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puppa bear wrote:I have a sense that Morris is the e piece that doesn’t fit, chemistry wise. It wouldn’t shock me to hear that the FO were trying hard to deal Duncan/Morris at the deadline to fix issues.

puppa bear wrote:I have a sense that Morris is the e piece that doesn’t fit, chemistry wise. It wouldn’t shock me to hear that the FO were trying hard to deal Duncan/Morris at the deadline to fix issues.

puppa bear wrote:Agreed with the two posters above that Dipo’s introduction may also be a factor. I see there might be some sense of unearned time, and it taking away from those who earned it. But I’m the long run I see Dipo sticking with the team and being a valuable bench piece. It’s Morris I think will be on the out, and possibly with others.

harlem_ball wrote:

puppa bear wrote:Agreed with the two posters above that Dipo’s introduction may also be a factor. I see there might be some sense of unearned time, and it taking away from those who earned it. But I’m the long run I see Dipo sticking with the team and being a valuable bench piece. It’s Morris I think will be on the out, and possibly with others.

Thank you, detective. We will take it from here.

The final stage is at hand.

harlem_ball wrote:Heat are looking like trash right now ...

Spoiler:

after peaking around midseason. What changed? Let's see:

Oladipo and Morris have returned: this bumps out time and rhythm for two players especially: Caleb Martin and Gabe Vincent. These are players overachieving in Spo's system this season.

Small ball energy drainage factor: Due to the extended effort needed to compete due to small ball and aggressive switching, the team looks deadlegged and defensively porous. Even with all world defenders in Butler and Bam in the lineup, if they are mismatched they won't be a factor. Older guys like Tucker and Lowry look inconsistent and are trending down.

Loss of a big man presence: Heat went more traditional when Bam and Deadman were out and looked good doing it. The young Turk Yurtseven had a record breaking rebounding tear. That is now a distant memory.

Oladipo isn't the player he was: Dipo has been out an extended time and he looks like he's going to need much more time before he returns to the level he was at pre-injury.

Shooting woes: Heat need consistent 3 point shooting. Aside from Herro, things are ok but inconsistent. Vincent, Oladipo, Morris and Struss need to be dependable from 3 as well as Martin. Duncan must return to elite form.

puppa bear wrote:

harlem_ball wrote:

puppa bear wrote:Agreed with the two posters above that Dipo’s introduction may also be a factor. I see there might be some sense of unearned time, and it taking away from those who earned it. But I’m the long run I see Dipo sticking with the team and being a valuable bench piece. It’s Morris I think will be on the out, and possibly with others.

Thank you, detective. We will take it from here.

The final stage is at hand.

Not sure how to interpret this, so I’ll just put both these here & hope one is the appropriate response

harlem_ball wrote:

puppa bear wrote:

harlem_ball wrote:
Thank you, detective. We will take it from here.

The final stage is at hand.

Not sure how to interpret this, so I’ll just put both these here & hope one is the appropriate response

puppa bear wrote:

harlem_ball wrote:

puppa bear wrote:Not sure how to interpret this, so I’ll just put both these here & hope one is the appropriate response

I wasn’t sure if you were being sarcastic & dismissive (the normal for a statement like that in Australia) or complementary. So I just added both types of responses.

I agree with big chunks of your OP. But I do think the fatigue and small ball sections are over-blown. Players have had breaks, so the fatigue thing shouldn’t be that big an issue. Plus the playing playing like arse aren’t all the ones who haven’t had breaks.

Also, the FO knows Spo and his philosophy, so they’ve gone about building for that. Up until the implosion it looked liked they’d done a great job.

Perhaps Dipo’s “I wanna be in Miami” shtick rubs players the wrong way - we’ve all worked alongside people that look like great employees from above, but just annoy the **** out of all their coworkers. So, maybe that’s an unseen chemistry issue

harlem_ball wrote:

puppa bear wrote:

harlem_ball wrote:

I wasn’t sure if you were being sarcastic & dismissive (the normal for a statement like that in Australia) or complementary. So I just added both types of responses.

I agree with big chunks of your OP. But I do think the fatigue and small ball sections are over-blown. Players have had breaks, so the fatigue thing shouldn’t be that big an issue. Plus the playing playing like arse aren’t all the ones who haven’t had breaks.

Also, the FO knows Spo and his philosophy, so they’ve gone about building for that. Up until the implosion it looked liked they’d done a great job.

Perhaps Dipo’s “I wanna be in Miami” shtick rubs players the wrong way - we’ve all worked alongside people that look like great employees from above, but just annoy the **** out of all their coworkers. So, maybe that’s an unseen chemistry issue

Big watchmen fan here. You've done your duty, Rorschach.

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:This team has tucked its tail at the wrong time. Too late to right the ship imo. We’ll underperform with a 1st or 2nd round exit and Riley will make a major move this offseason. Involving a combo of the following with picks, Herro, Lowry, Duncan, PJ

puppa bear wrote:

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:This team has tucked its tail at the wrong time. Too late to right the ship imo. We’ll underperform with a 1st or 2nd round exit and Riley will make a major move this offseason. Involving a combo of the following with picks, Herro, Lowry, Duncan, PJ

You reckon Pat cashes in Herros future and banks on Jimmy? Pat has been in love Herro since day and 1 & Spo is using him like did old Wade (to a degree).

If moves are made, I think it will be to start the Herro/Bam window. Something like using the established vet stars to target Ingram/Fox/stretch 4 and build an explosive & versatile starting unit.

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:This team has tucked its tail at the wrong time. Too late to right the ship imo. We’ll underperform with a 1st or 2nd round exit and Riley will make a major move this offseason. Involving a combo of the following with picks, Herro, Lowry, Duncan, PJ

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:

puppa bear wrote:

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:This team has tucked its tail at the wrong time. Too late to right the ship imo. We’ll underperform with a 1st or 2nd round exit and Riley will make a major move this offseason. Involving a combo of the following with picks, Herro, Lowry, Duncan, PJ

You reckon Pat cashes in Herros future and banks on Jimmy? Pat has been in love Herro since day and 1 & Spo is using him like did old Wade (to a degree).

If moves are made, I think it will be to start the Herro/Bam window. Something like using the established vet stars to target Ingram/Fox/stretch 4 and build an explosive & versatile starting unit.

Although Jimmy is my favorite player I also wouldn’t mind seeing that. This team needs to pick a direction this summer though. Do we try and win one for Jimmy like we promised when he came or do we just retool with elite young talent. If we did end up deciding to move Jimmy I’d go all in for Donovan Mitchell and look for a 3rd young star like an Ingram or something using Herro. Herro and Mitchell would overlap to much. That’s just me though.

NYG wrote:As a Knicks fan, I come in peace, but I did see some discussion regarding Butler and figured I would ask here. If Thibs wanted to reunite with Butler, could the Knicks pull it off without Barrett? We would likely give you enough picks to get a 3rd or 4th team's more established player.