and Riley will make a major move this offseason. Involving a combo of the following with picks, Herro, Lowry, Duncan, PJ

[puppa bear]

I wasn’t sure if you were being sarcastic & dismissive (the normal for a statement like that in Australia) or complementary. So I just added both types of responses.

I agree with big chunks of your OP. But I do think the fatigue and small ball sections are over-blown. Players have had breaks, so the fatigue thing shouldn’t be that big an issue. Plus the playing playing like arse aren’t all the ones who haven’t had breaks.

Also, the FO knows Spo and his philosophy, so they’ve gone about building for that. Up until the implosion it looked liked they’d done a great job.

Perhaps Dipo’s “I wanna be in Miami” shtick rubs players the wrong way - we’ve all worked alongside people that look like great employees from above, but just annoy the **** out of all their coworkers. So, maybe that’s an unseen chemistry issue

Big watchmen fan here. You've done your duty, Rorschach.

[puppa bear]

This team has tucked its tail at the wrong time. Too late to right the ship imo. We’ll underperform with a 1st or 2nd round exit and Riley will make a major move this offseason. Involving a combo of the following with picks, Herro, Lowry, Duncan, PJ

You reckon Pat cashes in Herros future and banks on Jimmy? Pat has been in love Herro since day and 1 & Spo is using him like did old Wade (to a degree).

If moves are made, I think it will be to start the Herro/Bam window. Something like using the established vet stars to target Ingram/Fox/stretch 4 and build an explosive & versatile starting unit.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This team has tucked its tail at the wrong time. Too late to right the ship imo. We’ll underperform with a 1st or 2nd round exit and Riley will make a major move this offseason. Involving a combo of the following with picks, Herro, Lowry, Duncan, PJ

You reckon Pat cashes in Herros future and banks on Jimmy? Pat has been in love Herro since day and 1 & Spo is using him like did old Wade (to a degree).

If moves are made, I think it will be to start the Herro/Bam window. Something like using the established vet stars to target Ingram/Fox/stretch 4 and build an explosive & versatile starting unit.

Although Jimmy is my favorite player I also wouldn’t mind seeing that. This team needs to pick a direction this summer though. Do we try and win one for Jimmy like we promised when he came or do we just retool with elite young talent. If we did end up deciding to move Jimmy I’d go all in for Donovan Mitchell and look for a 3rd young star like an Ingram or something using Herro. Herro and Mitchell would overlap to much. That’s just me though.

[3ballbomber]

This team has tucked its tail at the wrong time. Too late to right the ship imo. We’ll underperform with a 1st or 2nd round exit and Riley will make a major move this offseason. Involving a combo of the following with picks, Herro, Lowry, Duncan, PJ

[puppa bear]

This team has tucked its tail at the wrong time. Too late to right the ship imo. We’ll underperform with a 1st or 2nd round exit and Riley will make a major move this offseason. Involving a combo of the following with picks, Herro, Lowry, Duncan, PJ

You reckon Pat cashes in Herros future and banks on Jimmy? Pat has been in love Herro since day and 1 & Spo is using him like did old Wade (to a degree).

If moves are made, I think it will be to start the Herro/Bam window. Something like using the established vet stars to target Ingram/Fox/stretch 4 and build an explosive & versatile starting unit.

Although Jimmy is my favorite player I also wouldn’t mind seeing that. This team needs to pick a direction this summer though. Do we try and win one for Jimmy like we promised when he came or do we just retool with elite young talent. If we did end up deciding to move Jimmy I’d go all in for Donovan Mitchell and look for a 3rd young star like an Ingram or something using Herro. Herro and Mitchell would overlap to much. That’s just me though.

I agree with picking a direction. Trying to straddle the present and future is preventing the team from going fully into win-now mode. But then we’re not building for the future - our offseason of swapping PA for Lowry shows that.

Very few teams successfully straddle both sides of the fence, while many fail to either properly. It will be a pity to see Herro go, but if it’s part of a strong win-now commitment then I’m all for it.

[NYG]

As a Knicks fan, I come in peace, but I did see some discussion regarding Butler and figured I would ask here. If Thibs wanted to reunite with Butler, could the Knicks pull it off without Barrett? We would likely give you enough picks to get a 3rd or 4th team's more established player.

[TroubleS0me]

As a Knicks fan, I come in peace, but I did see some discussion regarding Butler and figured I would ask here. If Thibs wanted to reunite with Butler, could the Knicks pull it off without Barrett? We would likely give you enough picks to get a 3rd or 4th team's more established player.

nah we gonna need Barrett in the trade lol
or
Obi Toppin & Robinson